Just to be clear: If Hillary wants this Berniecrat's vote, there will be a price.

[Blue State Bandit]

Understand, this primary is far from over. The math, and the atmosphere exists for Bernie to deny Hillary the nomination. His campaign, and millions of voters are yet to cast their ballots, and there is still the issue of the TrumpMonster -created by the establishment political class- towering over the seething remains of the Republican Party.

Like it or not, admit it or not, the establishment on the Democratic side of the isle has waged a dirty and disrespectful campaign against a man seen in this country as possibly the most honest individual in modern politics. The withholding of her Wall St. transcripts alone leaves such a bad taste in the mouth of millions of Democrats and Independents that if she does not make substantial concessions, and soon, you will find a substantial plurality of this country unable or unwilling to vote for her in the GE.

I would prefer not to see Trump become president, but I can not trust the system in place to prevent this. The establishment/corporatocracy has thrown every possible obstacle at Bernie and our movement, shown prominently again yesterday (ST#3) when the MSM did not air ANY of Bernie's speech after the election. MSNBC, who purged any possible supporters of Bernie, who has given Hillary clear preferential treatment in many forms, has been Non-Stop Trump for months. Anonymous's hack of Trump's phone had Tamron Hall, girlfriend of "Liberal" stalwart Lawrence O'Donnell, sweet talking Trump for a Gucci Discount. And if anybody was wondering how it is that so many conservative democrats have been jumping ship for Trump, I would be willing to bet that they were watching a lot of Morning Joe. Then you have Leslie Moonves over at CBS admitting that CBS's ratings bonanza is detrimental to America.

Bernie supporters no longer see this as a fair election. We see Bill and Hillary walking into polling stations in clear breach of election law. We see stalwart Democrats levy unfounded, and unsubstantiated attacks against us and our candidate, only to quietly retract or "modify/clarify" them. We see Twitter and YouTube tombstoneing accounts for frivolous reasons. And we see the DNC acting in a clearly partisan nature throughout the primary season.

Oh, and we don't trust Hillary. So.

Let me layout some possible concessions that may assuage my compatriots.

- A new Fed Chair will be named, as well as other finance related positions in a new administration. Said appointments, and accompanying subordinates, will not have worked for, or be permitted to work for ANY organization or associate of any organization that participated in the TARP relief program, had access the Federal Reserve Discount Window, or that has paid settlements to the Federal Government following investigations for financial misconduct without the unanimous consent of the Progressive Caucus including both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. This will be a public debate. Minor details may be negotiable.

- Full, unimpeachable, net-neutrality/access as a right. (Platform and legistation)

- The resignation of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. Non negotiable.

- A genuine, public offer of VP to Bernie. In the event he declines, he should be consulted on the VP pick.

- A full 21st Century Glass–Steagall. Legislation prepared for introduction on the first day of congressional business in 2017. Non-Negotiable.

- Tulsi Gabbard for DNC Chair or SecDef.

- A Full re-negotiation of TPP/TTIP in public.

This is by no means a comprehensive list, and this may not convince all. But I am offering a road map to gaining the votes of my compatriots.

Understand. I will be casting my vote for Bernie in my primary, and I will vote in November. I will also be watching along with millions of other potential voters. Just turning a corner and ignoring us would be ill advised. Our vote is our choice. And we don't have to vote for every race on the ballot.

You may say that "You were never going to vote for a democrat anyway". That's your right, but that doesn't make that the wise response. The establishment that you are propping up by electing "a Hillary" without our support, is directly responsible for the rise of Trump. I will not vote for status-quo. I'll let the US Military take out a President Trump, first.

Keep that in mind when Hillary tries to shed her "Liberal" persona as she turns her guns on Trump, because she was not the only one stealing Bernie's campaign rhetoric. Trump is running against quite a few of the same sacred cows Bernie is aiming for. Leaving these principals on the side of the road will not help her campaign. In fact, It would be an unmitigated disaster. And provided she does somehow win in November, we will be a determinant thorn in her side when ever she shows those conservative roots of hers.

So, go ahead and poo-poo this offer. Good luck.



