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Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:29 PM

By now I am truly disgusted with the HRC supporters.

Intimidation, indirect voter "suppression" seem to take
hold today by many of her supporters.

27 states have not voted yet, and there are quite a
number of big ones. That is more than half of the states.
It is either:"Trump is coming" fear mongering or
"It is all over,so unite behind the Inevitable" discouragement.

This "Fall in line now!" reminds me of repug tactics, and should
be totally abhorrent to the dems.

Don't forget that HRC will need all the help she can get from
the Bernie supporters, but this attitude drives them exactly
in the opposite direction.

Bernie said he would be in this competition until the
convention, and he will do so. Deal with that without
screaming out "Get out already!"

Your effort to influence lurkers or some undecideds,
will only bring you a large loss of votes for HRC.

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Reply By now I am truly disgusted with the HRC supporters. (Original post)
sadoldgirl Mar 2016 OP
Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #1
senz Mar 2016 #71
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #2
Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #3
sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #5
floriduck Mar 2016 #89
JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #96
kath Mar 2016 #6
jfern Mar 2016 #12
tokenlib Mar 2016 #20
eggman67 Mar 2016 #58
vintx Mar 2016 #91
fun n serious Mar 2016 #94
Dragonfli Mar 2016 #4
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #10
Dragonfli Mar 2016 #23
stevenleser Mar 2016 #25
Number23 Mar 2016 #56
stevenleser Mar 2016 #64
giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #103
TM99 Mar 2016 #88
stevenleser Mar 2016 #90
TM99 Mar 2016 #100
stevenleser Mar 2016 #101
TM99 Mar 2016 #104
DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #18
bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #66
DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #72
yardwork Mar 2016 #99
Odin2005 Mar 2016 #7
liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #11
Live and Learn Mar 2016 #98
Mnpaul Mar 2016 #122
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #8
MadBadger Mar 2016 #9
jillan Mar 2016 #13
jeff47 Mar 2016 #16
MadBadger Mar 2016 #19
jeff47 Mar 2016 #22
tokenlib Mar 2016 #26
MadBadger Mar 2016 #29
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #31
stevenleser Mar 2016 #34
jeff47 Mar 2016 #75
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #78
jeff47 Mar 2016 #80
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #86
Kalidurga Mar 2016 #105
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #114
sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #24
MadBadger Mar 2016 #28
liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #33
Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #62
Maedhros Mar 2016 #106
jillan Mar 2016 #49
MadBadger Mar 2016 #50
MohRokTah Mar 2016 #14
oasis Mar 2016 #36
tokenlib Mar 2016 #15
asuhornets Mar 2016 #17
William769 Mar 2016 #21
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #27
MadBadger Mar 2016 #35
betsuni Mar 2016 #73
JoePhilly Mar 2016 #108
KingFlorez Mar 2016 #30
Post removed Mar 2016 #32
MadBadger Mar 2016 #37
djean111 Mar 2016 #84
stevenleser Mar 2016 #39
sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #41
Hekate Mar 2016 #43
stevenleser Mar 2016 #48
NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #69
stevenleser Mar 2016 #70
stevenleser Mar 2016 #54
melman Mar 2016 #63
stevenleser Mar 2016 #67
stevenleser Mar 2016 #44
Hekate Mar 2016 #40
nc4bo Mar 2016 #52
stevenleser Mar 2016 #65
Hekate Mar 2016 #38
AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #53
John Poet Mar 2016 #42
Chichiri Mar 2016 #45
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #47
Chichiri Mar 2016 #55
Tarc Mar 2016 #46
HassleCat Mar 2016 #51
sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #60
liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #61
jfern Mar 2016 #57
gcomeau Mar 2016 #81
jfern Mar 2016 #111
Mnpaul Mar 2016 #118
alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #59
sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #68
Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #74
hrmjustin Mar 2016 #76
WillyT Mar 2016 #77
workinclasszero Mar 2016 #79
UglyGreed Mar 2016 #82
NowSam Mar 2016 #83
Maedhros Mar 2016 #107
merrily Mar 2016 #85
synergie Mar 2016 #87
fun n serious Mar 2016 #92
IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #93
Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #95
obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #97
warrprayer Mar 2016 #102
LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #109
JoePhilly Mar 2016 #110
improvingthecountry Mar 2016 #112
book_worm Mar 2016 #113
Rockyj Mar 2016 #115
PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #119
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #116
Vote2016 Mar 2016 #117
smiley Mar 2016 #120
jwirr Mar 2016 #121
Renew Deal Mar 2016 #123
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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:30 PM

1. ...


