2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie handling Maddow!
They all think they are smarter than he is. Esp. Toad. But he handles them and answers their skewed questions in a way that gets his message out instead of their bias. I love it. He's the smartest guy in Congress.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)him because "Bernie"!
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)He will stay in and keep messaging until the last minute. You think like Hillary who just wants to win. He wants change. And boy has he changed Hillary! See, you have to be smart like Bernie.
Squinch
(50,672 posts)And don't give me the bullshit about him being the "rider king." Look up all those riders. The vast majority of them were statements that people shouldn't do things that were already illegal. That's why no one minded that they got attached to their bills. They were meaningless.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)like you? They won't, they don't love you. Sorry.
Squinch
(50,672 posts)boston bean
(36,181 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)enough people that we will fight back against the Rich and Super-Rich that are looting the lower classes while you fiddle.
Squinch
(50,672 posts)2)the fact that your opinion, strongly stated, does not equal truth.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to amass a huge fortune and power. That's the truth. She lies to the people while she meets with the Ruling Class in secret. That's the truth. She betrayed us by bowing down to Bush, repeating his lies before the Senate to show that she was tough. Hundreds of thousands died, millions of lives were ruined, but she made friends with the MIC and got super wealthy. That's the truth. Her recent revelation about how she felt about AIDS and HIV was not a surprise. She fought against same sex marriage for a long time and is still cold hearted about the use of medical marijuana. She supports tough drug laws that have filled our prisons and she supports Prisons For Profits. She choose fracking for profits over the drinking water of us peons. Corporate profits come before the environment. And as you know money can buy propaganda and propaganda is very successful. How can you turn your back on the 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty? Goldman-Sachs can.
You have to choose sides in this class war and I warn you, the Aristocracy doesn't really love you.
Squinch
(50,672 posts)the white house.
Thanks for all your warnings. But again, your opinion doesn't really follow from the facts. I know you won't let that bother you, though. So have a nice flight.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)While you celebrate the $50,000,000 graft amassed by Clinton you ignore the 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty. Maybe you can give them some cake.
Squinch
(50,672 posts)fact-free drift.
By the way, what did Bernie do in his decades in Congress to make life better for Americans living in poverty? I'm not talking about naming post offices, or getting riders put onto bills that say that people shouldn't do things that are already illegal.
Did you hear about Hillary's role in getting insurance for millions of poor kids? Or her work with the Southern Poverty Law Center? Or the way she helped all those National Guard folks? Wow! She really has had an effect!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Is there any level of poverty that would make you choose to not align with the Wealthy?
Maybe you really secretly support the privatization of SS and don't give a crap about the fact that health care is horrible here.
Let them eat cake. Long live the Clinton Aristocracy.
Squinch
(50,672 posts)talk about the fact that Bernie has never done anything for the poor while Hillary has done tons?
I'm sure you will respond with some more fact-free nonsensical Berniebargle, which really gets very boring, and is just so much sturm and drang about a candidate who has already lost.
So I'll wish you a good day.
jillan
(39,451 posts)think the SDs should represent the voters of their state by endorsing the candidate that won that state?
It's really not that complicated to understand.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...challenge.
Thank you. It's useful and time-saving to make such an easy identification.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Proclaiming him The. Smartest. Guy. Evah! is engaging in a cult of personality.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)is something to be proud of? The support of people many of who are go right along with the Corporatization of America.
I don't think Bernie hopes to flip anyone...I think he knows the battle he is in and the road he has to travel.
I am right there with him - traveling and enjoying the ride.
napi21
(45,806 posts)Actually, I think Rachel did well too. The only think she asked, several times, was the question about super delegates. I think the was she handled it was very good because she wanted to make sure she wasn't misinterpreting his position. I must admit, he surprised me some. I never thought of approaching the SD's on the basis of % of the win in their state. I like it, and I hope it works.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Bernie and his supporters hated the notion of super-delegates. What brought about this change?
