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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:38 PM Mar 2016

WHOA! NYR is no RW rag! THIS IS A MUST READ! "The Clinton System"

This is an excellent investigative piece about the Clinton's donor machine and the questionable Clinton Foundation.



snip

...a larger question concerns how Hillary and Bill Clinton have built their powerful donor machine, and what its existence might mean for Hillary Clinton’s future conduct as American president. The following investigation, drawing on many different sources, is intended to give a full sense of the facts about Clinton and not to endorse a particular candidate in the coming election.


snip

It’s an axiom of Washington politics in the age of Citizens United and Super PACs that corporations and the very rich can channel almost unlimited amounts of money to candidates for high office to pave the way for later favors...But Hillary and her husband have other links to big donors, and they go back much further than the current election cycle. What stands out about what I will call the Clinton System is the scale and complexity of the connections involved, the length of time they have been in operation, the presence of former president Bill Clinton alongside Hillary as an equal partner in the enterprise, and the sheer magnitude of the funds involved.

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Among the most important, and lucrative, business friendships the Clintons have formed through the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiatives has been that with Canadian energy billionaire Frank Giustra. A major donor to the foundation for many years, Giustra became a member of its board and since 2007 has been co-sponsor of the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, or CGGI. In turn, Bill Clinton’s political influence and personal contacts with foreign heads of state have been crucial to Giustra’s international business interests.

In September 2005, Bill Clinton and Giustra travelled to Almaty, in southeast Kazakhstan, to meet with Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev. At their meeting Clinton told Nazarbayev that he would support Kazakhstan’s bid to become chair of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The OSCE is a body with the responsibility for verifying, among other things, the fairness of elections among member states. According to multiple sources, including the BBC, The Washington Post, and The New York Times, Nazarbayev coveted this position for Kazakhstan, primarily as a mark of European diplomatic respectability for his country and himself.

Clinton’s endorsement of the Kazakh bid was truly bizarre in view of Kazakhstan’s ranking by Transparency International as among the most corrupt countries in the world...

SNIP

Possible reasons for Clinton’s support become clearer when we scrutinize the activities of Frank Giustra. In a January 31, 2008 article in The New York Times, Jo Becker and Don Van Natta, Jr., provided detailed evidence that Nazarbayev brought his influence to bear to enable Giustra to beat out better-qualified competitors for a stake in Kazakhstan’s uranium mines worth $350 million.

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The deal was closed within forty-eight hours of Clinton’s departure from Almaty. Following this successful visit to Central Asia, Giustra donated $31 million to the Clinton Foundation. He then made a further donation of $100 million to the foundation in June 2008.





