Maddow is talking about Sanders new tactic to win, by wooing super delegates

[riversedge]

over to his side---This **after months of railing against them.

[Kalidurga]

1. I read he is going after already pledged delegates.

[bravenak]

6. Then I hope she goes after HIS pleged delegates.

[Kalidurga]

8. Sure, they can trade delegates.

Won't bother me.

[bravenak]

11. Yeah. I think he might have more trouble getting the 'establishment democrats' to switch.

He rails against them. He might wanna not try that route since she is better at it.

[Kalidurga]

13. I never said it would be possible. I just said I wouldn't care if it happened.

[bravenak]

14. I think it makes him look very bad.

[Kalidurga]

17. Yeah I know doesn't matter if it is true or not

[LiberalFighter]

37. Yes. That would work well for him.

[William769]

22. You mean to tell me he doesn't know what a pledged delegate is?

[Coincidence]

26. Must be true if you read it on twitter.

[Kalidurga]

30. Or on DU

cuz that is where I read it. A Hill supporter wrote it though, so you have a point.

[CalvinballPro]

52. There's a difference between an established reporter's Twitter and some rando.

Every reporter who posted about this on Twitter was listening to the Sanders' campaigns "Path Forward" phone call, where such strategy was discussed.

Sorry, no "It's just Twitter, ignore it" for this one. This is legitimate news.

[NuclearDem]

27. "I read he is going after already pledged delegates"

"going after pledged delegates"

"pledged delegates"

"pledged"

...uh huh.

[scscholar]

2. Sad to see him subvert democracy like this.

[morningfog]

3. My position hasn't changed.

They will not get supers to flip unless and until Bernie gets a majority of the pledged delegates. I think that is the actual strategy by Weaver botched the statement.

[LiberalFighter]

38. I think that is pretty much what happened in 2008.

Except it was much closer and Obama ended up with more regular delegates than Clinton.

[bravenak]

4. This is just embarassing at this point.

[NurseJackie]

49. My thoughts, too. Where's the dignity?

[vdogg]

5. Going after pledged delegates too.

Because....yeah....That's democratic.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. debunked two hours ago

He said the exact same thing that the clinton campaign said in 2008. Rachel should know better.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/02/clinton-seeks-flip-pledged-delegates

[72DejaVu]

12. So, in other words, he said it

In which case, it's not debunked.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. no. try reading again.

I see by your journal posts that you are purposely being obtuse. Have a good day now.

[riversedge]

18. His campaign manager is talking about it.

[SFnomad]

24. Re: Clinton Campaign from 2008

The first line from your link and then later in the article

Politico's Roger Simon is reporting ....

But how much credibility can we assign to the report? Simon cites a single, unnamed source. The only quote from that source is this:

"I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody's delegates... All the rules will be going out the window."

Please come back and tell us how the Clinton's were planning on doing this back in 2008 when you've got a better source than this.

[CalvinballPro]

53. The source on this is campaign strategist Tad Devine and spokesperson Jeff Weaver. Recognize them?

[pnwmom]

41. Wrong. The Clinton campaign strongly DENIED this anonymous claim in 2008.

And it obviously never carried it out.

Can't you even read the links you post? This is from the link you just posted:

"Update: Clinton campaign issues a strong denial."

[AtomicKitten]

45. Here she's talking about pledged delegates being fair game because they can change their minds.

@ 1:43 in the video posted below specifically. She was, however, unsuccessful in persuading pledged & superdelegates to change their minds and votes. She was an idiot to say this then, just like Tad Devine is an idiot for saying it now.

[BlueStateLib]

47. hillary said if there was a deadlock

[bigdarryl]

9. Yeah I just saw that segment at the end of her show

This smells like desperation to me.They are beginning to look like they are desperate.First they say they don't like super delegates now they say they are trying to get them to switch to there side when Clinton is 322 pledged delegates ahead of them plus has almost two million more votes than he does.If he wants to stay in the race that's fine but this tactic just looks idiotic

[KingFlorez]

10. Sanders is in freefall

At this point he thinks he should be the nominee no matter what the voters say. That is quite pathetic.