On edit: I expected dissent, but not childish derision. Too bad.

[EdwardBernays]

1. That

Wouldn't convince me

[cosmicone]

2. What about the unicorn and sparklepony? n/t

[upaloopa]

3. I will not be buying your vote.

I will not be black mailed or intimidated.
Your decision is your responcibility. Own it.

[Blue State Bandit]

5. But shaming those willing to abstain is fine?

[upaloopa]

14. I cannot make someone feel something.

It is about time you stop blaming us for everything.

Take responcibility for yourself

[Blue State Bandit]

25. Excuse me?

I'm not blaming you for anything.

I don't appreciate the attitude.

[upaloopa]

99. You said I was shaming people. People feel shame or not. Other people cannot shame them.

You are blaming me for people feeling shame. I am telling those who feel shame to take responsibility for their feelings.

[upaloopa]

100. What you do with your vote is no concern of mine.

Elections are a zero sum game. The winners get the most votes. You vote for someone or you don't. If you do you help the one you voted for. If you don't you help the one you didn't vote against. Simple. It is your responsibility to make that choice. Nobody makes it for you.

[upaloopa]

110. We agree

[synergie]

135. Yes, for it is due to such terroristic actions that we have the districting and the Trump.

Shaming those who indulge in such things and who shrug off all responsibility is not only fine, it's required.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

162. Hell yes. Abstaining is shameful.

If you decide not to vote for the Democratic nominee and against Trump then shame on you.

[Blue State Bandit]

20. I didn't ask you.

[Scootaloo]

30. Does that apply to the voters clinton has been catering for thus far as well?

She wants votes, she has to win them. it's real simple.

[treestar]

43. Exactly, geez

I mean we are being given a wish list. One voter cannot wield that kind of power. Enough other people will vote.

[mindem]

81. What the hell is

responcibility? Spelling correctly is a good thing if you are going to run off at the mouth. Responsibility.......

[timmymoff]

147. you can't buy it

but we know you sold yours long ago.

[Hoyt]

4. I'm sure she'll get right on that.

[840high]

35. She needs to show me she

cares about workers.

[PoliticAverse]

6. What has Trump offered you? n/t

[CentralMass]

7. My vote isn't for sale.

[ronnykmarshall]

8. I'll print this out and send it to her.

I'm sure her staff with tear right through it.

[dlwickham]

109. you are such a wonderful person

so thoughtful and considerate

[geek tragedy]

9. Lol, anonymous Internet poster demands veto power over all federal appointments, nt

[bravenak]

31. +1

[geek tragedy]

39. welcome back! nt

[treestar]

44. LOL, right?

[geek tragedy]

47. .

http://www.theonion.com/article/open-minded-man-would-be-willing-to-look-past-jenn-36560

[treestar]

53. lol

about equivalent!

[JoePhilly]

127. + 1

[comradebillyboy]

146. I only come to DU for the absurdist comedy

The OP's manifesto is comedy gold. As for me I'll hold my breath until Hillary gives me a corgi puppy.

[LuvLoogie]

10. The Revolution is going Galt.

[Codeine]

28. Oh snap!

Dig those revolutionary abs!

[Firebrand Gary]

37. FTW

[Pat Riots]

152. No the revolution is just beginning

So better make your little snide putdowns while you can. Part of the Dem coalition is gonna walk away and you corporate I sult mongers are gonna miss us, a lot, as you start to understand that one does not win elections by alienating people. Gonna be a painful lesson for all of us

[LuvLoogie]

165. Rather than sulk, admit, as Bernie has, that Progressive, Liberal

Humanitarian endeavors have a better vehicle in the Democratic party than in the You're Not Good Enough party of which Bernie had been a member his entire political life.

Then, when you've stopped flinging invective at Hillary and her supporters, join the battle.

[ucrdem]

11. Rep. Schultz gave your guy his big break.

Didn't have to, didn't need to, don't think she should have, but she did. Possibly under advisement from PBO, probably not without his okay. So I don't get this DWS rage at all.

[tokenlib]

12. I'd add diavow the Third Way and embrace trade protectionism..

...but I know she's hopeless..and any move to the left is simply an illusion for short term political expediency...