http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/




























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WHOA! NYR is no RW rag! THIS IS A MUST READ! "The Clinton System" (Original Post) snagglepuss Mar 2016 OP
Love this nugget from the article: think Mar 2016 #1
Quite the nugget. nt snagglepuss Mar 2016 #7
The one that bugs me the most was BC being paid $600,000 to make a speech for Dutch insurer Achmea Baobab Mar 2016 #144
And this Government employee gets fired for accepting a 20 dollar tip... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #151
compliance is for thee, not for Her Majesty AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #155
In other countries it's bribery.... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #165
arrgh Baobab Mar 2016 #167
But the CLintons walk away with a cool 150 million Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #174
Yikes! H2O Man Mar 2016 #17
Yay, corruption. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #21
Do you think Rachel Maddow is too sold out... Rockyj Mar 2016 #43
I don't watch her show, nor any of msnbc...so I don't know. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #44
I'm going into withdrawal when Al Jazerra is gone. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #177
Rachel has gone over to the dark side. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #62
Nearly EVERYONE prominent is gonna go over to the Dark Side... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #67
Uh, YES! BillZBubb Mar 2016 #102
Yes, she's too sold out. noamnety Mar 2016 #136
At a Quarter-mill a pop, per corp? appal_jack Mar 2016 #42
Another juicy nugget. Foreign govt $$$ to Clinton Foundation while Clinton was SecState, quid pro? peacebird Mar 2016 #53
.^that 840high Mar 2016 #109
The US Foriegn Corrupt Practice Act says... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #152
Nice bunch there UglyGreed Mar 2016 #66
Hillary's base, IOW farleftlib Mar 2016 #99
+a zillion - what a racket. 840high Mar 2016 #108
clearly, Clinton supporters DO NOT care about corruption. Agony Mar 2016 #2
Human beings are extremely skilled bjo59 Mar 2016 #26
I get this just about every post. Phlem Mar 2016 #92
Dysfunction is in every job..... FarPoint Mar 2016 #51
I think your statement only serves to reinforce the point you're responding to. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #87
ugh. Phlem Mar 2016 #96
This goes TOO FAR! Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #154
The Facts On Hillary Are Readily Available... The Problem Is The Lemmings... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #146
We need to stand behind Sanders now. MSM is out to make him step out..Enough bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #3
...! n/t KoKo Mar 2016 #69
the real problem is neoliberalism and a cover up of its real goal, which is reversing the good. Baobab Mar 2016 #145
Good read. Thank you /nt think Mar 2016 #4
But it's all for charity tk2kewl Mar 2016 #5
Charity? monicaangela Mar 2016 #93
Hillary was paying Sidney Blumenthal something like $120,000 from the Foundation snagglepuss Mar 2016 #125
OMG! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #164
Simon Head nails it when he calls this a "system" because it is so massive and complex. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #169
I see there is a long article in the WP today Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #170
Do you mean an article about the Foundation? I think it's scandalous that the NYT snagglepuss Mar 2016 #171
She doubled arms sales to dodgy countries as SOS following donations to the Clinton Foundation. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #6
Some call it influence peddling FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #8
If she's elected, good times for Hill, Bill, Barack, Donald and all their 1% er friends. nc4bo Mar 2016 #9
The Clintons are in it for the money. I hope I won't thereismore Mar 2016 #10
Author of the Piece noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #11
Clearly just another RW hit piece, hence the lack of any commentary by Clinton's supporters. vintx Mar 2016 #12
Oh don't be so hard on them noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #16
LOL no shit, it's hilarious how the posts are so similar, and come in waves... vintx Mar 2016 #18
I like the one noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #23
Exactly Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #54
Sheesh...I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that :) tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #105
14 hours and not a peep. They want to bury this story because they snagglepuss Mar 2016 #57
This article is from JANUARY. Lather, rinse, repeat. MADem Mar 2016 #50
Thanks for those links astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #58
"It's old news!" yodermon Mar 2016 #64
It's not like milk, you know. It doesn't expire. RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #68
No, it's like bread--it becomes stale, and moldy. MADem Mar 2016 #71
Case in point: One of the day's more high-minded threads is sinking like a stone RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #70
LOL... two threads in Good Reads is "plastered all over DU." SMC22307 Mar 2016 #117
All the Clinton foundation based attacks on Hillary have a similar structure stevenleser Mar 2016 #129
"...conducting diplomacy on behalf of the US..." ? Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #157
I find your lack of support Aerows Mar 2016 #13
lol Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #22
This represents the foreign policy we would vote into the WH felix_numinous Mar 2016 #14
Required reading. H2O Man Mar 2016 #19
Yes it is noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #25
Seriously .... H2O Man Mar 2016 #29
Agree noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #31
Wow, wonder how many kickbacks Carter got from the Clinton Foundation Onlooker Mar 2016 #20
Probably none. At that time many believed the Clinton spin... Raster Mar 2016 #27
You obviously did not read the article so its pointless to respond. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #40
The Clinton's stooped so low Politicalboi Mar 2016 #86
Covered in slime... AzDar Mar 2016 #24
There's a surprising absence revbones Mar 2016 #28
Hmm Gwhittey Mar 2016 #30
No. The Borg Queen has not given the "defend" signal. Raster Mar 2016 #33
More like the "Rat" signal Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #38
power corrupts and obviously it knows not the D from the R tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #32
+10000 amborin Mar 2016 #147
With all the Clinton power xloadiex Mar 2016 #34
are you talking about election fraud? grasswire Mar 2016 #36
They copy the Conservative playbook times 10. glinda Mar 2016 #47
Well, I have noticed druidity33 Mar 2016 #48
sickening sickening grasswire Mar 2016 #35
It never ends, it seems.... deeper you dig, more ugly stuff... nt kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #37
20+ YEARS OF IT. 840high Mar 2016 #110
sigh.... and ppl get used to it kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #111
Here's another good one from the same source. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #39
Thats a terrific piece. It really deserves it's own thread. nt snagglepuss Mar 2016 #41
Thanks, Rocco. Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #45
I like this picture of Bernie ALittleBirdie Mar 2016 #83
kick surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #46
K & R nt Casandia Mar 2016 #49
Great article astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #52
Well if this ties in with the email problem, Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #55
We have to wonder...Who would Proscecute this? KoKo Mar 2016 #61
I'm late to this, don't know why I missed it. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #63
This is bigger than the damn emails. alarimer Mar 2016 #56
It is bigger which is why NYT tucked it away in NYR. There is no reason this is in NYR snagglepuss Mar 2016 #114
I had no idea they were this corrupt. CrispyQ Mar 2016 #59
Agreed - How Could Any Democrat - In Good Conscience - Vote For Such An Unethical Candidate cantbeserious Mar 2016 #81
Alert! Baggage car overflow! Alert the CYA writers! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #60
They are as corrupt as the Bush family Doctor_J Mar 2016 #65
K&R LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #72
K&R CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #73
Ugh. AzDar Mar 2016 #74
Kick and rec. n/t ms liberty Mar 2016 #75
K&R Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #76
Holy hell!! dana_b Mar 2016 #77
According to google searches no one has covered this brilliant, damning piece of snagglepuss Mar 2016 #85
it sure does. This is dana_b Mar 2016 #122
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #78
The Corporatist Clinton Corruption Exposed For All The World To See - Yet The DNC Looks Askance cantbeserious Mar 2016 #79
K & R RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #80
K&R StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #82
k & r wendylaroux Mar 2016 #84
K&R Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #88
Their followers don't care what they've done or will do. There new motto is "The Ends Justify The rhett o rick Mar 2016 #89
A handful of those on DU may not care but many other Clinton supporters assume all snagglepuss Mar 2016 #94
It truly is shocking astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #98
Such a nice man, the Kazahk prez. How could anyone refuse. It would be an insult. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #101
Wow! The wheels of justice sure turn slow in some cases monicaangela Mar 2016 #90
This, not her emails is the real scandal. pa28 Mar 2016 #91
For some reason this piece written almost 2 months ago has got no attention. Everyone needs snagglepuss Mar 2016 #97
From the article - just oozes trustworthiness FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #95
And poor Hill was so broke she had to be driven in a 2 year old armored limo leveymg Mar 2016 #100
K & R Thanks, very informative. And serious. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #103
Just Wow! farleftlib Mar 2016 #104
I think this ties in with her SOS gig. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #106
Obama banned Blumenthal from his administration... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #159
She is a disastrous candidate. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #160
Kicking again, for posterity! Juicy_Bellows Mar 2016 #107
K&R Stardust Mar 2016 #112
Tough to read this stuff. But people just don't want to hear it, or even entertain believing it. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #113
Interesting observation. I've always wanted to know the darker side of practically everything, snagglepuss Mar 2016 #124
K&R IDemo Mar 2016 #115
Marking to read later Autumn Mar 2016 #116
K&R senz Mar 2016 #118
One of the most disturbing articles I've ever read about politics and corruption Impedimentus Mar 2016 #119
K&R Impedimentus Mar 2016 #120
a worldwide marketplace selling influence and legislation GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #123
K&R ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #126
K & R, extremely important! - eom dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #127
K&R TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #128
K&R grasswire Mar 2016 #130
K&R (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #131
knr snagglepuss Mar 2016 #132
Our so-called democracy is sick. tabasco Mar 2016 #133
Every Adult In America Should Read This Article Impedimentus Mar 2016 #134
This should have been on the NYT's front page but instead it got hidden in NYR Daily. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #135
Kick. artislife Mar 2016 #137
kicked snagglepuss Mar 2016 #138
Bookmarking to read another day. merrily Mar 2016 #139
staggering corruption amborin Mar 2016 #140
I don't understand how any Clinton supporter can read this and not reconsider their position. Impedimentus Mar 2016 #141
it's a well-researched and shocking article amborin Mar 2016 #142
Kickety-kick. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #143
Interesting! Lone_Wolf Mar 2016 #148
K&R n/t baran Mar 2016 #149
There seems to be nothing else to Hillary Rodham Clinton, but this amoral shit. delrem Mar 2016 #150
K&R AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #153
K & R! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #156
Curious - Why Do Hillary Supporters avoid these facts? quantumjunkie Mar 2016 #158
For an all too common human failing IDemo Mar 2016 #163
should the movers & shakers of the world stop making social contacts with each other? Sunlei Mar 2016 #161
A MUST READ nt quantumjunkie Mar 2016 #162
Adding another k&r TransitJohn Mar 2016 #166
Shared azmom Mar 2016 #168
this is required reading amborin Mar 2016 #172
kick HughLefty1 Mar 2016 #173
Corruption! Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #175
Just gotta follow the money! KPN Apr 2016 #176
Kicking this up top for another review a month later! mrdmk Apr 2016 #178
K&R -- this should be shared widely senz Apr 2016 #179
kickiing snagglepuss Apr 2016 #180
 