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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:22 AM

71. Loved the cowpoke using a lint roller on his jacket.

 

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:32 PM

2. K&R and completely agree.

 

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:32 PM

3. They won, so they get to twist the knife and dance on our graves.

 

Whether it will help in the GE is another question. I think a lot of what we're seeing and will continue to see is a desire in the Clinton camp to excise the left wing of the Democratic party. Regardless, there are still downballot progressives to support.

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Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:37 PM

5. No, they have not won yet.

Don't forget the West coast, including CA.

But your state has not voted yet either, so
why give up so quickly?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:56 PM

89. And don't forget that her firewall states

 

Will likely vote Republican in the GE anyway.

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Response to floriduck (Reply #89)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:47 PM

96. Irrelevant that the states are red

At this time, she's counting delegates. Period.

Oh, and maybe hustling for more money.

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Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:38 PM

6. They did well YESTERDAY, but not as well as expected, and they have NOT won yet.

And the Confederacy is all done voting.

for Some perspective, see the chart in this OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280149097

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Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:43 PM

12. They have made it very clear they don't want our votes

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Response to jfern (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:47 PM

20. No, they want them.. They just think you have nowhere else to go....

it is arrogance pure and simple.

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:25 AM

58. Bulworth said it best

Bulworth: "What are ya gonna do, vote Republican?"

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Response to jfern (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:05 PM

91. I've been told more than once on this site that my vote isn't needed.

 

Glad to know they've got this all locked up. I can just put my feet up and watch this time around.

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Response to vintx (Reply #91)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:09 PM

94. What do you want? You want us to beg?

 

We won't. If you think we have been nasty to you, you're wrong. I have screen shots of all kinds of things including the brick issue

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:34 PM

4. They are trying to hide reality as shown visually in this graph

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:42 PM

10. 300+ delegates is quite far behind, actually, especially in a proportional system.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:48 PM

23. But far from hopeless or an assured victory

There are more delegates left up for grabs than both have obtained combined thus far. Not to mention there are a great many Sanders favorable states coming up Since less than half the delegates have thus far been allocated, whose to say that the second half doesn't catch him up? I actually think it's likely, especially in states where cheating will be more difficult.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:50 PM

25. That's what Hillary thought in 2008 when her deficit was 1/3 of Bernies. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:22 AM

56. Now I understand why people keep screaming so loudly that the supers shouldn't matter

If they think that a 314 delegate difference is nothing, then the extra 440 from the supers must surely be too much to comprehend.

Hillary may not need the supers but she's got them nonetheless. And that's an extra 440 delegates who are committed to making sure that she wins.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:36 AM

64. Absolutely. Fact is that the process is what it is, and the Supers have never decided who won.

 

And I like that a process exists that attempts to prevent the catastrophe that could very well hit the Republicans this year. The next brokered convention, if either party has a next one, will be such a cluster-f**k that even more draconian measures will be put into place afterwards to make sure they never happen again.

Consider that 1968 was such a complete disaster without Social media and the internet. Imagine if the entire world had been kept abreast minute by minute what was happening at that convention. That is what threatens to face the GOP this year.

I think the Republicans' solution to prevent a brokered convention is worse and doesnt seem like it is going to work. Their large winner take all states seem much less fair to someone trying to catch up.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:24 PM

103. Math, it's not for everyone.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:50 PM

88. And she stayed in until June.

 

So thanks we are going to do the same.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:03 PM

90. And I wanted her to get out earlier. We're lucky it didn't cost us. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #90)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:18 PM

100. Yeah, you hated her then and love her now.

 

We know, we know.