[840high]

38. Very short term. I just

don't trust her.

[Thinkingabout]

13. Also, Hillary is winning delegates, this is the people speaking, let the people speak.

[JonLeibowitz]

45. This poster is also speaking. And his comments are unrelated to the primary process.

[bkkyosemite]

106. or vote machines and tabulators with secret codes.

[Thinkingabout]

115. Do you have proof?

[bkkyosemite]

116. It's all over the place including here.

[Thinkingabout]

118. I would like to see the proof, it is a great possibility Hillary has

Been denied votes and is actually further ahead in the delegate count.

[jfern]

15. She doesn't want our votes

[hack89]

16. Being a parent I know how to deal with tantrums.

No.

[Politicalboi]

17. I don't have a price

After their poll visits, and being called Teabaggers, that is it for me. Why should I support someone who lied about my candidate, and played at the polls to get an edge. So we're supposed to support the one who cheated us out? I call poll visiting CHEATING. Bullhorns and ALL. I will not vote for those who cheated and stole our election. That cannot be taken back.

[restorefreedom]

33. bell cannot be unrung. nt

[bettyellen]

82. people also called lack of parking at a polling place, not registering voters cheating....

but it does not make it so. Politicians running around outside polling places happens every fucking election day, and they take their signs off, and go inside sometimes. It's legal- deal with it. If you hate it, work to change it.

You never paying attention before is the problem.

[Blue State Bandit]

84. I've been on this site for 11 years.

To say anybody posting on a political discussion board is not paying attention to politics is a special kinda cognitive dissonance.

[bettyellen]

88. I was not talking about you, but those who think campaigning on election day is inherently 'dirty"

or that not enough parking space equals "voter suppression" have no fucking clue what voter suppression or dirty tricks really are. The level of outrage over routine things here has betrayed a lot of newbie ignorance. I am glad that young people get involved, but they cannot take things for granted, the DNC isn't going to register your voters, and the super delegates have been around fro twenty years. None of these things are a conspiracy!

[Blue State Bandit]

98. The use of motorcades to effect election outcomes was highlighted...

In "The West Wing: Posse Comitatus". Dirty trick maybe, but not illegal. To put that motorcade withing the boundary of multiple polling stations and have high profile surrogates enter the poling place with US Secret Service in-tow is a violation of multiple election laws.

A Primary is not a Caucus. They were not voting. They were not registered to vote in those precincts.They don't get a pass because they are the Clintons. The laws are clear on this. Your embrace of Republican tactics and dishonest attack on the premise of this morally distasteful and legally exposable actions are mind-bending.

Try watching the news. CNN: Trump v. Clinton: Unpopularity Contest.

Your not helping that narrative.

[72DejaVu]

18. Wow. Sounds like you've had a rough time lately.

I find a nice ice cream sundae cheers me up. You ought to try one.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. What!!??? You want her to do what's best for the country and behve like a public servant!!??

You fool!! The Republicans might be mean to her if she did that!!!

[840high]

41. Wall St. might hate her. We

can't have that.

[bigtree]

21. fuck that

...if you intend to be responsible, you'll join the Democratic coalition after we choose a nominee.

Holding elected officials accountable after we vote them into office is also the responsibility of anyone claiming to be concerned about the issues.

No one should need to hold your hanky as you blow your nose after your candidate loses.

[Codeine]

22. Stage 3: Bargaining.

[msanthrope]

72. I love you. I just want to say that, unabashedly and before I forget it.....

I love you. If you are ever in NYC I will stand you a pint and drink delightedly with you.

[Codeine]

86. Woohoo!!

[msanthrope]

87. :Blushing: nt

[Pat Riots]

151. Stage 4 is barganing

Not 3.....geez so busy gloating can't even read your own chart....BTW stage 8 is getting even, so watch for that

[Codeine]

159. I used a graphic from the new revised chart.

The classic Stage 3 is Bargaining. The newfangled system adds two steps. Nice catch.