think

(11,641 posts)
1. Love this nugget from the article:
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016


Among the corporate sponsors of the 2014 and 2015 CGI conferences in New York City, for example, were HSBC, Coca Cola, Monsanto, Proctor and Gamble, Cisco, PricewaterhouseCoopers, the Blackstone Group, Goldman Sachs, Exxon Mobile, Microsoft, and Hewlett Packard. For sponsorship of $250,000 or more, corporate executives attending the CGI meetings can enjoy special privileges up to and including direct access to the Clintons.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
144. The one that bugs me the most was BC being paid $600,000 to make a speech for Dutch insurer Achmea
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:05 AM
Mar 2016

while the second of the two arbitral investor v. state lawsuits between them and the Slovak Republic (over single payer health care!) was still pending.

You can read a summary of the case starting around Page 13 here:

http://www.italaw.com/sites/default/files/case-documents/italaw3207.pdf

Its my strong conviction that thanks to our membership in the WTO something quite similar could easily happen to us in the near future. And there would be nothing we could do about it at that point. It would hijack democracy successfully, forcing us to keep a system that kills 100,000 Americans unnecessarily each year.

Then they will claim that its caused by what they of course will allege are "high wages in US health care" (but thats not really so true nor is THAT the problem causing high costs, its the huge waste created by the complexity and extra useless layers of the insurance system)

and allege that a law passed to get the US to allow foreign health insurance firms and a globalization of service jobs at low wages would supposedly lower health care costs (as opposed to its real goal, keeping the current tiered insurance system, which adds absolutely no value, and the need less addition of delay on people seeking care and the systems pointless addition of time spent arguing with the insurance industry bean counters adds complexity and stress and delays and failure to diagnose until its undeniable increases the cost of health care substantially.)

For 20 years they have been setting up GATS to dismember services globally (the last addition to the body count has been India's constitutional right to education) Vastly expanding the use of GATS "Mode Four" (irreversible global privatizations followed by procurement changes - (such as mandating something like the WTO's Government procurement Agreement's e-portal) to force millions of current public sector jobs into privatization and then global competitive bidding by subcontractors - forcing big chunks of large service sectors like health care and education into what is in effect a big international jobs for markets scheme) is the goal sabotaging what they will soon claim are dysfunctional health care and education and IT systems unnecessarily to 'justify' these really badly advised changes in high paid skilled services, with the intent of chopping wages in teaching and nursing and IT way down, changes which would hurt millions of skilled Americans' families and ruin our faith in our nation's leadership.

But by then it would have become too late to change it.



Avalon Sparks

(2,560 posts)
151. And this Government employee gets fired for accepting a 20 dollar tip...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:00 AM
Mar 2016

As a Compliance Officer for a US company, I've used this example when training our sales people about bribing government employees for bids....


http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2014/02/04/Garbageman-forced-out-fined-1500-for-accepting-20-tip/51391391545480/

I honestly don't know how the Clintons get away with it.....

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
44. I don't watch her show, nor any of msnbc...so I don't know.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:34 PM
Mar 2016

It is slim pickens on msm. My schlock network is CNN but I get Al Jazerra and
BBC through our satellite provider too.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
177. I'm going into withdrawal when Al Jazerra is gone.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

End of the month, I think.

