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Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:40 PM

New Yorker article about the primary has a quote from Sanders that says a lot.

When I spoke to Sanders last week, he refused to speculate about any Convention scenarios that didn’t include him as the nominee. “I look forward to her dropping out and giving me her strong support,” he said. He was adamant that Clinton could not deliver the kind of change that voters are demanding, no matter what policy positions she adopted. “The issue is creating an economy and a political system that works for all Americans and not the one per cent,” he said. “That does not happen through a speech. That happens by reaching out and mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever done that, or ever wants to do that. You don’t go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people. That just does not exist.”


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/21/bernie-hillary-and-the-new-democratic-party

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Reply New Yorker article about the primary has a quote from Sanders that says a lot. (Original post)
rgbecker Mar 2016 OP
merrily Mar 2016 #1
TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #2
global1 Mar 2016 #3
DanTex Mar 2016 #4
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #5
frylock Mar 2016 #6
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #7
frylock Mar 2016 #17
NuclearDem Mar 2016 #18
frylock Mar 2016 #19
MaggieD Mar 2016 #47
reformist2 Mar 2016 #8
DanTex Mar 2016 #9
Kittycat Mar 2016 #12
DanTex Mar 2016 #13
Kittycat Mar 2016 #14
Gwhittey Mar 2016 #54
thesquanderer Mar 2016 #15
Segami Mar 2016 #16
Seeinghope Mar 2016 #21
840high Mar 2016 #25
redstateblues Mar 2016 #30
kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #41
MaggieD Mar 2016 #34
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #53
Logical Mar 2016 #56
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #10
geek tragedy Mar 2016 #11
Seeinghope Mar 2016 #55
dana_b Mar 2016 #20
MADem Mar 2016 #22
Blus4u Mar 2016 #27
MADem Mar 2016 #32
grasswire Mar 2016 #61
me b zola Mar 2016 #23
jwirr Mar 2016 #24
upaloopa Mar 2016 #35
bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #26
redstateblues Mar 2016 #29
upaloopa Mar 2016 #33
bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #37
upaloopa Mar 2016 #39
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #48
BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #28
upaloopa Mar 2016 #31
MaggieD Mar 2016 #36
bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #38
MaggieD Mar 2016 #46
revbones Mar 2016 #51
scscholar Mar 2016 #50
NCTraveler Mar 2016 #40
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #43
NCTraveler Mar 2016 #44
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #45
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #42
amborin Mar 2016 #49
Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #52
cleopotrick Mar 2016 #57
CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #58
rgbecker Mar 2016 #59
Jitter65 Mar 2016 #60
rgbecker Mar 2016 #62

Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:42 PM

1. I would be very disappointed if he dropped out.

I donated again yesterday on the assumption he was staying in.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:52 PM

2. Go BERNIE!!!

He is my hero. I hope everyone can see where this country needs to go. He is the democrat the party has needed.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:55 PM

3. Wow - Just Wow!!!!!....

Go Bernie!!!!

Feel the Bern!!!!

Become the Bern!!!!!

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:57 PM

4. What an idiot. And I don't use that word carelessly.

Does he believe any of that? He's getting demolished in the primary votes -- Dems don't want him to be the nominee. Can he not count?

My respect for him is dropping.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:11 PM

5. In my opinion all of your words are used carelessly, also recklessly and poorly.

 

I offer criticisms of things Hillary has said or done, like her building an alter to Ron and Nancy claiming they were heroes of the AIDS crisis when they are the uncontested arch villains of that time.
You call Bernie names.
I think I make a stronger case.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:24 PM

6. Another outstanding effort to GOTV!, Dan.

Encore!

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Response to frylock (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:29 PM

7. Half the Bernie supporters here half already said they won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance

 

Why do you believe we're under any obligation to reach out to them?

When your candidate is losing by margins of millions of voters, you don't really have the leverage you think you do.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:49 PM

17. You aren't under any obligation to reach out..

just as they're under no obligation to vote for Hillary.

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Response to frylock (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:50 PM

18. PUMAs didn't affect the result of the 2008 election, either.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:51 PM

19. Well perhaps that fact will help to cut down on all the 'Surrender Dorothy!' threads..

I have my doubts that will happen.

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Response to frylock (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:57 AM

47. Nope

 

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:30 PM

8. Watch yourself, your anger is showing.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:35 PM

9. LOL. Projection. Losing by 300+ delegates.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:41 PM

12. Projection. Losing millions of voters

Like Little Debbie has lost our party 100's of seats. Keep that in mind when you focus on Hillary, and what it takes to earn that seat.

