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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:36 PM Mar 2016

The Future of Our Country Is At Stake in This Election.

It has come to my attention that some of the Hillary supporters are having fun ousting Bernie supporters for speaking our minds.

This election is not a question of my team wins; yours loses. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

This is not a football game. It isn't a wrestling match. It isn't a cartoon either.

We are deciding the future of our country.

We who support Bernie support him because we believe that his stands on the issues point us in the direction that we as a nation need to go if we are to survive as one whole, united country for at least the next 50 years.

We believe that he has the experience, both executive as mayor for 8 years of Burlington, Vt. and in Congress since 1992 and that his knowledge and understanding of the issues facing our country far exceed that of Hillary Clinton.

Remember, the first and foremost jobs of a president are to pick the heads of departments who will make decisions that are in the interests of all Americans and not just in the interests of a few wealthy individuals and companies. Secondarily, the president makes the final decision on issues of all kinds. How well he or she can make those decisions depends on his or her character but also on the information provided by the president's appointees. I trust Bernie to choose the best aides and advisers and heads of departments to help him make decisions. Bernie's picks will not be dictated by wealthy donors to his campaign. Bernie will choose the best.

Our financial system is mired in lies and corruption. I support Bernie in great part because of his promise to clean up our financial system, to clean out the fraud and dishonesty of all kinds from our financial system.

Our trade deficit is the worst in the world, and our industrial states have been gutted of good jobs. We are no longer economically self-sufficient. We can no longer produce the parts for our cars.

We won WWII because our mighty industry was independent and could be geared to produce war material in a short time. That advantage is gone and should we have a war, should we, let's say have a dispute with even our closest neighbors, we would be unable to defend ourselves because we do not produce enough industrial material to survive without trade. That is a major security issue that is ignored because the multinationals love "free" trade and the huge profits that come with it. Never mind that our industrial core and our self-sufficiency have been destroyed.

I support Bernie because he opposes the give-away-to-the-multinational-corporations that NAFTA and other trade agreements put in place. Our tax policy should be fair. Revenue that is hidden in other countries but that has accrued thanks to trade in the US should be taxed at US rates.

I support Bernie because of his strong and long-standing stance in favor of civil rights and his welcome and strong stance in favor of Black Lives Matter. He began to fight for civil rights and racial equality as a student in the 1960s. He was arrested then and we have the photos to prove it. The accusations against him that claim he is a racist are the lowest lies that I have seen on this board. If lying is a ground for removal from this board then anyone who calls Bernie a racist should be removed. Because it is a terrible lie.

I support Bernie because he supports women's rights. No comment needed there. No one who is sane questions that.

I support Bernie because of his strong stance on the environment. He does not support fracking. If president, he will pick people to lead our Agricultural Dept. and the EPA who are independent and concerned about the environment. He will not pick leaders based on their financial support of his campaigns.

I support Benrie for his stands on many other issues but most of all because he is a moral human being who asks the question, "What is the right thing to do here?" He is human and is not and will not always be right, but at least that is his core question. He will not be heard to say, "We came, we conquered, he died" or any other statement that denigrates human life and is followed by a smirk and maybe a silent giggle. Killing will not be viewed as a sport by him.

Above all, I support Bernie because of his stand on campaign finance. He will not be beholden in the slightest to anyone because of their big bucks. I like that. It will be a change and very good for America.

On all of these issues, Hillary fails big time.

On the issues, Bernie wins fair and square.

The campaign to remove Bernie supporters from DU, to my mind, proves the weakness of Hillary's campaign and her platform. She is money rich but morality and ideas poor.

Her supporters cannot compete when it comes to ideas and conceptual depth in their posts.

So when Hillary supporters read my posts and want to bar me from DU because they feel offended by something I say, I hope they will remember that my posts are not aimed at them, not aimed to offend or not offend them as individuals. Rather my posts are intended to stand up for what I believe is right. If I sometimes step on toes, I apologize, but I say what I believe is right. No one can do better. I think Bernie is doing the same.

Bernie avoids negative campaigning because it distracts from the message about moral and economic right and wrong. But as voters it is our duty to scrutinize the conduct, ideas, proposals, campaign funders, histories and everything there is to know about the candidates.

Feel the Bern!