[taught_me_patience]

23. Classic bargaining phase of grief. Nt

[Tarc]

24. Some of these proposals actually violate the law

Y'know, those pesky laws against corruption, bribery, possibly racketeering if you are organizing voting blocks in this endeavor.

So, I think it is safe to say that your offer, were it actually made to an elected official, would be rejected out of hand.

[Blue State Bandit]

32. Do you see the word demand anywhere in the OP?

You made me giggle.

[Tarc]

46. "If Hillary wants this Berniecrat's vote, there will be a price"

is a demand.

[synergie]

168. Silly, it's the BS REVOLUTION! Who cares about pesky things like laws? Not the purest

of the pure progressives and the "real people". Laws, ethics, truth telling etc, that's just for us non-real people who have somehow not heard the good news of Bernie and not had our come to Bernie moment.

[DanTex]

26. LOL. I'm sure that she'll give random internet Hillary-haters all the consideration they deserve.

[brer cat]

27. ...

[MohRokTah]

29. No vote is worth giving into such ridiculous demands.

No thanks. We don't need your vote.

[Blue State Bandit]

34. I'm sure you speak for the campaign.

[MohRokTah]

40. It's ridiculous to even think the campaign would consider this nonsense.

It's more than ridiculous.

[Blue State Bandit]

52. Opposing TTP is ridiculous? Opposing the apt of Goldman Sachs to the Fed Chair?

Please continue.

[MohRokTah]

54. Giving into childish demands of an anonymou internet poster. eom

[Blue State Bandit]

56. Oh, so my opinion doesn't matter.

Gotcha.

[MohRokTah]

57. Nope, not when couched in the form of silly childish "demands"

No vote is worth that absurdity.

[Blue State Bandit]

60. Childish you say.

tell me which of my childish demands you dislike.

[MohRokTah]

62. The entire thing is childish.

If you want to hold your vote hostage to a ridiculous set of demands, then nobody can take anything you say as being anything approaching serious, nor will anybody want your vote.

Please, keep it. Nobody wants it under those childish conditions.

[Blue State Bandit]

67. Then go on record and tell me.

Tell me how you prefer someone from Goldman Sachs running The Fed.

[MohRokTah]

69. The very act of making demands makes anything you have to say ridiculous.

Nobody can take anything you say seriously ever again here.

[Blue State Bandit]

76. Know what, good luck in November.

[marions ghost]

48. "We don't need your vote"

--Got that message loud and clear from the Hillary campaign.

[Blue State Bandit]

61. Hear Hear.

[Pat Riots]

148. OK then

I will remember the Democratic party does not need my vote. I assume this goes for my family and friends as well? I will be sure to pass that along. Hillary supporters have no idea how hard she will find the GE. I have a very long memory and revenge is best served cold. I will put my energy in advocating that people NOT vote for centrists ever again...and I am the political junky in my circle. People will sit up and take notice when I say the opposite of what I always say, vote Dem. I think it would be worse for the country to keep limping along with two right ist parties. The centrist Dems need a real wake up call and it is on the way. Enjoy the gloating now while you can

[marions ghost]

166. Third Way Dems have controlled things long enough

but they don't want to make room policy-wise. They just want us to vote. They have the idea they can choose their candidate for president years before the election. Makes the primaries a complete sham.

That exploitative arrangement is not working so well now.

[Warren DeMontague]

107. getting rid of DWS is "ridiculous"?

She's a fucking train wreck as DNC chair. Nobody likes her except Sheldon Adelson and a few of her apologists on DU.

[LisaM]

114. Putting Tulsi Gabbard in as head of the DNC is

After that display she made, going around bashing Hillary and the DNC!

[Codeine]

36. "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute

the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and do all that super-important shit that one dude on DU wants."

*fx: crowd cheering*

[DawgHouse]

117. Lol!

[PowerToThePeople]

42. Your vote is yours to do as you wish

I will weigh all options in November and do what I feel is best.

[treestar]

49. What are the conditions for the Senator if one is up in your state

and the Congressional representative? Their vote will matter.

[Blue State Bandit]

55. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be voting down ticket no mater what.

