For the 700 DUers banned from the Hillary Group, comment here on questionable post on Bernie...

[Human101948]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by mcar (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Moment of Truth: The Decision that Derailed Bernie’s Campaign

Bernie Sanders has done many things right in this race — and one thing very wrong. It is the wrong decision that I believe partially accounts for his poor showing on March 15th.

Let’s start with what’s right about Bernie’s message: he is a passionate purveyor of core progressive principles who has activated and energized millions of young voters. He speaks with conviction about crucial issues and he has helped bring those issues to the fore in 2016.

Here’s what’s wrong, terribly wrong: He caved to the pressure from his campaign manager Jeff Weaver and top aide Tad Devine to ride the ever-present wave of Hillary hate and to go after her character, impugning her honesty and insinuating that she is untrustworthy.

As I’ve argued, Bernie’s Wall Street dog whistle is a barely concealed attempt to accuse Hillary Clinton of corruption, despite the fact that he lacks a scintilla of evidence to support that claim. No matter how lofty and inspiring his message, it is deeply unjust – and frankly, reckless – to run a campaign premised on the destruction of Hillary’s character through false innuendo. Especially when Democrats are facing a dangerous opponent like Donald Trump in a general election.

http://bluenationreview.com/decision-that-derailed-bernies-campaign/

[BainsBane]

1. Well, I can't say whether he caved in

Or whether it was his own initiative since I have no knowledge of the internal workings of his campaign.

(Oops, I realize know you were asking the people banned from the HRC group, not it's members. But then you did post this in GD-P rather than the Bernie group).

[Human101948]

3. I would say he was absolutely correct that Wall Street funding is a corrupt influence...

Are you claiming that it is not?

[bettyellen]

4. I blame House of Cards for all this evil CT stuff.

I feel like fact and fiction got blurry for many right out of the gate.

[Skwmom]

2. He should disclose more facts. People have the right to know and make an informed decision.

[arcane1]

5. The author: "Peter Daou is a former adviser to Hillary Clinton"

http://bluenationreview.com/author/peter-daou/

Of course he's going to claim she isn't corrupt. He's paid for it.

[morningfog]

6. Blue nation review is a shit rag from rat fucker David Brock. Not worthy of response.

[EndElectoral]

7. Exit polling reveals voters do consider her untrustworthy. They voted for her anyway.

[GreatGazoo]

8. the campaign is not derailed

he did very well in states that Clinton was supposed to crush him in.

It wasn't a "mistake" when Obama did it with "Change we can believe in"

The only way for Obama to win this argument about change was for him to raise the character issue, which he had tiptoed around until that point in the campaign. Benenson’s polling showed that voters wanted a President “who can unite the country and restore our sense of common purpose,” “stand up to lobbyists,” and “who doesn’t just tell people what they want to hear.” The strategists, addressing Obama, wrote that these qualities “are the ones on which YOU scores high and Hillary, low.” They concluded, “Barack Obama is change. She is not.”

The next section was headlined, “The Fault Line: Hillary’s the Problem, Not the Answer,” and the strategists laid out the case against Clinton in stark terms, explaining that everything in Obama’s campaign, including his slogan—“Change you can believe in”—was meant to provide a contrast with Hillary, not on policy, but on character:

“Change you can believe in” was intended to frame the argument along the character fault line, and this is where we can and must win this fight. We cannot let Clinton especially blur the lines on who is the genuine agent of change in this election.

• The reason Clinton can’t be trusted or believed when it comes to change is that she represents, to a great degree, the three sources of discontent formulated in our premise.
• She’s driven by political calculation not conviction, regularly backing away and shifting positions on issues ranging from war, to Social Security, to trade, to reform.
• She embodies trench warfare vs. Republicans, and is consumed with beating them rather than unifying the country and building consensus to get things done.
• She prides herself on working the system, not changing it—rebuffing reforms on everything from lobbyist donations to budget earmarks.

The memo went on to criticize Clinton as “a prescription for more of the same, meaning that our shared goals will once again be frustrated by Washington’s failed politics,” and it included a grid—“The Basic Messaging Framework”—to highlight the differences that Obama needed to emphasize:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-to-beat-hillary-clinton

[NCTraveler]

9. I was banned from the Sanders Group minutes after I made this op.

My only post in the group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

META

I don't understand this passion about who is blocked from where. It's completely insignificant and petty. I get why smokey n nj banned me.

[Human101948]

15. Unfortunate...

But I believe that the censored DUers are twice as many in the Hillary Group.

[pinebox]

10. David Brock article?

LOL
Hillary's character is very much in question.
6 different lies last week alone.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/13/1500556/-1-Week-6-Hillary-Clinton-Lies

[Kall]

11. Why waste my time with David Brock's Blue Nation Review?

Anyone stupid enough to believe that Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy following her weeks-long Bosnian sniper fire invention, Nancy Reagan's deification about her HIV/AIDS work, and Republican talking points running down single-payer health care deserves what they get.

[winter is coming]

12. bluenationreview is a propaganda website.

Maybe you take it seriously, but I don't.

[agracie]

13. Oh my... Where to begin ? Give me strength. Anything I have to say has been said thousands of ...

times. Bernie is a good, honest candidate. Let's let everyone vote, and then we'll see what shakes out.

[riderinthestorm]

14. Bernie's still telling the truth about her character and her lies

Hes a truth teller.

She's a liar.

Easy.

[Maedhros]

16. Bernie is running a "campaign of hate?"

Anyone who thinks that is the case is:

A: Incredibly stupid.
B: Lying.
C: An asshole.
D: All of the above.

[djean111]

17. bwahahahaha!

Also - what a pile of ordure. There. I was polite.