The primary voting starting in January. I think going a few more months is not going to hurt the party.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #100)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:20 PM

101. And I cite the reason which of course you will gloss over. But the proof is all over GD-P

 

Grace when facing a loss is not easy. And you guys aren't even the candidate and don't have as much invested.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #101)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:26 PM

104. Why must we be graceful when

 

less than half of the delegates have been awarded after only two months of voting?

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:46 PM

18. There are actually 2,087 remaining delegates.

Bernie needs to win roughly 57% of what's left to tie. This isn't impossible, but is increasingly unlikely. Let's see how Arizona, Idaho, and Utah vote and then reassess.

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Response to DemocraticWing (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:43 AM

66. If the gap widens any more, then its time to worry.

The campaign has been saying since the very beginning that the 15th would be the last stand for Clinton. That is why they're making such a fuss right now, because things are expected to shift dramatically going forward.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #66)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:33 AM

72. I'm concerned about Arizona. Closed primary and poll numbers look pretty bad.

If we don't get killed there, however, we have a nice run through the next few states up until New York. NY is followed by a bunch of other east coast primaries the next week...those two weeks are probably the last stand. Either we win big or it's just a formality at that point.

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Response to DemocraticWing (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:34 PM

99. I think he has to win 62% of remaining delegates to win.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:40 PM

7. As a working class white guy I feel increasingly unwelcome in the Democratic Party.

Caring about income inequality for everyone is now considered racist, apparently.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:43 PM

11. +1000000

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:59 PM

98. +1000 nt

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:35 PM

122. It sure seems like the third way is determined

to drive the rest of us away. They chased away a good chunk away in the 90's with their free trade deals and are now attempting to finish the job. It's a stupid move but they have fondness for stupid moves(as proven in recent elections).

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:41 PM

8. Their hubris will be their downfall. Just like 2000. They despise the Left

 

because we won't acquiesce to the Ruling Class. We will not ignore those suffering among us. They want us to take the ACA and be happy with it and consider the 50 million living in poverty just collateral damage of the Ruling Classes looting the lower classes.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:41 PM

9. Some people on the internet want your candidate to drop out. You call that voter intimidation?

You probably could use a good history lesson.

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:44 PM

13. Excellent - you just proved her point

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:46 PM

16. Great job providing a perfect example. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:47 PM

19. There are a whole lot of overreactions on this board.

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:48 PM

22. Such as yours. (nt)

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:51 PM

26. Overreaction??

You said "history." We have almost thirty years of arrogant New Dems playing these games to get us to vote for the lesser of evils. It's old...and predictable...

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Response to tokenlib (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:53 PM

29. Jim Crow anybody? That's what intimidation looks like

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:53 PM

31. You can't be serious.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:56 PM

34. Oh they're serious. They're completely melodramatic with anything said about Bernie

 

or about them, inflating it to insane proportions and then are completely nasty with Hillary and her supporters and can't seem to remember they did any of that 30 seconds after doing it.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:16 PM

75. Well, he implies Sanders supporters are idiots who don't know the basics of history

and are whiny brats to boot.

You wanna pretend that is not an insult?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #75)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:20 PM

78. Given that certain Sanders supporters seem to equate the absence of an echo chamber

 

with voter intimidation and suppression, it's kind of hard to disagree with that.

Sorry, but frank discussion about Sanders' chances is not intimidation or suppression.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:24 PM

80. If it was a frank discussion, then it wouldn't be an example

Instead, it's hurling insults.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #80)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:30 PM

86. Anonymous sarcasm and ridicule do not constitute intimidation and suppression.

 

At some point, people who have made a habit of making absolutely absurd, borderline insulting claims of victimhood lose any right to be taken seriously.

Calling a spade a spade is not suppression.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #86)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:27 PM

105. You mean like the ones that Howard Dean has encountered?

I agree he hasn't been intimidated.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #105)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:30 PM

114. I never mentioned Howard Dean.

 

But you're right, he hasn't been intimidated from voting, and neither have Sanders supporters.

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:49 PM

24. Sorry, not just some, it seems to be the meme of the day.

And they know clearly that he won't do it, but keep
telling his supporters that the fight is over and we better
line up behind HRH.

If you think that Bernie supporters will be enticed by
this to vote for her, you must be living on a different
planet than I do.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:51 PM

28. Do they give an "Or else...?"

Gotta have that to actually be intimidation, and more so than just Trump will be President.