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The Future of Our Country Is At Stake in This Election. (Original Post) JDPriestly Mar 2016 OP
BRAVO! Faux pas Mar 2016 #1
If the future of our country is at stake... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #2
You don't really get the implications of the Electoral College, do you? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #8
I'm in the exact same situation. Sometimes you "throw away" your vote by reinforcing a majority... villager Mar 2016 #39
Deflection. kath Mar 2016 #9
Then frickin' vote for the guy who has a better chance of winning! mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #12
For me, Hillary is just as bad as Trump. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #16
I support him as well....Problem is, it looks likely he wont be the nominee. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #3
Vote for him in the primary. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #17
Let's make a statement. I'm 72. You never know what may happen between now and the JDPriestly Mar 2016 #24
If that's true, why are union locals still endorsing him? RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #28
Hillary is a terrible candidate. If nominated, she will not win. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #33
Yet polls show she will dominate in California. I guess all those Clinton votes Hoyt Mar 2016 #36
The polls have been quite inaccurate in many states. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #37
You have eloquently stated what I believe also, thank you JDPriestly! peacebird Mar 2016 #4
You just did something very rare here casperthegm Mar 2016 #5
Well Said, Sir!!! LongTomH Mar 2016 #6
K&R. You have expressed exactly my feelings on the matter. Bravo! JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #7
What a beautiful quote. Thank you! JDPriestly Mar 2016 #18
I apologize -- that was RFK. No wonder they couldn't let him be president. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #19
Yeah that's all good, but Hillary supporters support her because she is tough. That's way more rhett o rick Mar 2016 #10
so exactly how many bernie supporters have been kicked off DU by the hillary police? nt msongs Mar 2016 #11
That's all rather immaterial now, eh? Since "the amnesty" the most caustic, the most... Raster Mar 2016 #13
So the actual problem is that there's now 18% Hillary supporters here instead of 15%? Dem2 Mar 2016 #27
If you don't think that there are belligerents on the Sanders side mythology Mar 2016 #30
K and R! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #14
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #15
I wish I could hug you! Avalux Mar 2016 #20
Correction: Lorien Mar 2016 #21
And Hillary is weak on these issues. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #25
Extremely. Bernie is the strongest candidate on environmental issues in at least Lorien Mar 2016 #35
Fresh off the Konica at Bernie HQ? Tarc Mar 2016 #22
What is a Konica? JDPriestly Mar 2016 #26
Konica Minolta makes copiers Fumesucker Mar 2016 #40
Great post, JD. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #23
Yes. I think so much about my wonderful ancestors. My family was early to the US. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #29
Another beautifully expressed post. Thank you for saying it so well. haikugal Mar 2016 #31
Once again, a top quality post from JDPriestly! Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #32
Thanks for expressing it so well, JD senz Mar 2016 #34
You have outdone yourself, JDP, and that's a high bar. Thank you for expressing my sentiments DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #38
Wonderful post, JDPriestly! Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #41
Thank you. djean111 Mar 2016 #42
It's boiled down to three remaining cndidates. JEB Mar 2016 #43
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. If the future of our country is at stake...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:39 PM
Mar 2016

Then someone tell the Bernie Or Bust crowd that not voting for the Dem nominee is a vote for Trump.

Sometimes ya gotta vote against a worst case scenario.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
8. You don't really get the implications of the Electoral College, do you?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:50 PM
Mar 2016

For the majority of us, our vote in the GE is meaningless. We don't live in swing states. Me not voting for Shillary is no more a vote for Trump than it is a vote for Vermin Supreme. My state's electors are all going to the Democratic candidate, regardless.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
39. I'm in the exact same situation. Sometimes you "throw away" your vote by reinforcing a majority...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:44 AM
Mar 2016

...if your state's electors are already predetermined.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
12. Then frickin' vote for the guy who has a better chance of winning!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

Oh yeah, you have 4000 pages lined up for why Hillary is more electable in spite of the polls.

Silly me.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. For me, Hillary is just as bad as Trump.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:42 PM
Mar 2016

Her reliance on Kissinger with regard to foreign policy scares me just as much as Trump does.

I don't like Trump. I don't want him to be president. But I don't like Hillary either and I have good reasons for not liking her.

Further I don't think Hillary can beat Trump.

Why?

Her stance on trade is shaky. Americans even the staunch Hillary supporters I talk to are sick of our inability to compete economically due to our trade agreements.

In the past, Hillary has defended the trade agreements.

Trump came out against the trade agreements, I suspect, because he knows that opposition to those agreements is an issue that unites Americans, especially working Americans, and that Hillary is very vulnerable on that issue.

So, voting for a Democrat whose stance, whose historical links to trade agreements and H1-B visas, etc. make her vulnerable is a vote for Trump.

He will beat her on that issue.

If Bernie is our candidate, Bernie wins on that and many, many other issues.

It's about the issues. Hillary is popular among Democrats, but she is really, really weak as a candidate against Trump.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
3. I support him as well....Problem is, it looks likely he wont be the nominee.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

I haven't given up yet, trust me, but that is the way it looks.

So I am preparing myself for outwardly, financially and in every way supporting the candidate, regardless.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Vote for him in the primary.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

If you think Hillary will win, that is all the more reason to vote for Bernie.

I want Bernie to have a huge number of delegates at the Democratic Primary and a huge show of strength in the Democratic Party.

