I hear over and over again how real change takes time.

[kacekwl]

IMO we have almost run out of time with the possibility of a Trump , Cruz president with TPP looming with wall st. still out of control with health care threatening repeal , climate change deniers in power with ridicules military spending and insane forgien policy with the Supreme Court and local courts packed with corporate judges and on and on. Can we WAIT another 8 years for change ?

[upaloopa]

1. I posted this in another thread

We can elect a Dem President

We can elect a Dem Senate.

We can put Liberals on the Supreme Court.

We can overturn Citizens United.

We can win State Legislatures

We can redraw the election maps

We can take back the House

We can get tens of millions involved


All starts with voting in November. And takes years of involvement.

We out number them

But it means nothing if we don't vote.


I am 70 this year. I have seen these cycles. We are about to end the Reagan revolution if we want to.

[gcomeau]

2. Your oversight..

We can elect a Dem President

That only helps if said Dem president is a move to the left. It is harm if it is a move to the right.

Do not confuse "Democrat" with Liberal. They are not synonyms.

[Scootaloo]

3. Then why the fuck has Clinton been running a campaign of "NO WE CAN'T; NEVER EVER EVER!!!"

She and her supporters have made it ABUNDANTLY clear they do not desire nor need votes from the left, nor from young voters, and have done everything in their power to alienate those voters. Now what, suddenly "we're all in this together"? We're all just dumb kids playing on iPhones and white supremacist misogynists representing a fifth column for trump and entitled hipsters who just want to freeload and hellbound women who hate themselves and just want the dick and white people pretending to be black people (including apparently some DAMN good makeup work!) supporting Sanders, remember?

Sanders. Remember? The racist gun nut Republican with his head between women's legs who supports the Minutemen, has rape fantasies, protects pedophiles, and so on? Who your candidate has insisted admires the policy of "disappeating people"?

But now, oh, we're all in this together?

No chief. You and your fellow Hilalry supporters have made it VERY clear that not only do you not want us aboard, you're just as happy with Trump, so long as he's not a "red jew".

She has until November to make a solid case for why people shoudl turn out for her, and while "I'm not Trump" might put her just over the finish line for me, I can only speak for myself.

[area51]

7. +1 n/t

[HassleCat]

5. Not with our present strategy.

We have been following the plan laid out by the Clintons since 1980, and we have lost Congress, lost state legislatures, lost governors, lost county and local offices, and become the minority party. We will probably win the presidency, but that's about it. We do not outnumber them, not if you refer to "we" as Third Way Democrats, who fall well short of a majority of voters. That could be due to the fact we abandoned traditional Democratic principles in favor of taking money from special interests. The Republicans already ended the Reagan revolution, or maybe the Democrats stole it from them, hard to tell which.

[PowerToThePeople]

4. Imo, we are 8 years overdue

our promised "change."

[liberal_at_heart]

6. The pragmatists and incrementalists have had over 30 years. When do we get to declare

incrementalism a failure? 50 years? 100 years?