2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Knockout Blow Bernie Refuses to Deliver:
From Huffington Post:
Though Sanders' voters .......equally tired of the global trade deals that benefit multinational corporations at the expense of American workers.
Rust Belt union members, in particular, have been economically decimated by the globalization bonanza launched by Mrs. Clinton's husband - and backed by Mrs. Clinton, who called the TPP (the Trans-Pacific Partnership) the "gold standard in trade agreements" - while Mr. Sanders has long stormed the barricades against NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement), TPP, and other free trade deals.
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However, for reasons that seem perversely self-defeating in an election year that is known for unfiltered candor, Mr. Sanders has held his fire. And for what reason? The former Secretary of State is not the fearsome Lady Macbeth of Republican stereotype. Barack Obama proved that conclusively. The often shrill, impersonal Mrs. Clinton has no Eva-Peron-like hold on the Democratic electorate, and no ability to engineer George-Wallace-like shenanigans to suppress voter turnout. Sanders has no worries of Clinton payback, nor should he be playing it safe in order to secure a VP slot, where he, like white working class hero Joe Biden before him, will be sent out to pasture: defanged, caricatured and emasculated.
Instead, Bernie has a real chance to make Mrs. Clinton yearn to be his VP. To get there, however, he has to stop pulling punches and go for the knockout blow. Wednesday night in the Univision debate, moderator Jorge Ramos - an otherwise shameful and unruly apologist for open borders and the horrors they engender - pointedly asked Mrs. Clinton, "If you get indicted, will you drop out?"
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First, Sanders needs to break with DNC groupthink, and make a stink about Mrs. Clinton's lies after the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. As revealed in the last House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Mrs. Clinton emailed the truth about what happened at the Benghazi Consulate to the Libyan president and to her daughter Chelsea on the night of the attacks and to the Egyptian president the next day (it was, in fact, "a planned attack" by "an Al-Qaida-like group" that "had nothing to do with the film" , and then subsequently lied to the families of the Benghazi victims (saying it was a protest about an anti-Muslim You Tube video clip).
Sanders has made no noise about this. Why? Bernie needs to link Mrs. Clinton's fully documented lies on Benghazi to her recent lies about him (e.g., accusing Senator Sanders of opposing the auto bailout, which is patently false, and then linking him to border militia "known as Minutemen," which is patently absurd). There is with Mrs. Clinton a grotesque and recurring habit of bold-faced chicanery and deception. Sanders could effectively end her campaign by exposing it. Why won't he do it? Has someone gotten through to him? Does he think playing nice is a way to defeat her? Has he gone batty in his dotage?
Secondly, Sanders needs to get personal, by linking Mrs. Clinton's wealthy donor contributions to the lavish lifestyle that she and Mr. Clinton enjoy in bucolic Chappaqua, in New York's upper crust Westchester County. He needs to paint Mrs. Clinton as the radical chic poster pol that she clearly is. A candidate who will tilt far left during an election to capture populist thunder, but who has no real intention of deeply upsetting her status quo corporate backers. There is no better evidence of this than Federal Election Commission data, which reveals that tens of millions of dollars have been donated to Mrs. Clinton's campaign by some of the world's wealthiest hedge fund titans.
Sanders needs to stop focusing on the content of Mrs. Clinton's speeches at Wall Street investment bank Goldman Sachs - ...... The point is that it was a wink-wink quid pro quo arrangement. He is on point when he says that it stretches the bounds of credulity that Goldman paid Mrs. Clinton $650,000 in speaking fees out of the goodness of their hearts. They wanted something in return. The bigger the give, the bigger the get.
Then Sanders lets up, and fails to close the deal. He needs to extend from Mrs. Cliinton's "market-rate" (read: exhorbitant) speaking fees to her husband's equally sizable speaking fees as head of the Clinton Foundation. And then Sanders needs to wrap it all up with a nice tidy bow, showing how the speaking fees of the Clintons and the sizable donations made to the Clinton Foundation ultimately affected Mrs. Clinton's policy decisions as Secretary of State. There is a mine field of possible transgressions here, but Sanders lays off. Why?
...... Sanders could dig deeper......Lobbyists and donors pay not only for political access, but also for tiny changes in legislative bills that go right over the heads of most voters and under the radar of most watchdogs, but have profound effects on the corporate bottom line. What were those compromises that Mrs. Clinton tacitly supported not just for Wall Street financial firms, but also for those firms' top clients?
If you know anything about the Wall-Street-to-DC power nexus, you know that those conversations occur, however obliquely, all the time. Huge lobbyist salaries depend on those conversations occurring.
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In Mrs. Clinton's case, such corruption might have involved enacting window dressing reform in the form of Dodd-Frank Act, but not actually sending any bankers to jail. As one lobbyist told the Boston Globe in summing up Mrs. Clinton's attitudes towards Wall Street: "not helpful, but also not harmful." It's that "not harmful" part that Mr. Sanders needs to sink his dentures into.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-marshall-crotty/the-knockout-blow-bernie-_b_9435952.html
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)is real and he doesnt want to wound her.
Knowing she is millions times better than anyone from the other side and someone he can work with in Congress, etc.
He knows she wont destroy lives, the planet, etc and the other guy will.
Like I said, because he is a real patriot.
vintx
(1,748 posts)She supported the RW coup that ousted Velaya.
Why doesn't anyone around here care?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Did my concern for left wing activists in Honduras somehow confuse you?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)and the first thing you do is point to a negative about her, which she has many of, then I get confused.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Confusion before attacking anyone here who cares about the real people in various nations across the globe, whom Hillary Clinton has hurt beyond belief.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)The rules change just in time.