The only way to change the unworkable, tired, old structure and power hierarchy of the Democratic Party and the country is to vote for Bernie who is challenging the structure and hierarchy that is not working.

We in California do not vote until June 7. It isn't over until we and those who vote after us have voted.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Let's make a statement. I'm 72. You never know what may happen between now and the
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:55 AM
Mar 2016

convention. Vote for the person you really think is the best candidate, not for the person the media wants you to vote for.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
28. If that's true, why are union locals still endorsing him?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:07 AM
Mar 2016

Don't let the corporate-financed pundits end this primary season long before it's over. Remember: This is supposed to be a democracy, not some beauty contest bought and paid for by the likes of Donald Trump.

This is America! We don't anoint candidates or buy them; we elect them based on the will of the people, all of the people, not just a few front-loaded states; not the power and the money of the few.

As for me, my hopes are riding on the kid from Brooklyn.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. Hillary is a terrible candidate. If nominated, she will not win.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mar 2016

I'm in California. Unless something horrible happens, California will vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what. I will vote for all the Democrats on my ballot except Hillary. I will never vote for her.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. Yet polls show she will dominate in California. I guess all those Clinton votes
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:07 AM
Mar 2016

will he from people less astute than you.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. The polls have been quite inaccurate in many states.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:19 AM
Mar 2016

In California, we have been calling other states. I have a sign in my yard and I wear my tee-shirt, but we are not yet campaigning here. The polls will change when we start. When i wear my tee-shirt, people stop me to tell me how much they like Bernie. I have done a tiny bit of campaigning pretty much on my own maybe with a friend, and the reception is incredibly good. I live on the East side and it may be more Bernie country here. I am extremely optimistic.

I have done a lot of campaigning including a lot for Obama especially in 2012. I have never seen such enthusiasm for a candidate as I have witnessed for Bernie in my area of Los Angeles. It has been incredible, and as I said, we really haven't started here yet.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
5. You just did something very rare here
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:41 PM
Mar 2016

You listed multiple issues and compared and contrasted the candidates effectively. Usually, it's just rhetoric. I'm at work, so I can only add so much to this conversation, but thank you for your post. I know it must feel like you're banging your head against the wall sometimes, but keep fighting the fight. The future of our country really is at stake here.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
7. K&R. You have expressed exactly my feelings on the matter. Bravo!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:45 PM
Mar 2016

It's our country, our future, our national morality at stake. It's not a game.

Sorry, I get a little patriotic when I listen to Springsteen.

Here is what I think John F. Kennedy would say to the neoliberals taking over our party:

"Too much and for too long, we seemed to have surrendered personal excellence and community values in the mere accumulation of material things. Our Gross National Product, now, is over $800 billion dollars a year, but that Gross National Product - if we judge the United States of America by that - that Gross National Product counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for the people who break them. It counts the destruction of the redwood and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl. It counts napalm and counts nuclear warheads and armored cars for the police to fight the riots in our cities. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children. Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country, it measures everything in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans."

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
18. What a beautiful quote. Thank you!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

I have so often had the same thoughts about the Gross National Product now called the Gross Domestic Product. I was a teenager when JFK ran for president. I may have heard him say that but I doubt that I did.

He is absolutely right.

The GDP measures good and bad. It has no moral or even practical measure of the human price, loss or human value, gain. It just adds numbers.]

Every gun sold. Every injury. Every funeral. Every hospital. All the good, but also all the bad products we buy and sell are counted. But the human cost is not even measured.

It's a stupid measure and we should not use it.

Bernie has good moral judgment. That's why it's Bernie or bust for me.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. Yeah that's all good, but Hillary supporters support her because she is tough. That's way more
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

important than empathy.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
13. That's all rather immaterial now, eh? Since "the amnesty" the most caustic, the most...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

...belligerent are back with management's *seeming* blessing.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
27. So the actual problem is that there's now 18% Hillary supporters here instead of 15%?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

...and that the O/P is being deceptive, it was actually the majority here that had been gleefully getting Hillary supporters ejected by abusing the jury system?

You can't say what I said isn't true based on the O/P and your post above.

I wish both sides would just admit that they root for their side and pretend not to see transgressions on their own side of the aisle.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
30. If you don't think that there are belligerents on the Sanders side
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:16 AM
Mar 2016

I'd like to remind you that it was a Sanders supporter who said blacks are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and are like a battered wife in relation to the Clintons.

Pretending that mud hasn't been slung from the Sanders side is just delusional. And yet in these sort of threads, it is never mentioned by any Sanders supporters.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
35. Extremely. Bernie is the strongest candidate on environmental issues in at least
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:59 AM
Mar 2016

40 years, if not of all time!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
26. What is a Konica?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

I wrote this. I have written a lot in my life. If you disagree with me, please write a post arguing for voting for Hillary. I have seen one such post. I would like to read a post like mine written by a Hillary supporter. Maybe it isn't possible to write such a post.