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Response to Kittycat (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:42 PM

13. Celebrating Democrating losses. True colors and all.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:45 PM

14. On the contrary.

Trying to ensure we keep focused on the message that's captured a new generation, and re-engaged those that that the party ignored when they ran towards to the republicans.

Eta. Not to mention the many caught in the middle of the damage of bad policy.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:03 AM

54. You do know that DNC has not run a Get Out The Vote drive this year?

 

I wonder why. Could it be because DWS did not want to do drives because first time voters where more likely to vote for a unknown with a clear curt policy that a shoe in candidate who only policies are rat-fucking

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:45 PM

15. Your respect for him is dropping? How much lower can it go?? (n/t)

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:46 PM

16. Try calling your candidate out as a LIAR next time....

 

That would be much more reality-based than lobbing dumb insults.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:55 PM

21. There is nothing that he says that is untrue

 

“The issue is creating an economy and a political system that works for all Americans and not the one per cent. I believe in that

“That does not happen through a speech. That happens by reaching out and mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever done that, or ever wants to do that. You don’t go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people. That just does not exist[/.


I believe and agree with that too. What is hard to believe? We see what Washington has done without the people being involved. Now is the time for the people to become involved.

He is right about Hillary Clinton too. She is all about doing things the traditional way and only including people in what she wants them to know. Why not tell us about what really happened in Honduras? Why not be more forthcoming about the e-mails? Why not release transcripts of speeches to Goldman Sachs.....


So much more remains behind closed doors

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Response to Seeinghope (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:44 PM

25. .^that

 

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Response to Seeinghope (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:54 PM

30. You missed the"Hillary will drop out" part. Delusional and not ready

To be Commander in Chief

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:33 AM

41. Very strange. When has a candidate who is way behind ever said such a thing? He's is in denial.

He either believes his own press, is listening way to much to some hard core supporters, or has had a blow to the head. Find this a little scary.......

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:59 PM

34. He's delusional

 

He really is. Wow.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:54 AM

53. not demolished

Behind due to DWS careful structuring the primaries. Stay tuned. The DNC dismissed him from the get go. DWS treated him unfairly from the get go. clinton dismissed him. Many clintonites dismissed him. Many have listened. More have listened than the DNC or clinton or DWS expected. He may not win. He is very worthy of respect. There are 21 states yet to vote.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:32 PM

56. Dan, if anyone should know what "idiot" means, it is you. nt

 

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:37 PM

10. Go Bernie. And Thank YOU.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:39 PM

11. She has mobilized millions more than he has nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:29 PM

55. Hillary would not have amassed millions if it wasn't for Bill Clinton

 

Hillary Clinton is a product of her husband. She would not have the support that she has if not for Bill Clinton. He has paved the way for her. She has even admitted it herself “I am not a natural politician, my husband is”. He has made the connections, called in favours, guided her and paved the way for her. It didn’t work when she ran against Obama so they took a little bit of a different approach and now Bill is more visible in this campaign. In fact he goes to the polls and makes speeches in his wife’s behalf which is very “unpresidential” and questionable as far as laws and ethics. Does he disturb the voting process for the voters for Bernie Sanders? Some would say “yes”. The extra traffic surrounding Clinton’s entourage, moving Bernie Sanders voters out of the way for photo ops with Hillary Clinton voters and Bill blocking the entrance to the building. Even though he might stand within the legal limit, it is still a questionable tactic, certainly below a former President of the United States.

It is time to end dynasties. GW was in the same boat as Hillary Clinton. Neither had a great record to run on

Hillary Clinton foreign policy “experience” has some brewing scandals, the e-mails, Honduras, Libya, her good friend Kissinger, her definite neo con leanings and her vote for Iraq.

Her domestic policy is so connected to Bill Clinton. The line is so blurred. When will the President Hillary Clinton be making decisions and when will Bill Clinton be making decisions? Is Bill Clinton just to stand idly by while Hillary Clinton is the top dog in the marriage now? It is confusing. There will be so much speculation just about that alone.

The Republicans will be more relentless in their attacks because now they have 2 targets and a lot of skeletons. We will be bogged down by all of the attacks of their character, business dealings, policy results…..I really don’t want to rehash old times and new allegations (some with merit). It may not be right but the Clintons, the scandals and policy failures are ripe for the picking.