I have no idea what I'll watch for news.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
67. Nearly EVERYONE prominent is gonna go over to the Dark Side...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

... unless we change our rigged system soon.

Those who steadfastly resist the siren song are usually demonized or, worse, completely marginalized. (Of course, there's an even worse outcome: e.g. 4/4/68.)

That's what makes Bernie and his supporters so special.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
136. Yes, she's too sold out.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

There's a reason we are reading it here, and wondering if she would ever report it - instead of hearing about it from her and coming here to post about her report.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
42. At a Quarter-mill a pop, per corp?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

At a Quarter-mill a pop, some of the Wall St. Speaking gig fees look like comparative small potatoes. Of course, that's only because we have multiple, six-figure level compromisings of the Clintons in-play at present. Monsanto was cetainly willing to pony-up the big bucks. I wonder what they expect in return? How about Goldman Sachs & Price Waterhouse Cooper? These companies only make investments, and never give gifts...

-app

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
53. Another juicy nugget. Foreign govt $$$ to Clinton Foundation while Clinton was SecState, quid pro?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:13 AM
Mar 2016
Among the most striking and troubling aspects of the Clinton System are the large contributions corporations and foreign governments have made to the Clinton Foundation, along with Bill Clinton’s readiness to accept six-figure speaking fees from some of them, at times when the donors themselves had a potential financial interest in decisions being made at Hillary Clinton’s State Department. An investigation published in April 2015 by Andrew Perez, David Sirota and Matthew Cunningham-Cook at International Business Times shows that during the three-year period from October 2009 through December 2012, when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, there were at least thirteen occasions—collectively worth $2.5 million—when Bill Clinton received a six-figure speaking fee from corporations or trade groups that, according to Federal Government records, were at the time engaged in lobbying at the State Department.

These payments to Bill Clinton in 2010 included: $175,000 from VeriSign Corporation, which was engaged in lobbying at the State Department on cybersecurity and Internet taxation; $175,000 from Microsoft, which was lobbying the government on the issuance of immigrant work visas; $200,000 from SalesForce, a firm that lobbied the government on digital security issues, among other things. In 2011, these payments included: $200,000 from Goldman Sachs, which was lobbying on the Budget Control Act; and $200,000 from PhRMA, the trade association representing drug companies, which was seeking special trade protections for US-innovated drugs in the Trans-Pacific Partnership then being negotiated.

Avalon Sparks

(2,560 posts)
152. The US Foriegn Corrupt Practice Act says...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:15 AM
Mar 2016

You cannot offer something of value to a Government Official, (or their close relatives) with the intent to influence a favorable business decision.

Again, I don't know how they get away with it.

I'm a Compliance Officer for a large company in the US that is owned by a foreign entity. I train employees on the FCPA rules, and review/approve contributions (including donations to foundations) and gifts & hospitality offered to government employees or entities.

I would never approve speaking fees for a government employee, we would only cover their travel costs.

Again, I don't know how the Clintons get away with it.

Yes former government officials get offered speaking fees, and sometimes even cushy jobs when they retire from government.

But the revolving Clinton door in and out of government, and the acceptance of these 'gifts' is preposterous to me.


 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
99. Hillary's base, IOW
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

Good article. It's blatantly obvious what we're getting ourselves into here. Direct access to the Clintons. That money is not a gift that comes with no strings. We all know that.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
26. Human beings are extremely skilled
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

at shutting out of their minds anything they do not want to know about, at substituting fantasies for reality. The effects of this human characteristic have been, and will continue to be, tragically self destructive. Damn it.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
92. I get this just about every post.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

"See no evil hear no evil"!

Also got this nice nugget too from the fountain of Clinton supporters: "There aren't anymore politicians that care about governing".

So basically, get in line and do the march.

Exactly what Democracy is all about!

FarPoint

(12,293 posts)
51. Dysfunction is in every job.....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:40 AM
Mar 2016

There is the standard and then the reality... This applies to politics as well. One must be adult enough to weed through it and weigh out what is being accomplished and we're you fit into the job....I apply this to politics as well. I do not have unrealistic expectations. I'm fine with Hillary.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
154. This goes TOO FAR!
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:09 AM
Mar 2016

This is way beyond "everybody does it."

This, in my opinion, is WHY the FBI has 150 agents on the Clinton case, and, believe me, they are NOT after mere classification errors.

There is "playing the game" and there is crime. There is "taking their money and voting against them" and there is your husband "taking their money" and you, as Sec of State, handing out the rewards.

There are CORPORATE 'ethics' vs the ethics of a PUBLIC SERVANT.

I don't know if you have any idea what I'm saying. It is this: Business ethics may stink to high heaven. Should the ethics of public service IMITATE that stink?

You say "I'm fine with Hillary." Have you ever known what a public servant is? Are you too young to know? Or are you just blind?

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
145. the real problem is neoliberalism and a cover up of its real goal, which is reversing the good.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

changes which occurred in the 20th century.

For example, this paper describes the biggest and least known reason our health care system is so broken and remains broken through Administration after Administration- a trade agreement!- and explains how and why this is the case. It also indirectly explains one of the main causes of the 2008 financial disaster, again - thats not commonly known)

Can you folks look at the linked paper (the PDF at the page linked) maybe download it- and let me know you have it and will read it ?

When you have a bit of time to read it, you will see that the situation it describes is likely one of the major reasons Bernie Sanders is being kept out of the media.

They are afraid he will spill the beans on that. A really horrible situation that demands some kind of national discussion, that the media has successfully hidden from the country for 20+ years.