[workinclasszero]

50. If you are good with letting a neo nazi like Trump

take control of the government, that's up to you.

I don't get why a person would do that to his or her own family but.....

[geek tragedy]

51. Open-Minded Man Would Be Willing To Look Past Jennifer Lawrence’s Flaws

http://www.theonion.com/article/open-minded-man-would-be-willing-to-look-past-jenn-36560

JOLIET, IL—Saying that he would be open to giving a relationship with the Oscar-winning actress Jennifer Lawrence a shot, local man Alex Robard, 31, told reporters Monday that despite any preconceptions he might have formed about the Hollywood star, he certainly considers himself broad-minded enough to try looking beyond her flaws. “Look, she’s not perfect, but neither am I, so all things considered, I’d be inclined to test it out and give the two of us a chance,” said the sales associate, who went on to add that, while he couldn’t make any guarantees, if he were to ever go on a date with the 23-year-old A-lister, he would make a concerted effort to resist forming snap judgments based on any potential faults, personal weaknesses, or off-putting personality traits that the celebrity might possess. “You have to be willing to accept people as they are. Yes, Jennifer’s a little loud, a little wacky and in-your-face, but I think, personally, I could get past that. Dating’s all about keeping an open mind.” Robard added that he hoped Lawrence wasn’t particularly religious, because that would, unfortunately, be a deal-breaker for him.

[Warren DeMontague]

108. that's pretty funny.

[BeyondGeography]

58. How about baby ducks testicles in a truffle sauce?

[msongs]

59. maybe bernie can get you an F35 for your garage from his MIC best friends lol nt

[Blue State Bandit]

64. Can't. Hillary's sending them to Saudi Arabia.

[Thinkingabout]

121. They are not functional, unable to do what they should do,

Lockheed Martin continues to get funded without answering for the cost over runs.

[monicaangela]

63. I'm hoping you are going to make this a legal contract

A contract that will be enforceable if either party fails to follow the terms of the negotiation. Because, I don't believe you can just say this is what I want, take a "okay I will do that" from the candidate and be satisfied. I believe if you are, you need to look back at past elections where many things were promised but once in office it was very easy for those other candidates to find reasons why the things their constituents wanted them to do just couldn't be done. Good Luck with your petition, I hope it works. I will be willing to vote for the candidate that runs against Trump if it will prevent him from getting into the White House, however, believe me I won't like it if that candidate isn't Bernie Sanders. This country is on the brink of disaster if you ask me. I believe our only hope is Sanders for President, and the awakening of the masses to support him so that he can make the difference he has been trying to make his entire life.

[asuhornets]

65. How much??? n/t

[cleopotrick]

66. This was brilliant

I would dip my toes in the water if some of the conditions you mentioned were met

and maybe a few ironclad guarantees on climate action, re-fanging the EPA, prosecuting environmental criminals, etc., all pipe dreams in a clinton world but oh well

[Blue State Bandit]

73. I like those as well.

None of it will get any attention if we just give our vote away out of fear.

[LibDemAlways]

68. I love your list, but I would add one additional

requirement. She would have to release the unredacted transcripts of her speeches. As Bernie says, they must be pretty great speeches if they were worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. I would want to know what's in them before I would remotely consider voting for her.

But note the responses here Blue State Bandit. They don't want our votes. They are apparently so delusional they think they can win without the Bernicrats.

They have a corporate owned candidate despised by Republicans who is perceived as untrustworthy and whose supporters do themselves no favors with their smug arrogance. And they expect to win without the help of many of the millions of people who support the only candidate of either party who has the back of the 99%.

I wish them good luck. They'll need it.

[Blue State Bandit]

70. It's sad, and frightening.

All she has working for her is the fear of Trump.

[monicaangela]

74. Excellent Comment!

Vitriol right up to the primaries are over and what then? I don't believe some of these HRC supporters realize the fact that many people will not vote for HRC for exactly the reasons you have laid out in your post. It's good to be passionate about a candidate, especially when the flaws of that candidate are so obvious. However that enthusiasm is going to lose a lot of votes for their candidate whether they know it or not. How does the old saying go...He who laughs last laughs best.