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:55 PM

33. Oh, give me a break. You are fooling no one. It is intimidation and you are going on my ignore list.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:35 AM

62. Good call!

 

Same here - full ignore.

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Response to Jenny_92808 (Reply #62)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:34 PM

106. I'll buy that for a dollar! [n/t]

 

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:15 AM

49. If Hillary is the nominee Trump will be President. He will destroy her. She does not

hold up very well to scrutiny.

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Response to jillan (Reply #49)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:15 AM

50. Okay

Whatever you say.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:44 PM

14. More than half the pledged delegates are no longer up for grabs.

 

As of the pledged delegate count right now, Sanders needs more than 58% of all remaining pledged delegates to take a simple majority of pledged delegates (2026). To achieve that, Sanders needs better than Minnesota margins in ALL of the remaining 24 states, 3 territories and the District of Columbia.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:57 PM

36. Bernie's funds will slowly evaporate as his delegate count fails to keep pace.

He was already picking and choosing which states to campaign in before the SWEEP ever happened.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:45 PM

15. The tactics, the words, this "you have nowhere else to go"...

...This is all Third Way/ New Dem/Clintonite boilerplate language and tactics. It gets old after almost THIRTY YEARS....

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:46 PM

17. Let's see..

where have I heard this before, oh yea, right here at DU, so so many times

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:47 PM

21. "reminds me of repug tactics".

have you all looked in a mirror?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:51 PM

27. Pictured below: voter intimidation and suppression.

 






Not pictured: People having an open, peaceful discussion about the chances of your candidate in contests down the road.

If you're not comfortable dealing with the reality that Sanders' path forward is looking more and more grim just due to the sheer numbers, then fine, such is your right to feel that way. If you're not happy that people are discussing this, then tough, democratic and open discussion will sometimes expose you to viewpoints and ideas that you don't find comforting.

If you're so horribly terrified and depressed by these sorts of discussions going on that it somehow makes you not want to vote, then that's not our problem--that's yours. I've voted in every single federal election I've been eligible to participate in--voting Democrat in a deep red Indiana county. Toughen up. Having your feelings hurt isn't voter suppression. Being falsely terrified of being subject to criminal penalties is suppression. Armed thugs standing outside polling places is suppression. Disenfranchising the poor through ID laws is suppression.

Enough with the damn hyperbole.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:56 PM

35. Exactly

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:37 AM

73. +1

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:42 PM

108. + 100

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:53 PM

30. Those states are still going to vote

Last time I checked those races were not canceled. Talking about the math is not voter suppression. What is more disgusting is this plan to try and get pledged delegates to vote for a candidate that they were not pledged to.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:57 PM

37. That's like the definition of suppression

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:27 PM

84. That's pretty funny, considering that GusBob is a huge HRC supporter...false flag at its finest! nt

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:00 AM

39. Nope, no longer possible. The 5 hide suspension is itself suspended

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=5098

We've also decided to try removing the current "five hides and you're out" restriction, mainly because we suspect that members would be more likely to vote to hide bad behavior if they didn't feel like one of their friends might get canned over it. So while members can still be flagged for review for getting posts hidden too quickly, there's no more five-hide suspension. And anyone who is currently suspended for getting five hides is able to post again as of now. We reserve the right to change this decision if it seems like it's having the opposite effect to what was intended.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:07 AM

41. It is very interesting that you seem to be a part of this. eom

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:09 AM

43. What is your issue with the site-owner's decision?

The site-owner being Skinner, of course.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:14 AM

48. No, apparently they take orders from me, haven't you heard? It's Leser Underground!

 

Cue the evil laugh: Bwahahahahahahahaha... cough cough...

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #48)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:52 AM

69. Now I'm pissed.

Why didn't you tell me that this is now LeserUnderground?

I would have spent a lot more time here if I'd known.

Thanks for nuthin', Steven.


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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #69)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:53 AM

70. I know, right? I'm pissed too. I want my share of the profits, retroactive to 2001.

 

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Response to Hekate (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:20 AM

54. To answer your question, her issue is that silencing Hillary supporters was an organized tactic

 

of Sanders supporters that has now been taken away.

