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CURRENT AFFAIRSMarch 14, 2016
Nominating a Presidential Candidate Under Active FBI Investigation Is An Incredibly Risky Gamble
by Nathan J. Robinson
Nathan J. Robinson is a Social Policy PhD student at Harvard University, as well as an attorney and children's book author. He is the editor of Current Affairs.
So nobody should care about the damned emails. Clintons misdeed should be an internal agency matter, with procedures fixed in the future. In terms of its significance to human wellbeing, the issue is just as trivial as Bernie Sanders says it is. Clinton is right about overclassification, and its a just a shame she only became interested in the problem when it began to threaten her personally.
Yet now we have created a legal structure in which the mishandling of totally harmless classified information is treated akin to terrorism, unless Clinton is treated as being at serious risk of prosecution, we essentially acknowledge the nonexistence of the rule of law. There are two possibilities here: either we trust the Obama administration to treat this case like any other, in which case (given the governments paranoia, liberal deployment of the Espionage Act, and history of other excessive prosecutions) Clinton has a massive looming liability and nominating her would be a massive gamble. Or we believe that, while the government will eagerly make mountains out of molehills for minor Naval reservists, Hillary Clinton will receive the benefit of the doubt due to the political necessity of ensuring she becomes the Democratic nominee and keeps Trump out of the White House. And that would require us to accept some very troubling conclusions about the politicized nature of the American justice system.
In a world where we expected the law to be equally applied to all, Democrats should be panicking right now over the status of the investigations against Clinton and the Clinton campaigns troubling responses. The Washington Post has documented numerous misstatements and evasions made by Clinton around the emails, concluding that it appears Clinton often used highly technical language to obscure the salient fact that her private email setup was highly unusual and flouted existing regulations. All of this should be making Democrats panic, and sending them scrambling to find a non-indictable nominee.
But thats not happening, for a very obvious reason. Nobody seriously believes the law would be applied to Clinton with the same pitiless irrationality as it was to Bryan Nishimura. Yet that leaves us with a stark choice: either treat the Clinton scandal as troubling and a major campaign issue, or acknowledge that we are entrusting an oligarchical justice system to make the issue go away for Clinton in a way it wouldnt for anyone else. Neither choice should leave Democrats comfortable. ?
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/03/nominating-a-presidential-candidate-under-active-fbi-investigation-is-an-incredibly-risky-gamble

LWolf
(46,179 posts)nominating a candidate with such high negatives, and a candidate that doesn't poll as well against opponents in November as other choices.
It appears that the establishment, the neo-liberal wing of the party, is determined to drive off a cliff. Hopefully, they'll take responsibility in November.
yellowcanine
(36,361 posts)You can blame it on the "establishment" if you want but that is the truth.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Independent voters voted for her.
yellowcanine
(36,361 posts)I firmly believe that.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)yellowcanine
(36,361 posts)I am not comfortable with that.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)And here from all the voters
yellowcanine
(36,361 posts)So what is your beef?
vintx
(1,748 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)win the R nomination. at all.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Another possibility. Many voters are apathetic because they believe that both parties are essentially the same.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)And if Democratic voters are short-sighted enough to nominate her, then the country and the Democratic Party, along with those Democratic voters, will pay the price of that short-sightedness.
The reality is that there is a struggle within the party for party identity, and whom the party will represent. If the neo-liberal block wins, then the party will become irrelevant for the 99%. That neo-liberal block can no longer depend on the rest of the party staying at the back of the Democratic bus. Many are going to get off that bus and start finding a different way to move forward.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Y'all keep making it, and Democratic primary voters keep ignoring or discounting it.
It is a shitty and ineffective argument.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Like when she has to face the 40+% of the electorate that has no party affiliation
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Writing it is "shitty" really doesn't add much in defense of that position.
Nothing in fact!
A huge majority of likely voters have not and will not vote in the primary elections.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It's not working.
What do I need to contribute: an argument is put forth saying "Don't nominate Clinton! It's too risky!" Various forms of this nonsense have been in play for a year.
Democratic primary voters are like, "Uh, y'know what? Fuck all that. I'm voting Clinton."
Therefore, it's a shitty argument. It is completely ineffective. It doesn't work. It's not working. People are rejecting it. It's not persuasive. It's not compelling. It doesn't accomplish its rhetorical aims. How do I know? Because Hillary is running away with the nomination.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)
Matariki
(18,775 posts)what a mess you folks are creating.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)Only the security of her emails and they don't want to release everything without looking at them.
global1
(26,043 posts)yellowcanine
(36,361 posts)I don't think we can assume this to be true.
randome
(34,845 posts)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Tarc
(10,585 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Tarc
(10,585 posts)As Clinton is beating Sanders, handily, thus far, the voters feel either that it is worth the risk or that it is not a risk at all.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)will vote in the General Election.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I am going to let you in on a little secret: I think the whole email "scandal" is a load of bull designed by the GOP to hurt Clinton's Presidential campaign.
BUT.
I also know that Trump and the GOP will bang this "investigation" like a fucking gong in their fight against her. That is a FACT. They don't need an indictment to do their damage, they only need the appearance that they and the media have created. Fair or not, that is the reality we are dealing with.
Unless the whole investigation is wrapped up 100% before the GE this WILL hurt her candidacy, maybe not with Democrats but certainly with the Independents the Party will need to win.
If you don't see that, you are blind indeed.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)and representation.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)The GOP won't even have to prove anything wrong was done just refer to the investigation, over and over and over, on an endless loop. The ads write themselves.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,634 posts)to wrap up in May. Hopefully, there will be enough time to choose another nominee if need be.