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)You do understand nothing changed? People still hate SD but are you suppose to ignore something you don't like hoping it magically goes away? That explains a lot about you
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)about you and Bernie. Hypocritical.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I know, I'm a jerk, but honestly, this one's easy.
uponit7771
(90,193 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)I'd like it if BOTH PARTIES stopped messing around with "special rules", "super delegates" "winner take all or proportional votes" and all the other games they play to get their own way! Just let the people vote! Someone will win & someone will lose, but it's the VOTERS that made the decision!
I was so disheartened when I heard the talking heads discussing the Pub convention, and how they will game the system to get anyone but Trump! They even said "That 's thing the voters don't yet know. They think the voters select the candidate, they don't." The TH asked "They why have primaries? the answer was "That's a good question, huh."
I don't yet understand the whole process on either side, but I HOPE the Dems aren't doing the same BS.
uponit7771
(90,193 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)their money. That doesn't mean that candidate won't feel some "loyalty" to that SP group. I think I know why most candidates won't fight against SP. They aren't sure they can do what Bernie is doin, getting lots of small donors to support their run.
If it ever gets overturned, I guess we'll all see.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Could you figure out what Hayes and Maddow were even saying? What was their point if they had one beyond smearing Bernie? It was juvenile and pointless whatever it was.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)What did their banter consist of?
I have given up on MSNBC ever since Rachel turned on the middle class. It took her one invite to the White House to have her forget all about even occasionally criticizing Obama.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Time to storm the Bastille!
msongs
(67,129 posts)He handles Toad, and Mathews the same but you have to turn this into some imagined sexist thing?
Shandris
(3,447 posts)I do love some of the odd contradictions we run into around here. Just laugh at those who deserve it and move on.
....although to be fair, I was going to chime in with a post title of "Well someone tell him to knock it off, he's on national cable television!"
senz
(11,945 posts)I'm a woman. Kindly do not use my gender in an attempt to damage good people.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)sheshe2
(83,138 posts)Ick! Gross.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,910 posts)Would it be gay baiting if Bill Clinton handled Chuck Todd? Do we need a special language that needs to be used when speaking about women. Should we also address them as "Ladies" out of special respect for their unique gender?
senz
(11,945 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Or was misunderstanding intentional?
senz
(11,945 posts)Maddow went 1%, and that's where her loyalties lie.
Bernie's just too 99% for Comcast's taste.
senz
(11,945 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)To be interviewing presidential primary candidates.
senz
(11,945 posts)She may have forgotten what they're like.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't watch her much but read enough from her and see enough of her to know she is progressive. No one is going to buy that she isn't. To be polite, it would be dishonest to say otherwise.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Maybe at one time but as you said, you don't watch her much anymore. She runs a gossipy, in-crowd show. No net neutrality and no corporate stories. I guess it has been a long time, huh? You probably ought to catch up before you judge her as a progressive. Of course, I don't know what "progressive" means to you? Progressing up the income ladder or the corporate shill ladder?
I'd value your opinion more if you watched her more but even then, I'd probably argue if you called her "progressive." Radio days - definitely. Those days are long gone.
senz
(11,945 posts)For example, she isn't allowed to say anything about the TPP. Many months ago, when I still watched MSNBC, there was an issue of importance to progressives that she couldn't talk about (sorry I can't remember which issue unless it was when the TPP hit the headlines briefly), and she hinted at it, rolled her eyes a lot, said rather tongue in cheek that there wasn't much news that night, and I could see how hard it was for her to be muzzled.
But now she seems to have adjusted. So MSNBC got rid of Ed Schultz and recently Melissa Harris Perry, but Rachel stays on, talking a lot about Trump and shilling for Hillary.
The spirit's gone. Let's hope the money and fame are worth it.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Definition of principles: A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
If you're going to hold yourself up as the morally superior candidate, then you need to stick to them. Bernie doesn't have a super PAC, but he has his "principles." I like that. That's what draws people to him. That's what his whole candidacy is built on.
