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[geek tragedy]

1. Counterpunch is a vile left wing authoritarian shitrag.

And they're anti Semites to boot.

Counterpunch recently published a piece calling for southern voters to be treated as 3/5 of a person for the nomination process.

Nasty hate sheet with lots of nasty people writing for it--nasty like Ted Cruz is nasty.

[bravenak]

5. It is.

I wish people had shame.

[Iliyah]

2. But it's left, and anything from the left is Liberal

[JI7]

7. it's not left, it's just conspiracy theory nutcases

with a lot of bigotry.

[SMC22307]

3. You don't get to control what others say.

Why so much difficulty grasping that concept?

[hrmjustin]

6. You think it is appropriate to say African Americans have Stockholm syndrome?

[SMC22307]

9. Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth, er, thoughts in my head, but...

FAIL.

[hrmjustin]

10. It is a relevant question. Can you answer it?

[SMC22307]

15. I could, but I'm going Bartleby on this one. (n/t)

[hrmjustin]

17. How courageous of you!

[SMC22307]

20. Thank you. (n/t)

[sheshe2]

70. Okay.

Answer received loud and clear. We got it.

[Scootaloo]

41. Do you think the following is appropriate?

As for Bernie the Bolshevik, a self-described "democratic socialist", it is amusing to see some in the alternative news community falling hook, hammer and sickle for his "outsider" populist act - a cynical scam sold to the sheeple by the seditious scribblers of Sulzberger's Slimes. Far from being an "outsider", Sanders is a dyed-in-the-wool pro-Fed and pro-Israel Marxist from Ben & Jerry's commie-pinko-hippie Vermont. Sander's fake "populism" is that of the Jewish rabble-rouser on a soap box, a la Leon Trotsky (Russia), Emma Goldman (United States), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany) and Bela Kun (Hungary).

On the foreign policy front, Sanders is quick to rightfully condemn the GOP and Bibi Satanyahu as warmongers; but he has also supported sanctions against Iran while repeating the dirty Zionist lie that Iran is a potential nuclear threat. He supported the brutal war on Kosovo, the invasion of Afghanistan, funding for the endless disaster in Iraq and the never-ending "War on Terror".

As for Israel; Bernie may pay lip service to peace, yet he faithfully supports billions of dollars in foreign aid to Tel Aviv and has backed Bibi Satanyahu's murderous bombing of Gaza, both in 2014 and 2009. Several former members of Bernie's staff have even worked for AIPAC.

Sanders, like almost every other Big Jew in America, is also a rabid Russia basher:

Frankly, a Sanders Presidency, though unlikely, would be preferrable to that of another Bush or another Clinton. With an actual full blown Tribesman in the White House, it could serve to wake some people up to who the real bosses are. But then again, Boobus Americanus still might not ever wake up.

I ask you this because one of your fellow Hillary supporters decided that this rhetoric was fit to bring to us via a neo-nazi website called tomatobubble.

I also ask because, even if you do not find it appropriate, Bravenak certainly did.

[NuclearDem]

49. Come on, Scootaloo. I thought you were smarter than that.

That was absolutely no different than when Sanders supporters walk in here obsessing over the Clinton Foundation, emails, Benghazi, and any number of rightwing memes they think Clinton is going to face in the general.

CajunBlazer and bravenak are not antisemites. What's worse is you seem to want to make them look that way to draw attention from an appallingly racist attack against black Clinton supporters.

Come on, man, you're better than that.

[Cassiopeia]

84. Really?

You think Clinton will NOT face questions about the Clinton Foundation, emails, or Benghazi?

Not only will she face them, they will be in the media front and center as soon as the primaries are concluded.

Additionally we'll see daily updates on the state of pending indictments, real or speculation.

This is REALITY, not something in the past that will be ignored.

[yardwork]

104. That's the point.

Vile accusations will be thrown at whichever candidate wins the nomination.

[Downwinder]

102. Can I say that "Americans" have Stockholm syndrome?

Can you imagine us having a successful General Strike?

[bravenak]

8. People need to knock it off

[SMC22307]

11. Attempting to control discussion on a message board is futile.

But do go on...

[geek tragedy]

13. She shouldn't have to tell people to avoid being racist assholes

but if they persist it's her right to call them out and demand they knock it off.

[SMC22307]

18. LOL @ "demand they knock it off."

You guys are hilarious.

[geek tragedy]

22. Do you think people of color are out of line to demand that people

not say racist shit at DU?

[SMC22307]

28. I've been on this board a couple of years and am not so arrogant...

as to "demand" anyone do anything. And I'm not taking orders from anyone who gleefully posts, or cheers posts, about "white supremacist liberals," useless or otherwise. The double standard is astounding.

Amnesia, indeed!

And on that note, I'm out. Bed.