[Blue State Bandit]

89. I won't be laughing...

but I may not be depressing a button in that top row in November either.

I'll be voting with a fat black marker.

[GoneFishin]

71. We'd be lucky if she didn't privatize Social Security. I wouldn't trust her to keep her word on any

of that shit. Anything she says would go right out of the fucking window after the primary and then again right after the GE.

[Blue State Bandit]

75. Well we can't expect any help securing it when it's always used as a carrot..

in debt ceiling or tax reform negotiations. It's time to show her what we expect for our support.

[mcar]

77. You must have a lot of power

And yet here you are posting your demands on DU.

[ncteechur]

78. Thanks for your extortion. Nm

[Blue State Bandit]

80. It's called politics.

[liberal_at_heart]

95. How is it that so many people don't understand what representation means?

Our government representatives do exactly that. They represent what we the constituents want. That is their job. Well it is supposed to be their job, only now they represent want corporate constituents want. So, if they don't represent us it is our civic freedom to vote for someone we feel will represent us better. Voting for someone who represents what you want is not extortion. It is part of exercising our civic right.

[demwing]

132. Oh the DRAMA!

[obamanut2012]

79. lolz -- esp love you wanting the Putin Lover as DNC chair

Seriously, these Ops are just embarrassing for all of you. Just stop.

[snot]

83. How about also

Putting Richard Clark back in charge of anti-terrorism.

Putting William Black in charge of bank regulatory enforcement.

Giving Elizabeth Warren as much power over economic and financial regulatory matters as possible.

Opening up the processes leading to "free trade" treates such as the TPP.

Appointing someone teachers approve of to replace Arne Duncan.

Initiating REAL campaign finance reform.

Pardoning Edward Snowden and other whistle-blowers.

Etc.

Ha! A cold day in h*ll.

[Blue State Bandit]

85. Put it on the list, and let them make fun of our principals.

Then let them try to call themselves democrats.

[FSogol]

90. Or make fun of their principles while heading to the principal's office.

Your choice!

[stevenleser]

91. I've got a price for you...

[Betty Karlson]

93. Well, it would be a start.

If Clinton wants votes from Sanders' side, she could alos endorse his entire platform, or bow out gracefully. That would be the best for the Democratic Party as a whole.

[Godhumor]

94. Pretty sure that is not how this works

Either you vote for her or you don't. You don't get to demand how she behaves to earn your vote.

[Pat Riots]

150. Yes that is exactly what you do

Demand things in exchange for your vote. It is called politics

[Godhumor]

157. Not exactly

You vote for the person you think will most represent your values not the person you think you can hold for ransom.

Maybe you tell the person what is bothering you if you get the chance, but there is no serious politician anywhere who says, "You're right, let me meet your demands to qualify as a representative."

[Beacool]

96. Keep your vote.

Hillary will not pick a 75 year old as her VP. She'll pick someone younger than herself and from a state with a diverse population.

[Beacool]

111. Sure........

[redstateblues]

112. What's happening today to start the erosion?

[djean111]

102. Hey - you would believe a word she says?

I wouldn't.

[highprincipleswork]

104. Hillary would do well to follow this platform, as it would gain her much support.

But then again, she will probably not act as a Progressive, despite the protestations of those who support her. She will probably not do these things.

And on top of that, her supporters will deride the poster.

If you can get past your pretty childish glee at how power politics tends to crush anything good or decent that tries to get done in this country, perhaps you'll do your best to keep your anointed one in something of a Progressive frame of mind. Unless, of course, you also are not as "Progressive" as you like to say you are.

[Trust Buster]

105. Obviously, no one told this poster that bargaining from a position of weakness doesn't end well.

No dice, keep your vote.

[LonelyLiberalOhio]

113. Hello Peeps LONG, LONG, LONG time lurker,

I might have posted something under the username kidfrumcleveland, but can't seem to get back into that account...

I am going to agree with the original poster and take it a bit further. As a liberal Democrat, it might simply be the case IF Hillary wins the election then goes on another right wing tangent(NAFTA, DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, ETC. ETC,) like Bill, then in 4 years it would have been easier to get rid of Right wing Republican Donald Trump, than it would have been to get rid of Right Wing Hillary Clinton.