Ya can't trash them 3rd quarter.
senz
(11,945 posts)Response to senz (Reply #34)
snowy owl This message was self-deleted by its author.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)it's like matter and anti-matter. . . . .Clinton supporter and Principles.
Hurts the brain!
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)Because I've known her for years, I've watched her.
I watched as the Clintons turned a red country blue.
I watched her champion healthcare 20 years before anyone else had the guts to take it on.
I saw she and her husband provide desperately needed money for the fight against HIV/AIDS.
I heard her say that "women's rights, are human rights" and it brought me to tears.
I voted for her as Senator twice, as she faced constant character assassination from the right-wing.
I watched as she, the carpetbagger, handily defeated the NY darlings of the Republican Party. (It was a thing of beauty.)
I lived in NYC during 911. She was my senator. I watched her fight for the well being of first responders. I ran down the street, following The Columbus Day Parade in Manhattan, a month after the attack, just to keep my eyes on her.... hot coffee splashing over my hand. They said it was super dangerous, but there she was smiling and waving at us all.
I watched as she was defeated by President Obama, then fought for his election with all her heart. (like I did)
I watched her raked over the coals because of Benghazi and end up making the Republicans look like complete fools twice. OMG! I'd like to see Bernie do that. Look how he acted under 10 minutes of a reporter's questions.
I've seen Hillary Clinton in action for the better part of my life. I respect her. I think the right-wingers have done everything they could to pull her down. They've failed. She's about to become President of this beautiful nation.
You can google plenty of links to her official accomplishment, but this is why I love her.
Also, I hate, hate, hate to see the Bernie supporters spilling out right wing talking points. We're all better than that.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Impressive. Really.
And totally wrong.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)That matters.
Real "conversation" might be beneficial to us all.
Going to bed now. Nite.
Response to Skid Rogue (Reply #47)
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Skid Rogue
(711 posts)I'm bleary minded and tired, but I'll try to give you an answer tomorrow.
Good night, ChairmanAgnostic. Sweet dreams.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You could summarize it in 2 letters B and S.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I've been trying to think of a way to concisely point out how emotional Skid Rogue's points are and how so far from anything factual or truthful. I just said good-bye to a friend who finally admitted she is Hillary-bound because she thinks it's time we had a woman president. I nearly choked. I actually got emotional and said let's not talk about it anymore because I cannot stomach that answer.
What a scary and uninformed emotional electorate we have. And I believe Trump voters - all the voters on the right- are just the same. Right-wingers never analyze the issues. They always vote with their emotions. We are in such trouble. Our future is bleak.
My same friend remembers the nineties as great. I told her I voted Green because I could not vote for a second term for Bill. She did ask why and I reminded her of nafta, glasss-steagall, and workfair which destroyed black familes. She also said that Bernie's ideas are fantasy. When will Americans finally get their heads out of movies and propaganda and look at issues staight on? I'm disgusted with these people.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And the "Bernie's ideas are fantasy" . . I always like to remind them that there used to be free college in the US, Jefferson started the first land grant colleges. And EVERY other developed nation on EARTH has universal healthcare. Do they think that the US, which they say is number 1, is so stupid that we can't do what everyone else is already doing?
LisaM
(27,748 posts)In 1855?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Deregulation of Wall Street setting the grounds for the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression
DOMA
NAFTA -- wasn't that responsible for gutting manufacturing and the middle class
Welfare reform that shredded the social safety net.
And all that "tough on crime" BS that really did make America Number 1, for most people in prison in the world . . the largest % were African Americans, who now, for some reason, LOVE the Clintons who sent them all to prison. Go figure.
Oh, it goes on and on.
They did some good but they did a LOT of damage because they were the ones who originally decided that why should the Republican be the only ones getting corporate money, Democrats should do that too.
Congratulations Bill and Hillary Clinton, the first people to decide that the Democrats should sell out just like the Republicans. A proud and distinctive honor, on second thought, maybe it was a distinctive HORROR.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)at this point she probably needs a handler
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Since you didn't respond to our issues and points, do you think you are an emotional voter? I don't say it to offend you but to encourage you to think about it.