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kcjohn1

(751 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:17 AM Mar 2016

Why I can't vote for Hillary

This is just my personal opinion. I hope it doesn't result in ban since she technically isn't the democratic candidate.

The biggest issue for me is the corruption. I could overlook her moderate to conservative positions. Her flip flops and lack of trust. Her neocon positions I detest, but unfortunately the other side is even worse.

But what I can't in good conscience vote for is a person who enriches themselves at the expense of the public. I couldn't stand Romney and what his Wall Street friends did to thousands of workers, but in comparison he did not use public office to get rich. Bush inherited his money and got richer through his name/connections but he didn't quadruple his money during or after office. Clintons on the other hand have turned access into cash. I suspect the Clinton foundation is also just scam to enrich themselves and their friends.

This IMO is ultimate betrayal and one of the worst things public officials can do yet alone head of state. I hope Obama follows the Carter route vs Clinton.

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Why I can't vote for Hillary (Original Post) kcjohn1 Mar 2016 OP
Vote your conscience and have a nice evening. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #1
She IS corrupt. Pay to play. Donate to Foundation I'll approve what you need. This shit stinks too thereismore Mar 2016 #2
Y'all must be Fox News fans! yallerdawg Mar 2016 #6
You must be a fascist. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #13
No... yallerdawg Mar 2016 #17
OK That Was Funny!!! Stallion Mar 2016 #24
Oh - a fascist! yallerdawg Mar 2016 #19
So much gibberish. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #20
I know. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #21
"I got it." Loudestlib Mar 2016 #23
ROFL yallerdawg! BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #25
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #3
Why I think you are a troll. revbones Mar 2016 #5
Moi? XRubicon Mar 2016 #7
Sure. revbones Mar 2016 #8
Well tell me member since five minutes ago XRubicon Mar 2016 #11
Ooooh you've been here longer than me. revbones Mar 2016 #12
There are other web sites where you would fit in better XRubicon Mar 2016 #14
Because I don't agree with you accusing the poster of preferring Trump? nt revbones Mar 2016 #18
Well, longer than you under one name anyway. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #37
Ooh zinger. Accuse someone you don't agree with of being a sockpuppet. revbones Mar 2016 #38
You can try to deny it, but your posts gave you away from the get go. JTFrog Mar 2016 #39
Sure, whatever you say. revbones Mar 2016 #40
It hasn't nothing to do with who you support and you know it. JTFrog Mar 2016 #41
Deny whatever lies you're choosing to put forth? Sure. revbones Mar 2016 #42
You are hiding, but we see you. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #43
Sure. Think whatever conspiracy theories you need to... revbones Mar 2016 #44
I leave the conspiracy theories up to you. JTFrog Mar 2016 #45
Oh yeah that's right. You guys believe any negative Clinton thing to be a right-wing conspiracy. revbones Mar 2016 #47
We wouldn't have to say that at all if folks would quit trying to push revenue to right wingers with JTFrog Mar 2016 #50
Too bad you seemed to eat it up and only provided conspiracy theory responses. revbones Mar 2016 #51
I disagree. If anything, you're a gloating troll who want us banned. This desmiller Mar 2016 #15
Nice strawman XRubicon Mar 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #28
booyah desmiller Mar 2016 #35
And not for progressive policies. Cool, got it. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #48
I want a Democrat that takes small donations All in it together Mar 2016 #54
The Ultimate Troll wyldwolf Mar 2016 #30
Says the repeat disruptor. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #36
How freaking DARE YOU accuse another DUer of being a Republican? IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #52
Bernie voted to give himself a raise for years at our expense Rose Siding Mar 2016 #4
Perspective jack_krass Mar 2016 #33
It's much better for us to pay our public servants All in it together Mar 2016 #55
Hrrump DeadEyeDyck Mar 2016 #9
Snap out of It!!! Stallion Mar 2016 #10
people with actual evidence of real corruption should report it to the appropriate authories. nt msongs Mar 2016 #22
The FbI is investigating 840high Mar 2016 #26
You can't say that! ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #31
I find Hillary to be 840high Mar 2016 #58
millions for "speaches" SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #27
I thought op's like this were now banned? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #29
Just no Trump humping, for now. RiverLover Mar 2016 #32
You usual astute take! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #49
Question: Can I come live with U when Trump becomes pres? MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #34
No! No! No! It's just capitalists investing in a product they can make a profit from. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #46
I'll be honest. I'm on the fence. Her abysmal foreign policy record and big money influence worry me EndElectoral Mar 2016 #53
Some days I mind the corruption worse, other day's it's the lying. n/t winter is coming Mar 2016 #56
It's her stance on the death penalty and abortion that make me unwilling to vote for her. n/t DookDook Mar 2016 #57

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
2. She IS corrupt. Pay to play. Donate to Foundation I'll approve what you need. This shit stinks too
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

much. Not gonna touch that.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. Y'all must be Fox News fans!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:25 AM
Mar 2016

Welcome to "Democratic Underground!"

Where we support Democrats!

And don't make vicious, wild, unfounded accusations about our Democratic frontrunner.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
19. Oh - a fascist!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

I would be intolerant of malicious rightwing speculation and innuendo directed at our presumptive Democratic nominee - on a Democratic website - so I'm a fascist?