That's the only answer that makes sense given her response and attitude. She's mad that all those Hillary supporters can post again.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:36 AM

63. How about

 

that the worst, most abusive posters have been given a license to troll with impunity.

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Response to melman (Reply #63)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:45 AM

67. How do you know that? I don't think that is a safe assumption.

 

My guess is that Skinner and EarlG are keeping a pretty close eye on the place after lifting the five hide rule to see if that exact thing is about to happen. I think if anyone in fact does try to take advantage of it, they will find themselves out on their backsides pretty quickly.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:10 AM

44. LOL, what are you accusing me of now? Don't be shy, spell it out, because it sounds like

 

you are accusing me of somehow being a part of DU's decision-making to alter its rules.

As if I have that much pull with Skinner and EarlG. Believe me, I don't. If I had my way, GD-P would no longer exist and the presumptive nominee rules would be in effect.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:04 AM

40. Now THAT is disgusting and Un-democratic.

JURY: Poster advises that the way to "manage HRC supporters on DU" is to "Build up hides on them so that they get time outs on DU." It is this plan I am characterizing as disgusting.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:19 AM

52. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service..


On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:08 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Here's what you do to manage the HRC supporters on DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1511414

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster says the way "to manage HRC supporters on DU" is to "build up hides on them so that they get time outs on DU."


JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:13 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a dick move, but I do not see how this message is a DU TOS violation
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Well it's a strategy that certainly has been employed on Sanders supporters as well. Real stinko stuff either way. Vote to hide.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: That certainly puts the problem right out front doesn't it ?
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is so wrong to do and the poster must not have read Skinner's post yet. I just finished it. If you cannot argue why your candidate is better you are better off being quiet. You make your candidate look less desirable when you stoop to low blows.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a hard one. The advice violates the spirit of DU, and the post is manipulative AND divisive, but I think this is something that can be addressed with a rebuke rather than a deletion.

In addition, as the alerter says, the five-hide rule has been suspended, so the poster's impotent.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:40 AM

65. Gusbob messaged me, he was being sarcastic. I thought that could be the case but I told him...

 

that he should have used the :sarc: tag.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:59 PM

38. Tsk. This is just a discussion board. In real life I expect most of the Dem voters...

...will pull together when the time comes. If that means "falling in line" to you, so be it. May I remind you that you don't have to if you don't want to.

But on this discussion board, as opposed to real life, I don't expect any help AT ALL from most of the Bernie supporters who post here. They have made it plain that they think HRC is a criminal, felon, murderer, thief, and all the other RW-sourced stuff from the past 30 years, so I mostly just leave them alone and don't bother.

I'm not going to try to convert anyone here, any more than I try to convert my next door neighbor who is an Evangelical Christian Republican. He's actually a great neighbor -- I just resolutely refuse to discuss religion, politics, or social policy with him.

I believe in civility. I wish we had some more of it here. Spread the word.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:19 AM

53. Like x 1000000

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:08 AM

42. LET them scream.

 

For the reasons you stated.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:11 AM

45. Bernie supporters will either show up for Hillary or they won't.

Either the Supreme Court will matter to them, or it won't. That's the size of it. Meanwhile, every dollar being spent for Bernie is a dollar not spent against Trump.

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Response to Chichiri (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:13 AM

47. And every dollar being spent having to campaign against Bernie

 

is a dollar not being spent campaigning against Trump.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:21 AM

55. Precisely. nt

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:11 AM

46. Again, what it comes down to is a simple issue of "the numbers"

If Sanders runs every single state left on the calendar at 60%-40%, he only winds up with a net +90 over Clinton; that is how deep of a math hole he's in today.

We know that's not going to happen, and if we dose those numbers with some cold realism...KY, Wash DC, 70% for Hillary, split NY and NJ, she's back on top.