[Pat Riots]

154. Yes

I agree. Going onto opposition instead of civil war

[DrDan]

119. don't you just love this time of the election season . . . some of the most entertaining

posts appear for our enjoyment

I am quite sure Hillary is struggling right now to figure out how to meet each and every demand . . . yeah, quite sure of it.

[Lil Missy]

120. No Sale. Never negotiate with terrorists.

PS - If Hillary is the nominee, Bernie lost. You're not in a position to bargain.

[Blue State Bandit]

124. Not that is alertable.

You just called me a terrorist. This will be my first alert.

[Lizzie Poppet]

131. Terrorists? Really?!?

You really should self-delete that insulting nonsense.

[polly7]

140. I think she ran away ....... nt.

[polly7]

139. Who the fuck is a terrorist??? nt.

[arcane1]

144. Terrorists? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I see you haven't returned to back up your right-wing smear

[brooklynite]

123. Well then...

...have a nice day; plenty of real Democrats will be voting for her in the General.

[LexVegas]

125. You are in the bargaining stage of grief. nt

[beachbum bob]

126. so what you are saying your rather see trump ruin this country?

[Jester Messiah]

128. How could we hold her to it, though?

Campaign promises are cheap. I wouldn't trust her further than I could throw an angry cat.

[Lizzie Poppet]

129. Exactly. Can't get much of a grip on that level of slime.

It has to be humiliating to the non-personality-cult segment of the Democratic Party to be (probably) fielding such a conniving, dishonest weathervane of a candidate. This independent winces in sympathy...

[Blue State Bandit]

133. Vote down ballot, force concessions and give support

to our Berniecrats whenever action is needed.

Think March for 15 or Black Lives Matter. We will be at their windows and on their phones. Supporting progressives at every turn over establishment dems.

If we don't like the actions of some congress critter, we primary the hell out of them.

Let them feel the same fear that the Tea Party gave to the Republicans. Fear for their jobs.

[demwing]

130. What can Clinton offer that you could trust?

She'll say anything to win, then do as she pleases. You cannot trust a liar, and Hillary lies, liberally.

Furthermore, what makes you think she gives a damn about your needs?

[synergie]

134. So, just to be clear you're holding your vote hostage? Eh, it's not Hillary or the Establishment

that birthed trump, it's the lazy folks who keep holding their vote hostage with a gun to it's head like you're doing. Who don't show up, who pout and stomp their feet when they don't get their way.

When you behave like an ill manner child bent on terrorism, I'm not sure why derision is a surprise here. Waste your vote, your "offer" is rejected. If you have no care of it and why should we?

[tk2kewl]

156. Comedy gold!

Thanks for the laugh

[synergie]

167. Oh, I agree, so much comedy! You guys are quite amusing, this OP and the thread

especially, so much angst, such poutrage!

You better give me what I want, or I'm going to let my vote have it!!!

[tk2kewl]

169. That's generally the way voting works...

People vote for candidates that represent their own ideas for the future. If a candidate wants the votes of a particular group of people they tailor their platform to better align with the ideas of the group.

If ever there was a "gun to the head" scenario, it's expecting voters to choose between the lesser of two evils - vote for the shit sandwich or you'll end up with the guy who will take away your shit sandwich and you won't have anything.

[synergie]

170. Oh come on, this particular OP is a little more than that. Even with the emotions running high,

It is a bit hysterical, and silly. I am imagining a tear stained toddler making dire threats to strangle his beloved teddy if mommy and daddy don't let him have candy, watch videos and not take his bath, while stomping around. It is quite silly. The scenario you present is how adjusting works, where you suck it up, make your comparisons, weigh your options and make your choice, without the temper tantrums.

Give me my preferred flavor of "shit sandwich" or my vote gets it, is LITERALLY the gun to the bite scenario. Eat it, smear it all over your face, put it on your head whatever, why you think anyone is going to negotiate for you to do something for your own benefit, when your failure not to will hurt you as well is beyond me. You are only spitting yourself, if that us your goal, then so be it. Why you think playing a hysterical prima Donna is eminently reasonable is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. The show, from ostensibly grown-ass people us amusing, so we will be over here laughing at your expense.