[Politicalboi]

16. Now you know how we feel

Pathetic indeed. He's in it till the end. The Queen has not been anointed yet.

[riversedge]

19. Hillary is in till the WH Oval Office. That is the end point.

[William769]

23. So you're saying fuck the voters?

[NuclearDem]

28. "The Queen" has 2.5 million more votes than Sanders.

[shadowandblossom]

32. "anointed" meaning elected by a majority of voters and 'queen" meaning elected representative.

That's some pretty creative use of language.

[riversedge]

43. To me it seems more and more he is on an ego trip

[Samantha]

20. Bill Clinton was calling superdelegates and leaning on them to commit to Hillary

before the first primary was ever held.

Sam

[riversedge]

25. Well, Sanders camp could have done the same.

[geek tragedy]

31. Yeah and that ended well nt

[shadowandblossom]

34. Sanders has been working with these people for 25 years and he was a superdelegate himself.

Why doesn't he call and talk to his coworkers?

[LiberalFighter]

39. Sanders has never been a super delegate until this year.

The only Senator that was a delegate in 2008 and 2012 was Patrick Leahy.

[William769]

21. OMFG!

[MaggieD]

33. A total desperation move

And it really says everything you need to know.

[SMC22307]

35. If the superdelegates game is good enough for Obama and Clinton...

it's good enough for Sanders and Clinton.

According to Nate Silver's blog (is he under or out from under the bus these days?), several dozen superdelegates, to include John Lewis and Walter Mondale, switched from Clinton to Obama.

[ucrdem]

36. None of them are going to budge, even if there's an indictment, and there won't be.

He came a long way but after yesterday's results . . . it's time to move on to the GE.

[kristopher]

40. Not really

Required to win nomination:
2383
Delegates available in upcoming contests:
2308

Sanders Pledged Delegates + (required to win):
825 + (1558) = 2383

Needs 67.5% of remaining to clinch nomination


Clinton Pledged Delegates + (required to win):
1139 + (1244) = 2383

Needs 54% of remaining to clinch nomination
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511511766

[obamanut2012]

50. Except he cannot win -- it's what happened to HRC in 2008

Except, Hillary was closer to Obama than Sanders is to Hillary. Ulness she has to drop from the care for some reason, there is NO WAY he can win every remaining contest by more than 70% of the votes.

She is leading him -- greatly in total votes and super delegates, and her lead in pledged delegates is mathematically a sure thing.

It's a numbers game, and she's doing what Obama did in 2008 -- she will get the nom.

[kristopher]

56. Sanders isn't Hillary. People love Sanders' and his message.

Hillary can't motivate, she only manipulates.

Huge difference.

[DebDoo]

42. He's going after the super delegates from the states he won

And I have no problem with that.

[CajunBlazer]

55. This is the definition of desperation - the super delegates are now Sanders' last hope

It wasn't that long ago that the Sanders campaign was depicting super delegates as "undemocratic", now they view super delegates as a path to seize victory from the jaws of defeat. Amazing!

By the way, super delegates are the only thing keeping Hillary from locking up the nomination before the convention. Think about it, in a two person race, without the super delegates once the primaries and caucuses are over, one candidate or the other will emerge the winner. It is only because of the super delegates that the race might continue until the first ballot of the convention.

But make no mistake, after the first ballot at the latest, Hillary will claim victory.

[delrem]

44. So you're saying that Rachel is going full bore anti-Sanders.

Hmmm.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Thats no bernie fan, thats a bernie BRO!

I mean, look at the shirt!



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[Cha]

48. HA!

[DrDan]

51. amazing how fast these memes ricochet

[Gothmog]

54. This plan is not going to work