I feel I should ad that I volunteer for the Bernie Sanders campaign locally in California like thousands of other people.

I have no special tie other than as a volunteer to the campaign.

I have a lot of experience campaigning for candidates.

I am in no way employed by or paid by the Sanders campaign.

I write from my heart but I do have many years of experience writing but not fiction -- grants and other kinds of documents.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
40. Konica Minolta makes copiers
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:01 AM
Mar 2016

It was a calculated personal insult because they are incapable of writing such a well thought out and heartfelt piece as your OP.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
23. Great post, JD.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

Can you imagine how this campaign season looks to our ancestors?
WWII had people with political viewpoints from every possible position on the political spectrum pulling together to win that war.

But, here we find some wishing that the candidate with more money from Goldman Sachs becomes the one to represent us??
WTF?

How far down the pipe has this site gone when people claim that Bernie isn't good enough, even though he is to the left of President Obama?

That does not even make sense.

So, even though it may be hard for some to see, the future is not as bright with their concept in mind.
The GE will be nothing but a liar's contest if Hillary faces off against Trump in the fall.

We hold our caucus here in Idaho on Tuesday.
Hillary didn't even come here to campaign.
She has never been to Idaho.

Bernie just held a rally in Idaho Falls here today.
He'll be in Boise on Monday.



JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. Yes. I think so much about my wonderful ancestors. My family was early to the US.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

Some were here long, long ago.

What we are doing to the earth they bequeathed us is inexcusable.

Good luck with the rally and the primary.

Feel the Bern!

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
31. Another beautifully expressed post. Thank you for saying it so well.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:24 AM
Mar 2016

You've captured the essence of our revolution and our candidate. Such is the quality of Bernie supporters. What a difference!

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
38. You have outdone yourself, JDP, and that's a high bar. Thank you for expressing my sentiments
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:23 AM
Mar 2016

better than I ever could. I wish others would take your words of wisdom to heart. Thanks for trying and for all you do!!!

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
41. Wonderful post, JDPriestly!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:01 AM
Mar 2016

I especially liked this:

We won WWII because our mighty industry was independent and could be geared to produce war material in a short time. That advantage is gone and should we have a war, should we, let's say have a dispute with even our closest neighbors, we would be unable to defend ourselves because we do not produce enough industrial material to survive without trade. That is a major security issue that is ignored because the multinationals love "free" trade and the huge profits that come with it. Never mind that our industrial core and our self-sufficiency have been destroyed. --JDPriestly


But it isn't just our "industrial core" and our "self-sufficiency" that have been destroyed, but also our very sovereignty as a people. "Free trade" means "free trade for the uber-rich" whoever they are, and wherever they have set up their tax dodge headquarters. Further, the secret tribunals that decide what labor, environmental and food safety laws we are permitted to have are not comprised only of American representatives--however unrepresentative and unaccountable they are; these tribunals are comprised of the representatives of foreign countries and transglobal corporations and their many lawyers, as well.

Our sovereignty as a people is GONE. It no longer exists. The matter has been taken out of our hands.

Those of us who understand this are voting our conscience and are trying one more time to be heard. Our country and our democracy have been gutted. Sanders has inspired us to make the effort within this gutted and unresponsive system that has been so rigged against the truth in so many ways, including all the disinformation and lies that our people get rammed into their brains every day by Corporate propaganda media. It is simply a wonder that the Sanders campaign has gotten this far and is still viable for a nomination win. Bernie Sanders is a very great man, indeed. And our collective effort in support of him is also a great and wondrous development. It is without precedent in American history, given the odds against it and the enormous handicaps that it has faced from the beginning, and still faces.

Here's to our country and our democracy being restored!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
42. Thank you.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:19 AM
Mar 2016

I suspect that my ignore list prevents me from seeing many of the replies to this. Probably for the best.
Excellent list, excellent and true reasons to support Bernie, and excellent and clear illustration as to why the choice is not the usual dithering between two candidates with much the same platform, where personality and so on play a big part, but the choice is between two almost completely different ways of looking at what is best for the country - and whether their vision of this country is for the people or the 1% and the neo-cons and the Third Way.

To me, anyone who votes for the Third Way and war and fracking, etc. - well you were told what would happen. But my family and friends don't deserve to have this deliberately inflicted upon them because it is somebody's "turn", for some pointless historical footnote, for some inane chatter about length of time with a "D" on the jersey. Neither does the rest of the world.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
43. It's boiled down to three remaining cndidates.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Mar 2016

The Republicans are enthralled with a self absorbed blowhard. One of the remaining Democratic candidates is pro war, pro fracking, pro TTP and TTIP, pro Wall Street, pro deregulation, pro privatization. One obvious candidate left.

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