Math. Sorry, but it is what it is.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:16 AM

51. I can understand their attitude

 

None of this was supposed to happen. Sanders was supposed to be nothing more then the flavor of the week, a flavor that nobody would remember by now. "Was it vanilla? Lemon, perhaps? Ah, who cares!" This is tough on them because it undermines the notion that Clinton is a steamroller, a force of nature, and so on. She is vulnerable, and can be effectively opposed by such an unlikely candidate as Bernie Sanders, and old guy from a small state who enjoys faint support from within the party. If he can give her a run for her money, imagine what a time she would have battling Donald Trump.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #51)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:30 AM

60. I understand a lot of this, but their effort to

shut down the primaries, as well as telling everyone
that it is over.....

Well, I think that the West coast people will be only
too happy to be told that their voices or votes are
totally useless.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #60)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:31 AM

61. WA voter here. Voting for Bernie on March 26!

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:23 AM

57. After a year of running a campaign claiming that anyone who didn't support their candidate

was a sexist and racist white male, they are trying to plead for unity before the primary is over? Fuck them.

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Response to jfern (Reply #57)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:24 PM

81. Won't matter if the primary is over or not.

 

If this ends with Clinton getting the nomination the only path forward for progressives who want a Democratic Party for the left will be to throw support to Jill Stein. Sure as hell can't support the Clinton mad dash to the right and war against progressive principles.

If the Greens can break 5% support nationally and secure equal ballot access and public funding that will game change the next election. The party will have no choice but to turn left to secure its base instead of fucking them over then daring them not to support them by using the GOP as a threat.

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Response to gcomeau (Reply #81)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:53 PM

111. Bernie should have threatened a 3rd party run if they ddin't treat him with

some basic respect.

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Response to jfern (Reply #111)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:28 PM

118. That is not Bernie though

he lacks the vindictive mean streak so common in DC. It is not about him, it's about the voters.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:26 AM

59. Don't forget that Bernie will need all the help he can get should he win the nomination

 

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #59)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 12:50 AM

68. Thank you, and it would need a terrific effort

for that, I understand that quite well.

However, my point was somewhat different.

Should HRC win the nomination, I don't think that
the efforts on just this board, but overall, to try to
tell people that their efforts to keep Bernie going,
is not only futile but hurts their candidate is a great
way to backfire for the GE.

The ball for this is in the court of the HRC campaign,
and "they have nowhere else to go" may just give a
tremendous boost to J. Stein.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 03:13 AM

74. If they really belived Bernie had no chance,

they wouldn't be trying to get rid of him and depress his voters to lower the results.

If they really thought it was all over they'd want Bernie to stay in, to increase her media coverage. Once there's no race, there's nothing to cover. The convention won't be until months from now.

Tune them out, and work and vote and donate as if every vote were the tie breaker. It might be that close. But don't quit till the end.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:18 PM

76. Suppression? Don't you think you are going overboard with this?

 

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:19 PM

77. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 


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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:22 PM

79. So now Bernie fans are down to issuing threats?

 

Well that's gonna win many voters to your side no doubt

Good and clear sign of a failed candidacy though. Congrats OP.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:25 PM

82. Reminds me of this scene

Who around here plays Bill the Butcher's role????

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:27 PM

83. How does one sleep at night

knowing they are backing Hillary Clinton?

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Response to NowSam (Reply #83)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:40 PM

107. They are masters of doublethink.

 

Doublethink is the act of ordinary people simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Somewhat related but almost the opposite is cognitive dissonance, where contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

George Orwell created the word doublethink in his dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984); doublethink is part of newspeak. In the novel, its origin within the typical citizen is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother's formal brainwashing programmes,[2] the novel explicitly shows people learning Doublethink and newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to "fit in", or gain status within the Party to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize let alone mention any contradiction within the context of the Party line was akin to blasphemy, and could subject that someone to possible disciplinary action and to the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members.


For example, Hillary's campaign has claimed two contradictory beliefs as correct:

Funding campaigns with corporate money is great!

and

Hillary is a proud progressive!

Note that a key component of doublethink is that it is "notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction." Thus, the ability to sleep at night knowing that they support the campaign of a politician who stands diametrically opposed to many of the core beliefs they claim to have.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:29 PM

85. I say the same thing to everyone: Do not base your vote on the supporters of any candidate.

Or the detractors of any candidate.