Take care of your friend, this level of poutrage us not sustainable, and he will need a blankie, a binkie and several naps before he needs to put his big boy pants on and do the needful. If your guy somehow gets the nod, try very hard to imagine his you will feel if some Hill supporter pulled this level of toddler freak out.

This not how sane, rational adults behave, and were you not so busy with the team loyalty you could admit that.

[tk2kewl]

171. No team loyalty from me...

I'm loyal to my ideals...

No matter how many times you suggest that me or any Bernie supporter is throwing a tantrum, I (and other Bernie supporters, I hope) will base my decision on who to vote for on the candidates' platforms. But certainly, calling people names is not likely to help Hillary's cause.

If Hillary embraces enough of the things important to me and they are incorporated in the 2016 Democratic Party Platform, then she will get my vote; if not, then I will have to make a difficult decision: am I terrified enough by the Republican alternative to vote for her anyway or do I stick with my ideals and vote for Stein.

I have chosen the lesser of 2 evils way too many times over the past 30+ years... Enough is enough.

This *is* how this "sane, rational adult behaves." And frankly, if more people behaved this way I think we would have better political choices.

[Goblinmonger]

164. Jury's In

I am #5

On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:03 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So, just to be clear you're holding your vote hostage? Eh, it's not Hillary or the Establishment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1515957

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Terrorism?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:10 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Despite the efforts of the admins, nothing is changing. I feel there are some issues with this post but I also feel the poster is trying to keep the remarks as general as possible under the circumstances. My question is why this person chose the word 'terrorism' to alert on. There were other issues that I might have considered, but an ill-worded metaphor is not one of them.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think this post is over the top at all.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If it weren't for the terrorist accusation I would have voted to leave it for it's comic value

[kstewart33]

136. Good luck with that.

Not even Bernie Sanders would negotiate that list in exchange for his endorsement.

Tulsi Gabbard as Secretary of Defense. Are you kidding?

[phleshdef]

137. Tulsi Gabbard is an Islamophobe.

[grossproffit]

138. Stage 4.

[polly7]

141. That's actually quite sad.

Grief is something very real and often debilitating for a lot of/most people due to the tragic loss of someone they love. This is like joking about rape or DV just to insult Sanders supporters and make you feel superior. Not smart.

[emsimon33]

142. Problem is we can't hold her to it! Look at Obama!

Once her was elected, he had his surrogates call us names and marginalize the very people who got him elected. He put the foxes in charge of the hen house and when he did work with Republicans it was to give away the middle class and those least able to help themselves. If he could have, Obama would have eviscerated Social Security as Hillary will do. However, since there is no way she can win the general election, if she is the nominee, welcome to Tea Party or Nazi America!

[PyaarRevolution]

143. I don't disagree with the list of demands.

However I'll vote Hillary. That being said unless Hillary follows that list and changes her stance on education to tuition free I will NOT campaign for her. no way can i be enthusiastic as her current platform stands.

edit: IF she's the nom. honestly.

[Blue State Bandit]

145. She had better make a solid reach left for the VP slot if...

she wants me to even ponder the possibility.

And if I were her, I'd have some words with her "most ardent followers".

[The Second Stone]

149. Nobody is going to buy your vote or promise you anything or change any

position because of your promise/threat of a vote/endorsement.

[Pat Riots]

153. ....because you aren't rich n/t

[Blue State Bandit]

158. and that's the crux.

[The Second Stone]

160. Because vote buying is illegal

(and that vote isn't worth anything to me.)

[juxtaposed]

155. there is a price for myself and a lot of my friends too. We will work on that later.

[book_worm]

161. Oh well, I know most Bernie supporters will be for HRC especially if the alternative

is Trump. I guess if you're not then you have to do what you have to do if she doesn't satisfy you.

[Squinch]

163. Sigh. I wish you kids would stop this nonsense and let the grown-ups talk.