Contrast the lack of discussion here with the quite active discussion in India about the very same deal forcing them to give up their Constitutional right to education, just last year.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
125. Hillary was paying Sidney Blumenthal something like $120,000 from the Foundation
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

for his secret advisory role to her when she was SoS. Interesting charity, that.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
169. Simon Head nails it when he calls this a "system" because it is so massive and complex.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

This complexity makes it hard to see the whole picture. Easy to think one has a handle on it and then bam more crap is revealed. It's all so devious yet neither of them bat an eye, a fact that I find very disturbing.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
171. Do you mean an article about the Foundation? I think it's scandalous that the NYT
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

ostensibly hid Head's article in Book Reviews. I wonder if Head's article brought this to a head (no pun intended). The shocking thing about Head's article is that over the years these various stories have been reported but no one else seems to have connected the dots.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
6. She doubled arms sales to dodgy countries as SOS following donations to the Clinton Foundation.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016
Further research done by Sirota and Perez of International Business Times and based on US government and Clinton Foundation data shows that during her term the State Department authorized $165 billion in commercial arms sales to twenty nations that had given money to the Clinton Foundation. These include the governments of Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, all of whose records on human rights had been criticized by the State Department itself. During Hillary Clinton’s years as secretary of state, arms sales to the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation ran at nearly double the value of sales to the same nations during George W. Bush’s second term. There was also an additional $151 billion worth of armaments sold to sixteen nations that had donated funds to the Clinton Foundation; these were deals organized by the Pentagon but which could only be completed with Hillary Clinton’s authorization as secretary of state. They were worth nearly one and a half times the value of equivalent sales during Bush’s second term.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
9. If she's elected, good times for Hill, Bill, Barack, Donald and all their 1% er friends.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

One bignhappy family!

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


thereismore

(13,326 posts)
10. The Clintons are in it for the money. I hope I won't
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

have to witness the merger of the WH and the Clinton Foundation. Can you imagine how much money will flow if she becomes President?

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
11. Author of the Piece
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

Simon Head is an Associate Fellow at the Rothermere American Institute at Oxford and a Scholar at the Institute for Public Knowledge at New York University. His most recent book is The New Ruthless Economy: Work and Power in the Digital Age. (January 2011)

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
15. Oh don't be so hard on them
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

they have to wait until the Clinton campaign gives them the right spin to address this information.

Response to noretreatnosurrender (Reply #15)

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
18. LOL no shit, it's hilarious how the posts are so similar, and come in waves...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:37 PM
Mar 2016

the latest talking point - the one about his campaign being manned by a corrupt group of money-grabbers - that one has to be the best one yet

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
23. I like the one
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016

that says don't give your money to Bernie give it to Hillary. I posted in another thread that anytime the Hillary supporters post those kind of horseshit threads that everyone should donate to Bernie. Don't even bother posting a comment except to say you donated.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
105. Sheesh...I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that :)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

Their comments are worded almost exactly the same. They must also get a prize if they are the first poster on an OP.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
57. 14 hours and not a peep. They want to bury this story because they
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:23 AM
Mar 2016

can't spin the meticulous research and the GLUT of damning facts.

This story needs to kicked regularly. I wish someone could make a short video, just the Kahzakh story with the 100 million dollar kickback to the Clinton Foundation would be eyeopening for those millions who have tuned out or denied the momumental degree of corruption.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. This article is from JANUARY. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:35 AM
Mar 2016

I know recycling is good for the environment, but you're going to have to find new complaints, eventually.

It was plastered all over DU ages ago. It was met with a ho-hum back then, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016143438

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016137429#post10

SS,DD.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
68. It's not like milk, you know. It doesn't expire.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

Besides, the glut of information on this site and the sometimes refreshingly equitable treatment of all threads means this story could've been overshadowed by Oscar picks, the upcoming Super Bowl, or perhaps even breaking news about Justin Bieber.

https://m.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. No, it's like bread--it becomes stale, and moldy.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

After a time, you just have to accept that some dogs aren't hunting, and trying to make them so do is seen as forced, at best.

Better to sell a candidate with a positive, uplifting message than try to trash the opponent. All that does is solidify the loyal supporters and make the fence sitters wonder why that's the go-to tactic. From many reports, that aggressive bullying, dire prognostications of frog marching, indictments (not in any number of "business hours" fortunately) and dismissive attitude (to include the finger wagging and tut-tutting) just didn't make the sale in the Five State Sweep. In fact, it quite viscerally turned a LOT of people off.

Unless Beiber has pulled a Ted Cruz, joined our party, and filed nomination papers, I'm hopeful we won't see him in GD-P....I suppose it could happen if he's being thrown out of a candidate town hall/rally!

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
117. LOL... two threads in Good Reads is "plastered all over DU."
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for the links. Missed them the first go-round.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
129. All the Clinton foundation based attacks on Hillary have a similar structure
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

Something bad happened in the world, and somehow, someone related to that bad thing made a donation at some point to the Clinton foundation. Oh and there is a shocked surprise that the Secretary of State, who basically travels everywhere and meets with the most powerful people in each country making deals and conducting diplomacy on behalf of the US, at some point either met or was in the same location as that person. So without any evidence, quid pro quo and all kinds of other scurrilous accusations are made.

The problem is, as we have told folks posting these things several times, the plural of anecdotes is not data and quid-pro-quos have to be proven by direct evidence, not innuendo and scurrilous accusations.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
157. "...conducting diplomacy on behalf of the US..." ?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:29 AM
Mar 2016

Right.

Like toppling the democratically elected president of Honduras, and unleashing fascist death squads on women like Berta Caceres (winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize)--hundreds of women murdered, raped, imprisoned for peacefully opposing the coup?