Base your vote on the candidate, period.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:39 PM

87. So you're making unfounded accusations about them? We're a bit disgusted too, we see the

 

vile posts and the misogyny that's been allowed to fester here, the bullying, the stalking, the dishonesty. Don't forget that in the GE, the few BS supporters who are threatening to take their ball and go home were never going to vote Dem anyway, which leave the rest of the Bernie supporters, and BERNIE HIMSELF, along with quite a lot of anti-Trump votes from all sides of the aisle will also be in play.

We have no need to intimidate or bully anyone, no threats, and if anyone wishes to pout and punish us all by voting Trump or not voting or writing in or whatever, you're perfectly welcome to, real Dems, real progressives, real liberals are not subscribing to this nonsense and they like us, are voting blue in the GE, and were always going to. In fact those of us who voted for her in the primaries when were planning to sit out, did so due to the abuse, the hate and the bullying tactics of the more, shall we say "passionate" of the Bernie supporters, the ones the media has been describing as the bros who swarm in groups.

That shout of "get out alreaedy" is one that has been often shouted by the BS supporters demanding that HRC drop out so that Bernie need not be bothered with earning votes and delegates, and it started early.

Your attempts to threaten us, intimidate us, and beat us into submission is kind of pointless, and if you take your ball and go home, do so, just stop haranguing us about it and breathlessly pasting whatever the Daily Caller and Rove has fed you about how there is an indictment coming and how harassing pledged delegates and superdelegates is totally not a violation of the will of the voters, who are overwhelmingly voting for her, and who will be perfectly happy to vote for her, and even those who will vote against Trump.

Your ball is not necessary and we have no interest in pleading with you, or even asking you to vote rationally in the GE.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:06 PM

92. I don't know who has been saying that

 

I figured out a LONG time ago DU Berners would not vote for Hillary and Never wasted my time to convince them. I moved on to fire up our own base. I've heard Bernie can win a General not Hillary etc etc.. If true he would have Hillary voters on his side. He doesn't. VOTE who you want to. END of discussion

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:07 PM

93. Trash & Ignore are my favorite features - I don't see most of the nasty anymore.

 

It makes DU a better experience.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:12 PM

95. Um, *lynching* is voter suppression.

Doing back of the napkin math isn't. Hey, I don't get to vote until June, and it will be all over but the shouting. I will still vote though. Isn't that amazing?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #95)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:50 PM

97. this

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:23 PM

102. K&R

For reality

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:07 PM

109. DUs very own Bastille Day. Lot's of returning Hillary folk. I wonder where they have been?

Thanks Skinner!

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #109)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 05:08 PM

110. Our voices were "supressed", to use the OP's term.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:13 PM

112. Thank you!

 

I couldn't possibly agree more. By the way, I'm a refugee from dailykos. They're erasing all anti-Hillary messages there! Disgusting.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:14 PM

113. Well, then you know how many HRC supporters feel about BS supporters.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:01 PM

115. Hillary is not a Democrat...

The Democrat Party is Republican, many sol their souls.
I will not VOTE for her because she does not represent the Democrat Party.

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Response to Rockyj (Reply #115)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:30 PM

119. You call it the "Democrat" party? That's what we call a "tell" in poker.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:22 PM

116. I agree. Power hungry type.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:10 PM

117. I've never not voted for any presidential candidate but Democratic. I'll be on the fence if Sanders

 

is not the nominee. I'm not a Bernie-or-buster, but I don't have trust or ideological sympathy for Hillary. I hope Sanders pulls it off. I'll vote Democratic down ballot either way (of course) and I haven't made up my mind but I'm leaning toward Jill Stein if Hillary is nominated.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:33 PM

120. She won't need all the help she can get...

because she's not going to win the nomination.

Time to donate to Bernie again!

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:34 PM

121. GOTV for Bernie. Let's go to the Convention with as much

power as we can.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:36 PM

123. The purpose of the primary is to elect a president, not line Tad Devine's and Jeff Weaver's pockets

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Response to sadoldgirl (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:48 PM

124. It took you this long? The DU supporters on this board have been trying to intimidate since 2008

Back in the day we fought for Obama...now we are fighting for Sanders. They tried the same "she has already won" stuff before the first vote was cast in 2008.

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