And you said it to me, someone who supports Bernie.
You cant even imagine how progressive I am, you should be ashamed of yourself with that garbage
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)In the spirit of Democratic unity.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)What the fuck was I thinking, why dont I just trash Hillary 24.7 instead, so much more fun.
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho
John Poet
(2,510 posts)As I young man, I actively protested against US support for the right-wing military junta in El Salvador, and against Reagan's support of the contras in Nicaragua.
I thought those days were past. Never dreamed the Democratic party in 2016 would be on the verge of nominating someone who has blood on her hands because she supported a right-wing coup in another Central American country...
Or that professing Democrats on this board would MOCK the loss of life in Honduras that Hillary helped to cause by saying, "I guess Hillary won't win the primary in Honduras"...
Hillary's actions as SOS regarding Honduras, as well as Afghanistan, Libya and Syria illustrate a well-established pattern of militarism which can only lead to more war, more suffering and more death of innocents, if she is allowed to become President of the United States.
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)That's something I never expected to see here - but there it is.
Shameful and very, very disappointing.
hallio
(25 posts)Really ? have you looked at her record ?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Ok.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)HappyinLA
(129 posts)that he needs is screaming "Benghazi!"?
Good luck.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)I believe it comes from a place where Bernie wants to draw distinctions between himself and Clinton, but not become the subject of GOP attack ads later on.
Yes, there is a TON he could be attacking her with.. but he doesn't want to do damage to the potential nominee.
He likes and respects her. I don't, so even if he loses the primary and endorses her, I won't be voting for her.
hallio
(25 posts)whatever Bernie doesn't do, the GOP will do, and Trump would do that times 10,
so why not play to win ?
LuvLoogie
(6,971 posts)jehop61
(1,735 posts)Is the author of this hit piece? What are his credentials and politics?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)they engender. . ."
Fine company you keep there, amborin.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders is so much smarter than this. This author didn't just go Benghazi, they went full on Gowdy Benghazi. Truly a right wing hit. They then go full on right wing deception over emails.
Those going full Gowdy as this author has are by the book ratfuckers. This makes Paul supporter Goodman look clean.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)and it wouldn't work anyway. Benghazi is rightfully a joke, there must be something wrong with this person to suggest that it should be part of the Democratic primary.
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)In fact he went so far as to throw in with a lot of rethugs to co-sponsor a bill to block the funds for it. So your author is apparently very poorly informed.
In addition, more "artful smears" filled with baseless innuendo are not going to get Bernie the nomination.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/8/1498241/-The-Congressional-Record-on-the-Auto-Bailout-Sanders-Co-Sponsored-Inhofe-s-bill-to-Block-Funds
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Or, if they do care, they themselves are far right ideologues who favor lousy, expensive healthcare, poverty wages, capital punishment, and endless war.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)I can assure you that I will simply do what Bernie will do.
He not only will vote for her he will campaign for her.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Business groups are on record as not believing she'll stay opposed to the TPP. If you are opposed to the TPP there is really very few reasons to suspect she is a long term ally.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)While Clinton (and those supporters) seem to imagine they can do it alone.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as she's capable of?
She was a lot tougher against Obama in 2008.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That she could get nastier is neither something I deny, nor something I find admirable.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)riversedge
(70,173 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bernie has no knockout punch to play. He's the one who's been put on the canvas multiple times.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Lady Macbeth, Eva Peron, lies about Benghazi?
Screw him!!!
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)And I'm speaking as someone who has seen every Ha! screed posted here.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Too much Claire Underwood in her veins.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Some very interesting information from former Governor & Senator Bob Graham of Florida. If you can't wait I understand there's an article at UnCut.org and read there story.
RT had a 2 part discussion with him today. There are some 28 pages he's referenced but even I haven't read the whole article. Have too cook dinner, no time now.
L8R
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:47 PM - Edit history (1)
interesting twitter feed.
www.twitter.com/Crotty
?@CROTTY
SHAME ON U @BernieSanders for not castigating supporters whom U KNOW are infiltrating #Trump rallies 2 incite violence & silence free speech
https://twitter.com/CROTTY/status/709332472102658048
?@CROTTY
I ABHOR violence. So PLEASE @BernieSanders tell #MoveOn to stop infiltrating #Trump rallies. Many #Trump voters R packing. Recipe 4 disaster
https://twitter.com/CROTTY/status/708783431262441472
?@CROTTY
To good & decent #Sanders supporters, tell @BernieSanders to disown #FTP & #BLM thugs inciting violence at #Trump rallies. It will end badly
https://twitter.com/CROTTY/status/708780798103592960
?@CROTTY
Hey #Bernie instead of winking @ violence of your #SorosThugs at #TrumprRally , take out #HillaryClinton Here's how: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-marshall-crotty/the-knockout-blow-bernie-_b_9435952.html
1:42 PM - 12 Mar 2016
https://twitter.com/CROTTY/status/708770082273386496
?@CROTTY
LOL @BernieSanders calling @realDonaldTrump "pathological liar" when @MSNBC confirms #Sanders behind violent #Chicago #Trump rally shutdown
https://twitter.com/CROTTY/status/708767113675022336
He doesn't support Bernie. He's a Trump humper.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Response to amborin (Original post)
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wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,638 posts)And Bernie is above that, and Hillary's not.
Reality sucks, sometimes.
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)LuvLoogie
(6,971 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)as much as it should be about how Hillary's role in supporting ME regime change has made the nation less safe than before.
The messages Bernie should be pounding away at are these:
1) We as a nation are less safe today due to Hillary Clinton's tenure as Sec. of State.
2) Hillary Clinton's ties to Wall Street have made American families and individuals poorer than before.