Then there is still the question, what exactly will Bill be doing? I think that is a huge question that needs to be answered now since this is important to know. This is uncharted territory and something to be considered. This isn’t 1992. We have more information and not all of it is so favourable on those years and policy's from the Clintons.

Hillary Clinton is a product of Bill Clinton and not in the position that she is in on her own merit. She doesn’t get paid the big bucks by Goldman Sachs because of just her own achievements, she gets them because of her status as 1st Lady and Bill Clinton and possible President of the United States.

Yes, Hillary Clinton is intelligent, admirable, successful in her own right but she is not an Elizabeth Warren.

Bernie Sanders has had a proven track record for decades. He has been consistent on what he has fought for. He isn’t a rich man because that is not his motivation. The Clintons though have come a long way from their start in politics. They have amassed pretty great wealth and are still in the process of doing it. Their motives are not so pure.

Michelle Obama captured it when she said “Don’t worry, i’m not going to run for President of the United States”. Thank you Mrs. Obama!

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:53 PM

20. woo hoo!! That's my candidate!!

that's what I want to hear.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:05 PM

22. That "last week" was before he was creamed in five primary contests.

He was still riding on that Lucky Michigan Bump when he made that comment.

I think he's looking for ways to hang on for a bit longer, but I think he sees the handwriting on the wall.

Now's the time for him to press, strongly, for donations to his campaign while his supporters are still sorting out their feelings between fight or flight, so he can retire his campaign debt in short order.

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:48 PM

27. Maybe the Clinton campaign will pay their Iowa bills.

Eom

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Response to Blus4u (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:58 PM

32. I'll bet they will--the donations are POURING in after those five great victories! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:12 PM

61. nearly four million dollars since that night...

...thank you very much.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:09 PM

23. K&R

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:19 PM

24. We need to keep up the fight because it is not just about

Bernie - it is about the people and about the issues that effect the people.

We need to go into that Convention with as much power as we can get.

GOTV for Bernie.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 AM

35. Like what kind of power? Like the power Bernie Bros use on line to intimidate people?

Bernie is toast.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:46 PM

26. Bernie is correct. His campaign is the people's campaign..power in numbers.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:50 PM

29. Bernie sounds delusional

Power in numbers? Hilary's numbers are winning numbers

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:59 PM

33. No it's some of the people's campaign and not even a mojority of them.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:20 AM

37. If the United States was just Southern States.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:22 AM

39. It isn't the states it the voters in the states. It doesn't make any difference where they live

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:01 AM

48. Did they move Illinois, Missouri, Ohio, Massachusetts. Iowa, and Nevada?

He is going to win Idaho though...

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:49 PM

28. He was measuring the curtains after Michigan

Now he doesn't know what hit him.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:57 PM

31. "mobilizing millions and millions of people. There is no indication that Hillary Clinton has ever

done that."

Hell Bernie can't even get his millennials to vote!

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:00 AM

36. And he lags her by 2.75 million votes

 

He is starting to sound like a grandiose narcissist.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:21 AM

38. Many states to go and not Southern States.......any more.........

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:57 AM

46. And many he is going to lose

 

He's going to leave looking like a pathetic old man.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:13 AM

51. Guess that's better than

 

A corrupt law-breaking old woman who won despite lies and law-breaking.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:09 AM

50. And, wouldn't it be great if she got more votes again...

 

but still lost!

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:25 AM

40. Seems his quote was befor he went 0-5 on Tuesday. Nt

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:47 AM

43. Hillary didn't mobilize the people then and she only topped Bernie by less than 2%

her home state of Illinois.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:48 AM

44. 0-5. Nt

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:49 AM

45. That doesn't change my point. n/t

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:45 AM

42. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, rgbecker.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:02 AM

49. K&R

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:32 AM

52. Go Bernie!

 

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:39 PM

57. K&R to the moon

 

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:50 PM

58. "That does not happen through a speech." From Sanders? I almost fell out of my chair laughing. nt

 

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Response to CalvinballPro (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:54 PM

59. I think his point was the rest of the quote....

You don’t go and give speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street and be the same person that is going to rally the American people.

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Response to rgbecker (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:33 PM

60. Well it seems to be ok for him to ask HC to drop out but not the other way around? nt

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #60)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:31 AM

62. I don't think anyone sees any harm in asking.

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