THAT totally fucked up President Obama's intention to improve U.S. relations with Latin America right at the beginning of his presidency (June '09). He and Kerry are trying to repair that damage now--with Obama's visit to Cuba and support for the Colombia/FARC peace talks.

Or how about the "diplomacy" Clinton "conducted on behalf of the US" by spreading the Islamic civil war from Iraq to Libya to Syria? That was just brilliant! Now Obama is sending U.S. troops over there again, because the entire region has been destabilized!

Clinton is being advised by Henry (2 million slaughtered in Southeast Asia) Kissinger and Robert (PNAC) Kagan (designer of Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld's horrific disaster in the ME)!!! What are they planning to use Clinton for? NOT "diplomacy"!

By defending Clinton's corrupt and murderous "diplomacy," you've earned another donation to Bernie Sanders.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. I find your lack of support
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

for enriching yourself and your fellows via colonialism and empire disturbing.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
14. This represents the foreign policy we would vote into the WH
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:33 PM
Mar 2016

and we need to be aware that Hillary AND Bill would be in the WH, and only a fool would believe Bill will not be an active participant in making policy.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
20. Wow, wonder how many kickbacks Carter got from the Clinton Foundation
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

Are these kinds of sleazy attacks on the Clintons all the Sanders people have left? My goodness, they are taking the low road. If Sanders stooped so low, I think he'd be losing by even larger numbers.

http://www.nfid.org/awards/clinton.pdf

Raster

(20,998 posts)
27. Probably none. At that time many believed the Clinton spin...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

...now many of the very same people see things quite differently.

Go ahead, turn away, pretend "The Hillary Era" will be a shining beacon of political transparency and morality.

And yes, faced with the prospect of "The Donald" in the White House or "The Clintons," most logical, thinking persons will go for the Clintons...

...and then the investigations, "witch hunts," and vast conspiracies will begin. Hillary Clinton's ONLY FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE, will mirror her husband's last four. The new rethuglicans will have their four years to purge their party of Trump and his brownshirts and modify their message, to a kinder, gentler form of facism. The AC (after Clinton) Era will be dark times indeed.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
28. There's a surprising absence
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

of Hillary supporters yelling "right wing conspiracy" and trying to discredit the source.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
34. With all the Clinton power
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

and the smarmy characters involved with that campaign, are we really to trust these election results?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
36. are you talking about election fraud?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

Why wouldn't they do it? With all the wealth of the world at stake for them?

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
48. Well, I have noticed
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:05 AM
Mar 2016

That when watching the polls roll in, the "Initial Results" from urban areas always favor Clinton 3 to 1 or more. Do write-ins and absentees really favor her that much?



grasswire

(50,130 posts)
35. sickening sickening
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

And we used to think the USSR was corrupt.

This is very, very sad stuff.

And it underscores how very brave Bernie is, because surely he knows all this and still puts himself into the fray to stop it.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
39. Here's another good one from the same source.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/12/23/bernie-sanders-quiet-revolt/



"Sanders is unusual because he brings together three kinds of radicalism, each with very different roots. First is Sanders’s commitment to bringing the progressive ideas of Scandinavian social democracy to the United States, including free and universal health care, free higher education at state colleges and universities, mandatory maternity and sick leave benefits, and higher taxes on higher incomes. In American political history you have to go back to Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society or even to the early New Deal to find anything comparable."

"The second strand of Sanders’s radicalism is his excoriating account of contemporary American capitalism, and with this he neither looks nor sounds like a consensus-minded Scandinavian social democrat. Here Sanders is willing to name and denounce the new economic royalists—what he calls collectively the “billionaire class”—in a way that Hillary Clinton, who has relied heavily on their financial backing, has not."

"the third and perhaps least understood strand of Sanders’s radicalism comes into play: his ability to organize a previously unrecognized constituency—one that embraces the shrinking middle class, both white- and blue-collar, the working and non-working poor, as well as young, first-time voters with large student-loan debts. One thing that comes over strongly in interviews of those attending Sanders rallies is their sense that they are no longer alone, that they’re joining with thousands who are in much the same predicament as they are, and that together they can change things for the better.

Sanders’s success in bringing these people together comes from his grounding, as a student at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s, in the grass-roots politics of Saul Alinsky (1909–1972), the founder of modern American community organizing. Alinsky’s crucial insight was that people at the bottom of the system could fight for local political and economic power by forming alliances with sympathetic community groups sharing many of their interests. From the late 1930s through the 1960s, Alinsky focused on the black ghettoes and white working-class districts of Chicago, Rochester, Buffalo, Oakland, and many other cities."


This is an excellent one!

astrophuss42

(290 posts)
52. Great article
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:48 AM
Mar 2016

I got the feeling that this is one of those that will go over most voters heads. Imagine this is one reason for denying its importance. I went d to get away from cronyism.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
55. Well if this ties in with the email problem,
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:52 AM
Mar 2016

as I hear that it does, there's a train wreck coming.

You really need to read the whole article. Also there are links to the sources cited.


...
Among the most striking and troubling aspects of the Clinton System are the large contributions corporations and foreign governments have made to the Clinton Foundation, along with Bill Clinton’s readiness to accept six-figure speaking fees from some of them, at times when the donors themselves had a potential financial interest in decisions being made at Hillary Clinton’s State Department. An investigation published in April 2015 by Andrew Perez, David Sirota and Matthew Cunningham-Cook at International Business Times shows that during the three-year period from October 2009 through December 2012, when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, there were at least thirteen occasions—collectively worth $2.5 million—when Bill Clinton received a six-figure speaking fee from corporations or trade groups that, according to Federal Government records, were at the time engaged in lobbying at the State Department.
(lots of specific examples cited)
...
During Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, US defense corporations and their overseas clients also contributed between $54 and $141 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Because the foundation discloses a range of values within which the contributions of particular donors might fall, only minimum and maximum estimates can be given.) In the same period, these US defense corporations and their overseas government clients also paid a total of $625,000 to Bill Clinton in speaking fees.