[geek tragedy]

29. It is very clear what your position on racist speech is

Thank you for clarifying

[SMC22307]

30. Horseshit. What's clear is I reject the double standard.

Again... bed.

[Spacedog1973]

107. There is no double standard

For white supremacy

[Scootaloo]

43. I thought we were roaches?

[bravenak]

44. That was PRIVATE

[WorseBeforeBetter]

57. This is PUBLIC.

Quote# 117360

I cannot stand him. His fans are racists who run around calling blacks racist and wonder why we hate him and them. I don't even LIKE Hillary but I will vote for her just so his fans can feel the sne BERN that they have been passing out.

Look at the racist comments here. I did not know jews hated us blacks so much. Good to know. I will return it in kind. There are so few of them It's a wonder they have the gall to think about being racist against blacks.

Bravenak, Frontpage Mag 6 Comments [3/11/2016 4:32:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 3

WTF?! || meh

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360

Oh, hey, it's you, Mochaloca!

[Scootaloo]

60. Bffft!

[geek tragedy]

62. You seem determined to shout down people objecting

to the vile racism of 50+ of your fellow Bernie supporters.

Why is that?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

63. See post #57. Are you really sure...

the OP is someone you want to throw your support behind?

Really?

[geek tragedy]

68. i'll take her over large packs of racist bullies nt

[WorseBeforeBetter]

69. Who, really, is the racist bully?

Surely you can't be that blinded...

[rhett o rick]

132. Was this "label them racist and ban them all" a tactic coming from the Think Tank?

Those that run around screaming "racist, racist" should look in the mirror. I think it's racist to use racism as a tool to lock, hide and ban those that don't agree with a certain worldview. A worldview that is dominated by a blind loyalty to a tough authoritarian leader.

[bravenak]

65. Better to go search out one time I acted like a fucking asshole than to discuss the millions

of nasty posts about black folks. I know I say fucked up shit sometimes, and I feel like shit about it. But I do not pretend to be perfect or that I have never ever fucked up.
Still don't change the fact that people need to stop saying we have stockholm syndrome.

[Scootaloo]

73. Laughing at, not shouting down

Bravenak is being an enormous hypocrite.

[geek tragedy]

74. I guess that excuses the racist taunting of the entire AA community

by your fellow travelers.

But, hey, African-American voters cost your guy the nomination so you think they deserve some payback, right?

Those who are okay with racism in the context of a primary contest are never not okay with racism.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

67. Such a fucking double standard, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

And you, actually, call it out better than anyone on this site.

[coyote]

86. Wow wow wow!!!

I have seen hypocrisy in my time, but this one takes the cake.

[melman]

88. Wow

That's ugly. But hardly surprising.

[Bonobo]

105. That is very hurtful. Black people have no better allies than Jews in their fight for social justice

We have had their backs for a very long time and we do not teach, in our synagogues, that they are responsible for the death of our savior.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

130. This is among the ugliest racist filth I've seen on this site.

Racist filth.

[Scootaloo]

58. Hah!

"Oh, you know, when I dehumanize and denigrate the group you belong to, you KNOW I don't mean you personally, right?"

"Wait, how DARE you broad-brush the group I belong to?!"

[geek tragedy]

61. I never called anyone roaches. I am saying you don't deserve

to be insulted that way.

Unlike some of the putrid racists we have here at DU

[joshcryer]

66. If you associate with that group, it's on you.

I frankly don't.

[Scootaloo]

75. I'm a Sanders supporter. Talk shit about Sanders supporters, talk shit about me.

You don't get to go "oh but I don't mean you of course!"

That's the exact same thing you guys are pretending to have a problem with.

[joshcryer]

77. "Supporter."

The real litmus test of Sanders "support" will be how many OPs and threads people make for Sanders' rallies where he stumps for Clinton. How people will stop making smears against Clinton and her supporters because they would apply directly to Sanders himself.

Sanders will be going under the bus and the real Sanders supporters will be obvious.

[Scootaloo]

80. I've actually been working on a relevant OP. Keep your eyes open.

Speaking of buses, you might want to stop jumping in front of them for racists, yourself.

[joshcryer]

82. "jumping in front of them for racists"

And who might that be?

Sounds like a fascinating argument. I can't see how anyone can side against being sensitive toward people openly hurt by being accused of "Stockholm syndrome" for supporting a candidate.

[geek tragedy]

78. that's right--circle the wagons around your comrades while they

direct racist taunts at black voters and DUers.

Because team loyalty is more important than objecting to racism.

[Scootaloo]

81. I'm objecting to a racist calling people roaches, geek

That's what you're defending.