Most of what you all are describing is criminal - violations of the law - and I don't know what imaginary world you live in where Republicans wouldn't be jailing her yesterday if what you so matter-of-factly decree were real and not just fevered rightwing imaginings!

Response to kcjohn1 (Original post)

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
8. Sure.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

The poster didn't say anything about Trump. You're just itching for a setup into a "If you don't fear Trump and vote Hillary, then you're not a Democrat" or "If you don't vote for Hillary, you're voting for Trump" such sub-thread.

0 + 0 = 0

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
12. Ooooh you've been here longer than me.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

That makes your trolling and everything else ok. Carry on.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
39. You can try to deny it, but your posts gave you away from the get go.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:31 AM
Mar 2016

I know... you probably learned so much about DU and DUer's from lurking for years upon years before every posting here right?

You go with that.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
41. It hasn't nothing to do with who you support and you know it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mar 2016

Are you really going to try to deny it?

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
42. Deny whatever lies you're choosing to put forth? Sure.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:35 AM
Mar 2016

But you're just deflecting from your inability to put forth a coherent rational argument. You're also showing your level, or rather lack of maturity.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
44. Sure. Think whatever conspiracy theories you need to...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
Mar 2016

Makes it easier to stomach someone not agreeing with your worldview. Again, just shows your maturity.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
45. I leave the conspiracy theories up to you.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

What with your love of the right wingery spin on all things Clinton.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
47. Oh yeah that's right. You guys believe any negative Clinton thing to be a right-wing conspiracy.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

Almost forgot, but then it's hard to given that you say it sooooo often.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
50. We wouldn't have to say that at all if folks would quit trying to push revenue to right wingers with
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

click bait anti-Clinton foaming at the mouth articles all in the name of getting their hate on. Most people here are too mature and intelligent to fall for it. But the useful idiots eat it up. That's dangerous.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
51. Too bad you seemed to eat it up and only provided conspiracy theory responses.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

Sort of insulting to yourself.

desmiller

(747 posts)
15. I disagree. If anything, you're a gloating troll who want us banned. This
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

bullshit will not fly with me nor my Bernie brothers and sisters of arms. Welcome to my naughty list, and I suggest the others Bernie supporters to do the same.

Response to desmiller (Reply #15)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
48. And not for progressive policies. Cool, got it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:40 AM
Mar 2016

I don't give a shit about branding...policy is all. Well, and character...

All in it together

(275 posts)
54. I want a Democrat that takes small donations
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016

Over someone who buddies up with the .01% and their money. It might not be illegal, just wrong in my point of view. Time for that to stop.
And I'm progressive, no where near Right Wing.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
52. How freaking DARE YOU accuse another DUer of being a Republican?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

This level of personal attack is UNACCEPTABLE. I have alerted your slimey post.

The absolute insanity of saying "if you don't like the candidate I prefer, that means you like Trump" is Right Wing Insanity Logic.

It is divisive. It is insulting. It is UNACCEPTABLE.

A large number of people IN THIS COUNTRY (literally MILLIONS) have categorically stated a preference for NOT HILLARY - and you want to tar all of us with a "well, you must like Trump then?"

Posts like this make DU suck. You should be ashamed!



ON EDIT: Thank you, Jury! And for the record, I will be alerting on this nonsense from EITHER SIDE as per Skinner's post about keeping DU civil. I am grateful a DU jury recognized the mean spirited taunting for what it was - UNACCEPTABLE.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
4. Bernie voted to give himself a raise for years at our expense
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

That doesn't bother me, of course. But if pols enriching themselves at public expense were my main issue, I'd need to take that into consideration.

All in it together

(275 posts)
55. It's much better for us to pay our public servants
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

Than for them to get bought out by fossil fuel, banking, pharmaceutical, insurance and military industrial interests. We don't pay nearly as much though.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
31. You can't say that!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:23 AM
Mar 2016

Because, you know, inevitable, it's her turn, she's experienced, The emails were never shared, never spied on, and never secret, libya, Ukraine, Syria, Honduras, fracking, Wall Street, Sydney Blumenthal, Henry Kissinger - doesn't everybody act the same way?

The one thing that really chilled my bones? Not her generally being unfit for office, her innate corruption, her repeatedly bad judgment, nor her neocon views on war. It was her cackling laugh when khadafi was assassinated. That showed the real Hillary. And it ain't a pretty sight.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
27. millions for "speaches"
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:42 AM
Mar 2016

I have listened to scores of more important thinkers speak about more important topics for a amounts that orders of magnitude less

it takes a gullible person to believe that those fees were not corruption

not all evil is criminal

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
32. Just no Trump humping, for now.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:32 AM
Mar 2016

But we realize loving up a corrupt, powerful, war-loving, bought & paid for republican DINO is the most acceptable way to go. The party itself is becoming DINO, so its confusing. But purple is the new black, so have fun justifying your new conservative values to yourself. Those of us who can't do that will be posting less & less here, I imagine.

MuttLikeMe

(279 posts)
34. Question: Can I come live with U when Trump becomes pres?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:10 AM
Mar 2016

'cause when the KKK Trump goon squads start rounding up latinos and blacks, I'll need somewhere to hide thnx

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
46. No! No! No! It's just capitalists investing in a product they can make a profit from.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

Aka - The American Dream

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
53. I'll be honest. I'm on the fence. Her abysmal foreign policy record and big money influence worry me
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

It's the old lesser than two evils argument.

Just not sure I can do that anymore.

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