In March 2011, for example, Bill Clinton was paid $175,000 by the Kuwait America Foundation to be the guest of honor and keynote speaker at its annual Washington gala. Among the sponsors were Boeing and the government of Kuwait, through its Washington embassy. Shortly before, the State Department, under Hillary Clinton, had authorized a $693 million deal to provide Kuwait with Boeing’s Globemaster military transport aircraft. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton had the statutory duty to rule on whether proposed arms deals with foreign governments were in the US’s national interest.

Further research done by Sirota and Perez of International Business Times and based on US government and Clinton Foundation data shows that during her term the State Department authorized $165 billion in commercial arms sales to twenty nations that had given money to the Clinton Foundation. These include the governments of Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, all of whose records on human rights had been criticized by the State Department itself. During Hillary Clinton’s years as secretary of state, arms sales to the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation ran at nearly double the value of sales to the same nations during George W. Bush’s second term. There was also an additional $151 billion worth of armaments sold to sixteen nations that had donated funds to the Clinton Foundation; these were deals organized by the Pentagon but which could only be completed with Hillary Clinton’s authorization as secretary of state. They were worth nearly one and a half times the value of equivalent sales during Bush’s second term.
...

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
61. We have to wonder...Who would Proscecute this?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:41 AM
Mar 2016

Who in our Government will take all this seriously enough to investigate? The Dem Party isn't about to investigate it's own and the Repubs have their own problems with Trump and their own hands in the till for decades.

Who will Investigate...Bring Charges of Massive Influence Peddling by a former President and his wife who is now running for President? Hillary and Bill will be living in the White House, if she is elected, and will have the ultimate power--probably beyond any President in our nation's history have ever had.

There were several investigative article about the Clinton Foundation that came out in February, this year. I have them bookmarked along with this one. They were posted on DU and pretty much died for lack of readership. Those investigative reports came out before the Primaries began as a warning from some of the few honest people left reporting who can still get their articles out in print media.

We have to believe there are concerned people in Government, MIC who are unhappy with what has been going on with the Clintons and have tried to get information out to reporters, but have gotten little exposure to the average American people who depend on Cable/Network TV for most of their news. We all know how lacking that is these days in giving people real information about anything that they need to know as voting citizens. At one time we had PBS, Discussion Shows, and Network features that focused on issues. Those days are long gone and most people under 50 wouldn't remember them.

What do those of us who are informed do when faced with such corruption and little hope of it ever being investigated once the Clintons are in the White House again?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
63. I'm late to this, don't know why I missed it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:47 PM
Mar 2016

I'll dig up the other articles for a start and see what's there.

You raise a good point. I'm thinking that if Sanders loses he will still be a Senator, and maybe a Committee hearing of some type could be started, similar to the Watergate process. There's also a Special Prosecutor that could be appointed if need be.

On the other hand though, if enough of this story was put together, and written in a highly reputable source, it might be enough to change the election, which would be better than dealing with it afterward.

I'm guessing that the investigators who have it now will be using the emails as a lever to bring up the rest of it. The problem is how long it takes. The story needs to break before the investigation will be ready. Maybe the best thing we can do is try to make it go viral. We can send it to news people we think might be interested, that might help. Someone might pick it up.

If nothing else, we can post what we find here, and at any other similar sites, something may gel.

I dunno, I'll have to think about it more. I didn't know specifics before and didn't know it was nearly this bad.


Edit: It looks like something more is happening...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511524355

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
56. This is bigger than the damn emails.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:00 AM
Mar 2016

And I think the sort of thing the Clintons are famous for. Selling access and influence peddling is what they have done forever. And why Hillary cannot be trusted.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
114. It is bigger which is why NYT tucked it away in NYR. There is no reason this is in NYR
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

except to drive it into obscurity.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
59. I had no idea they were this corrupt.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
Mar 2016

The more I find out about her the less I think I can vote for her if she's the nom.

Sending a little extra to Bernie today.

~kick

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
65. They are as corrupt as the Bush family
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

I dislike her as a candidate because of her right wing policies. Now I see she's also completely corrupt. The country is heading for a disaster.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
77. Holy hell!!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:49 PM
Mar 2016

I need to read more on this. Has Thom Hartmann talked about it? It seems like something that he would be up on.

Thank you, OP. This kind of dirty crap has to stop!!

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
85. According to google searches no one has covered this brilliant, damning piece of
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

journalism. Perhaps it escaped noticed because it was in the NYR. Whatever the reason this story needs to get out to there and get the attention it deserves.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
79. The Corporatist Clinton Corruption Exposed For All The World To See - Yet The DNC Looks Askance
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

What message does that send - to this voter the message is clear.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
89. Their followers don't care what they've done or will do. There new motto is "The Ends Justify The
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

Means."