[Waiting For Everyman]

85. I second your post.

It's an interesting phenomenon -- people who think they're being disrespected because they don't get to dominate other people. smh

[uponit7771]

134. Calling someone an overt racist for their negatively labeling an ethnicity or race isn't dominating

... anyone its telling the truth

[uponit7771]

133. We can ask overt racist to stop posting here though, we get to say that

[lovemydog]

4. Agree.

That kind of patronizing racism has no place in our society. It hurts. It certainly has no place on this site.

[bravenak]

12. It does hurt.

I hope they stop

[hrmjustin]

14. As I said in the other thread it is done to bait people, particularly you, into hides.

[bravenak]

16. I agree

Shameful

[hrmjustin]

21. I just barely survived a jury in his thread. It was done to bait.

[bravenak]

25. Damn straight

On purpose

[fun n serious]

52. This place has always had a racist problem

I'm surprised they're not supporting Trump.

[bravenak]

55. Me too for some

[geek tragedy]

31. Admins need to act. nt

[hrmjustin]

34. The mask came off that one tonight.

[geek tragedy]

64. No, the mask didn't come off, the hood did nt

[KingFlorez]

19. A lot of people are showing who they really are

This primary has been a revealing one to say the least.

[bravenak]

26. I Cannot unsee this

Very disturbing to say the least

[Number23]

37. They've always shown who they are. But there were enough folks just like them before to cover it up

The bushes have gotten a little harder to hide in lately.

[geek tragedy]

42. Yep. nt

[uponit7771]

135. +1

[MaggieD]

23. +1

[Starry Messenger]

24. Black people are the most progressive voters in the US.

Anyone denigrating the AA vote is not a progressive, they are a reactionary.

[bravenak]

27. Yep

After this year, I see things a whole new way

[AZ Progressive]

76. Certainly not on cultural issues

Try telling that to gay people. One only needs to remember Prop 8.

[Starry Messenger]

111. Debunked years ago. Keep up.

[Cha]

92. That's one word for them.

[geek tragedy]

32. Fuck racists. nt

[bravenak]

36. Cannot stand them

[BainsBane]

33. What it shows is profound contempt

for the democratic rights of black people and all citizens who dare to vote independent of their demands. It demonstrates that they see the majority of Americans as less than them, less informed and less capable of exercising the right to vote. It shows that their values are diametrically opposed to equality and democracy.

[bravenak]

35. Damn straight!

And it seems they think we CANNOT EVEN READ

[whirlygigspin]

38. why are you so upset?

Hillary said she will give tax breaks to companies so they can create jobs in poor areas

She will probably be the nominee

The debate has more or less ended in the media

I would think you would be very happy at this point

I'm confused, is this not the candidate you wanted?

[bravenak]

39. I said why

[geek tragedy]

40. They are upset because they are facing racist taunts at a supposedly

progressive website.

[Haveadream]

72. Most AA Democrats

assume there will be hostile and bigoted attitudes coming from the likes of the Republicans or Trump and company. When it emerges from one's own Party and particularly, from those who align with what they claim is progressive ideology, it hits much closer to home. When the very people upon whom you are supposed to depend turn out to be covertly and now, overtly, de facto racists, it forces you to reassess your relationships with them and what your Party stands for.

A literal textbook attitude of white supremacy surfaced from some Sander's supporters during the primary, in writing, for all the world to see. That is something everyone needs to examine and denounce and anyone who acts as an apologist is complicit. It has nothing to do with who did or did not win. To ignore it would be to remain in denial. Facing it head on is an act of bravery and realism and also the most important step in identifying and eradicating the problem. It is a process and one that is far more painful for the victims than the perpetrators. Bravnak is granting those who exposed the repellent underbelly of their characters a lot more opportunity to explain and absolve themselves than they probably deserve but the only way out is through. And for that, she has my admiration.

Peace

[whirlygigspin]

91. thanks for helping me understand a bit

I think it was the taunting of the 'what stages of grief are the Bernie people in' that set this off

it was hurtful and unneeded; perhaps one shouldn't 'kick a dog when he's down' and then be surprise if he bites back.

I read the article, meh, made me think of Nina Simone...I could say the same thing about anyone in any relationship.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017336651

[Cha]

94. Yes it does and it speaks poorly for the sanders campaign.

[Surya Gayatri]

45. Enormous K & R. Shameless, blatant race baiting.

This type of nasty and baseless charge has no place in Democratic politics.

[bravenak]

46. I cannot believe he did it again

[Surya Gayatri]

48. Him and his jumpy frog thingy make me want to gag.

Sadly, I'll never be able to use this little froggy again. It'll be forever tainted by association with HIM.

[bravenak]

50. The trayvon hoodie is the thing that gets to me

Like, yeah right.