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
94. A handful of those on DU may not care but many other Clinton supporters assume all
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

negative stories are complicated RW conspiracies so they don't bother to dig deep. And this has been so hidden. I practically fell off my chair when I read about the Canadian billionaire giving the "foundation" a 100 million kickback after Bill helped him close a deal with the Kazhak president.It's shocking this didn't get any attention.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
90. Wow! The wheels of justice sure turn slow in some cases
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

What is taking the FBI so long? Excellent article, I believe my mouth was open so much while reading it I had to put my hand under my chin to keep it closed. Speed up the investigation!!!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
91. This, not her emails is the real scandal.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

Democrats should know about this ahead of the general election and factor it into their voting decision. This is going to follow her.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
97. For some reason this piece written almost 2 months ago has got no attention. Everyone needs
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

to email a link to Cenk, Goodman, Hartmann etc. This is indeed the real scandal.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
100. And poor Hill was so broke she had to be driven in a 2 year old armored limo
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

Poor girl. The sacrifices she's made to run the world.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
104. Just Wow!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:34 PM
Mar 2016
During Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state, US defense corporations and their overseas clients also contributed between $54 and $141 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Because the foundation discloses a range of values within which the contributions of particular donors might fall, only minimum and maximum estimates can be given.) In the same period, these US defense corporations and their overseas government clients also paid a total of $625,000 to Bill Clinton in speaking fees.

In March 2011, for example, Bill Clinton was paid $175,000 by the Kuwait America Foundation to be the guest of honor and keynote speaker at its annual Washington gala. Among the sponsors were Boeing and the government of Kuwait, through its Washington embassy. Shortly before, the State Department, under Hillary Clinton, had authorized a $693 million deal to provide Kuwait with Boeing’s Globemaster military transport aircraft. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton had the statutory duty to rule on whether proposed arms deals with foreign governments were in the US’s national interest.


K & R and Bookmarked.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
106. I think this ties in with her SOS gig.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

It certainly seems she made business opportunities in Libya a high priority and Sidney Blumenthal was more than helpful in that regard.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
159. Obama banned Blumenthal from his administration...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:05 AM
Mar 2016

...told Clinton he didn't want Blumenthal in the State Department. She spit on that order by hiring Blumenthal for big bucks at the Clinton Foundation and communicating with him via her private server. The classification problems that that raised (Blumenthal, with no security clearance, sending her top secret information, and that info being hackable) is not the most serious problem that she faces, in my view. Nor is her affront to Obama (although that may earn her the absence of his protection, when and if this goes to a grand jury). I think the real core of the FBI's investigation is the money--the pay-to-play--especially with scabrous entities like the Saudis and the ones revealed in this article.

And whether this goes to a grand jury or not (it's possible that Obama and the FBI will protect her anyway), it bodes very ill, indeed, for her tenure in the White House, if she gets there. I think that partisan investigations by the RW Congress and impeachment will paralyze the government and she will be unable to deliver on any promises (for instance, as to her lame, "incremental" me-too-ism on Sanders' ideas). And I frankly think that this will lead to social/political meltdown in this country, as climate change starts hitting hard and poverty grows.

I think she is a disastrous candidate. With Sanders, I think we have a chance to survive the storms to come. He will rally us to address the most serious crisis humanity has ever faced--the habitability of our planet--and will help alleviate the poverty and dislocation, and social chaos, that is coming, due to climate change and due to demagogues like Trump, our very rigged Congress and other disreputable public officials and the Corporate Rulers who control them. We have a chance with Sanders. That's all. A chance. With Clinton, we don't have that chance.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
160. She is a disastrous candidate.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:08 AM
Mar 2016

That is certain. If a Republican was running with the FBI investigating him or her, most Democrats would be gleeful and think it's crazy if that Republican was a very popular Republican and a front runner for the nomination.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
124. Interesting observation. I've always wanted to know the darker side of practically everything,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

so it's surprising to be reminded that others don't have that same desire, that they want to stay with the manufactured image.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
119. One of the most disturbing articles I've ever read about politics and corruption
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

This article should be read by every voter in the country.

Response to snagglepuss (Original post)

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
128. K&R
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

They used to call it bribery . Now it is considered a consultancy fee . No wonder they don't want money out of politics .

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
133. Our so-called democracy is sick.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:31 AM
Mar 2016

Our society is rotting from within. Corruption is rampant. The people are indoctrinated. There will be no easy solution.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
134. Every Adult In America Should Read This Article
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

There is no way the Clinton supporters can defend this - unless, perhaps, their moral compass is broken beyond repair.

FEEL THE BERN- 2016

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
135. This should have been on the NYT's front page but instead it got hidden in NYR Daily.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

I totally agree everyone should read it. Over the yrs one reads stories about the Clinton deals but it's been hard to get the whole picture. This gives that whole picture. It needs to be posted as many places as possible on line.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
141. I don't understand how any Clinton supporter can read this and not reconsider their position.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

This is one of the important articles published during the campaign. Dogma and emotions should not trump ethics; otherwise our democracy could fall under the weight of corruption.

PLEASE PEOPLE, READ THIS ARTICLE !!!

Thank you.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
150. There seems to be nothing else to Hillary Rodham Clinton, but this amoral shit.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:28 AM
Mar 2016

So sad that it's eaten right to the heart of the Dem party.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
163. For an all too common human failing
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:52 AM
Mar 2016

Namely, Confirmation Bias, the same mechanism that protects true believers against facing the facts of climate change and evolution.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
161. should the movers & shakers of the world stop making social contacts with each other?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:25 AM
Mar 2016

even in a local society contacts are everything.

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
173. kick
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

Sad. The MSM just keeps ignoring the corruption when it comes to corporatists like the Clintons and Bushes. At this point I don't see the difference between the two. Our country is seriously screwed.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
176. Just gotta follow the money!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

It's actually mind boggling how many trails lead to the Clinton's. They are so damned prodigious in this regard -- like moles digging their tunnels.

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