[geek tragedy]

51. Should be a different hood nt

[bravenak]

53. I'm sayin!

[Surya Gayatri]

56. That's the god's truth...

[Surya Gayatri]

54. That, too.

[betsuni]

71. K&R

[Haveadream]

83. What stands out

is the mistaken belief that all things are otherwise equal. That we are starting with an even playing field. So that anything anyone says is within bounds. No. I call false equivalency. Reverse racism (or sexism for that matter) is not actually able to be a "thing" yet.

[bravenak]

101. I agree

[oasis]

109. Excellent .Clever way of putting "reverse racism" in proper perspective.

thanks for posting.

[kath]

87. Does anyone else remember that J.C. Watt's father said "A black person voting for a Republican makes

about as much sense as a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders?

Discuss.

[pdsimdars]

89. Stop telling people what they can say and what they can't say. You don't have the right.

[Buzz cook]

93. Actually he does have the right.

It's that first amendment thing.

[bravenak]

100. I can say whatever I want

[GusBob]

103. Lol the irony

You get tell people tho

[pdsimdars]

112. That is funny, He's telling people what they can and can't say and yet when you tell him

not to tell you what to say, he says you can't say that.
Not very rational or balanced thinking.

[GusBob]

123. QED

bravenak is a woman

[SoLeftIAmRight]

90. have never said anything like that

but you might want to do a little research on personality

[bravenak]

99. I nver said you did

If it dont apply let it fly

[SoLeftIAmRight]

131. something will

know thy self

[LWolf]

95. I don't have to stop saying that,

because I never have.

Ever.

[bravenak]

97. I appreciate that

[delrem]

96. oh oh oh! Your straight man fed you your line. What a surprise!

Myself, I don't give a fuck who it is voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton, I think they are all the same in that respect.

For them, Arab lives don't matter very much. I mean, war is a business.

[bravenak]

98. Ok.

I am not particularly in love with any us politician

[SidDithers]

106. One of the most racist threads in DU history did exactly that...

and was cheered on and rec'd by 65 DUers.

Edit: Oh fuck. I hadn't realized that he did it again.



Sid

[JoePhilly]

113. Yup, doubled down on stupid.

I'm guessing the plan is to go out in a blaze of glory in multiple personality Manny style.

[LexVegas]

108. Do you think those that attack civil rights icons such as John Lewis and Dolores Huerta will stop?

It won't end until their divisive revolution is put out of its misery.

[bravenak]

118. noooo

I think this primary needs to end right now

[Gothmog]

110. The article cited in OP is disgusting

The Counterpunch is really very very sad

[pdsimdars]

114. This argument makes no sense

No one that I ever heard has ever said that all black people have stockholm syndrome. But what I have heard is media saying that Hillary won the black vote in the south. Is that saying Hillary won "an entire race of people's" votes in the south? Not at all.
They are describing a voting group as they always do for EVERY voting group. It is YOU who is making this a "thing". They say Bernie appeals to the young. HOW DARE THEY refer to an entire subset of the electorate?
And we have all wondered why the poor in the south keep voting in Republicans who will legislate AGAINST them. Is that saying everyone in the south who is poor is stupid? No, it is not. We have heard the reasons why people might question the voting of those people in the south, because it doesn't make sense to keep voting in these people. It is against their interests and any rational person would think that means they are lacking some information -- low information voters.
That is the same situation with this black voting group in the south. To try to make it something else is disingenuous.

PS. . . I see there was a link to an article. I didn't read it. Maybe it was horrible, but still, I responded to what you wrote

[bravenak]

115. This post right here is why we went hillary

[NWCorona]

116. While I disagree with the Stockholm syndrome premise

I'm tired of all of the race baiting posts on both sides and it will probably ballance out once everybody takes a breath.

[bravenak]

117. It will end like it began

Started getting worse when the primary started and will end just about never.

[NWCorona]

119. You might be right as we will always have issues with race

And policies will never fix that. That doesn't mean we can't try tho.

[bravenak]

129. Yep

Make as many laws as we can and remember that we help us. Nobody else will and never have out of pure selflessness.

[Live and Learn]

120. Nobody said it was black people. It is many people of all different races. And it is real. nt

[bravenak]

121. 'Nobody said it was black people'???!!!???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511520728

YES THEY MOST CERTAINLY DID!!!

[Live and Learn]

122. That includes some black people. It is not exclusive to them. nt

[bravenak]

125. Well, he has been banned.

[Live and Learn]

127. I am not sure why anyone feels a need to ban Bernie supporters.

I think most of them will voluntarily leave if he doesn't win.

[bravenak]

128. I dont know. Earlg did it

Had nothing to do with hides. Admin call.

[In_The_Wind]

124. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027693888

[bravenak]

126. Thank you. I am shocked.

[TheBlackAdder]

136. Poli-sci classes show AA community being co-opted by white bourgeoisie establishment 130 yrs.

[bravenak]

137. Have fun in class

I did my polysci requirements. I prefer sociological courses.