2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCould you imagine the uproar if Clinton walked out of an interview. Hoo boy.
http://www.12news.com/mb/news/12-news-one-on-one-with-bernie-sanders/87672745Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)So to be consistent, I want to say this is not something we need to be pointing out as a criticism of Bernie.
With all due respect, and I mean that.
I just think we need to start to come together.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)I think that this is relevant to a candidate's ability to deal with the incredible stress of being CIC.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I think it is a very relevant thing to know that a candidate seeking the office of the Presidency of the United States can stand up under pressure and under fire, even when his/her family is being taken to task.
panader0
(25,816 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Now, since I have researched all the many many more, and I know the bullshit as defining so much, lies, .... I really wonder about this one. Clinton can truly say it is the complete opposite of how so many define. She is such NOT a liar, that one stands out in such contrast, I would love to hear the reasoning.
Sanders on the other hand... Alllllll over the place. The complete opposite of the caricature we create for him.
Makes one wondering if it is the whole misogyny thing of .... all women lie. No woman can be trusted.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)riversedge
(70,077 posts)monmouth4
(9,686 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And her solution to the Syrian issue was to shoot down Russian planes.
riversedge
(70,077 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Who voted to destroy Iraq? Who took a podium in the Senate, and parroted every single line of spew from the Bush administration, in order to secure votes for the obliteration of Iraq? Which candidate then, years later, seeing the disaster she had helped wrought, smiled and told her donors, "this is a business opportunity!"
Which candidate, while in the State Department, pushed hte obama administration for a regime change policy in Libya, followed by immediate abandonment of the state, creating a humanitarian disaster and actually creating a forward base for Daesh - all amazingly forseeable outcomes.
Did sanders then laugh at the destruction of Libya, mangle a Julius Caesar quote, and completely own the disaster like it's a good thing?
of the two candidates, who had the harshest criticism of Obama and Kerry's efforts to solve the syrian crisis through diplomacy, rather than just shooting Russian planes out of the sky?
Of the two candidates, who, with the cameras on them, threatened the nuclear obliteration of iran?
You think Bernie's too grumpy. I think Clinton's actual foreign policy record is too littered with death, carnage, destruction, and setbacks for the nation she wants to be in charge of.
I guess we're at an impasse.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)We do see it differently though. I do not respect your way of seeing it either, all that much.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)In all his history in congress.
I think not.
We are creating this huge dark shadow when it isnt.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)so huge that would get my vote. We do not need volatile or incompetent.
peace13
(11,076 posts)And that is pretty important to a President.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)haughty "her highness" is?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)I'll wait for the unedited video.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This tent city thing is being WAY overblown on here.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Fuck anyone who wants to distract from the shitty thing that is Tent City. It's the same people who want to claim Ron Reagan was an AIDS hero, a dishonest and twisted lot of people.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sincerely.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)issues?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)He is special. He can lie cheat and steal, and still be a man of integrity. He can use a party, their resources and influence, and not be beholden, or appreciative or even say thank you.
Sanders is special, in so many ways. I can keep going on.
Well, it is not gonna cut it in the real world.
Just like he doesn't get to slam the Dems, women, blacks, Latinos, and demand we vote for him. He really is not that special.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I think it absolutely spoke to what so many have been talking about for the last 8 months. I think it is absolutely about the blacks not voting for Sanders. Or the olderish women, or the Latinos, or gays.
I think as a white man, and having the issues he has had, hearing things he has said, and then this? Absolutely reinforces what we have been saying, and people tell us we are picking on Sanders. When this stuff is so close to the heart, we are not going ot sit quietly. They came right back with being past the confederate states. I could not disagree with you more.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Clintons strained relationship with the press this election cycle hasnt quite reached the toxic levels of the 2008 race, when not only were reporters given little access to the candidate, they also had to deal with campaign aides yelling at them.
No one expected Clinton, who is said to dislike the media, to become especially chummy with reporters this time around. But during the lead-up to her presidential announcement, insiders had suggested that the 2016 campaign would try to avoid the mistakes of the 2008 team in terms of handling the press.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/06/hillary-clinton-interviews_n_7734372.html
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Trump is actually having his staff assault reporters so she should be seen more favorably.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and keep in mind that she ropes journalists in who cover her.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Queen Bee's do a lot more than she.
Logical
(22,457 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Her campaign would be over in five minutes.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)The Queen has decided we don't need to see them. Hopefully the FBI will solve this ASAP! And then we won't care what her transcripts say.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)She's asking for my vote for president. I need to know what she promised her Wall Street bosses. Unlike some people, I don't want to vote blind.
Bullying? What a ridiculous comment, but typical.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)It's bullying to criticize Clinton for not releasing transcripts, but it's perfectly OK to criticize Sanders for not continuing an interview that had already run overtime when he had a rally to get to.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)have an argument.
I am not making that demand.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)That works
Tinkling of the chimes that tickle within.... brightness of sun shining down providing warmth.
I hear ya dude.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I needed a laugh to start my weekend....
Enjoy yours. Tough week.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Y'almost got me going over in that other thread, but man, like I said in that Op I just wrote... I'm tired. I'mma push for my candidate, hit the caucus on the 26th, and then sleep until June 8th.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That would have been smart of her, to just walk the fuck away from the product and stop saying false, hurtful, and ignorant things which alienated and hurt so many.
Not that her supporters give a shit.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Autumn
(44,980 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)He felt the reporter was trying to allude that his wife went to tent city to meet with Joe the Sheriff, and he was insulted. He came to talk about real issues, not to have his wife attacked.
I find it amazing that Hillary supporters actually seem to be celebrating this in some bizarre way.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Every reporter in the world wants to do an interview. There is only so much time. The reporter was only suppose to take 4 minutes. If every interview runs long with the candidate, there won't be time to get anything else done in the day.
Every campaign (if done correctly) has a press person or "information officer" who handles such detail. Often times their job is to be the "bad guy" and end interview sessions when they go over their allowed time, breach subjects they agreed not to bring up, etc. etc.
The reporter was wrong. He was taking more time than what he had agreed to. The Sanders campaign is terribly run, because the candidate should never have to end an interview like that. There should be someone there to do that for him.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)time to actually talk and listen. I think it would have been interesting.
Thanks for your thoughts.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Wish I'd read your post before writing mine.
Sid
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)She just denies us the right to see how she talks behind our backs. You guys may not care but the rest of us do. Of course those who want to see the transcripts are told they are using GOP talking points. There's more dirt coming for the Queen, hopefully she'll be buried by May.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)take shit from some gotcha yahoo reporter either. Lame attempt seabeyond.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... She would be the devil incarnate. Of course Bernie supporters would clutch their chest and say they would never say a thing like that, but we all know that's only because it hasn't happened yet.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)That was odd. Not very presidential. He should try to smile more
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)LexVegas
(6,030 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)would be that the interviewer/newsreader was being a total douchebag.
I was thrilled when Jon Stewart called that CNN guy out also.
The fucking media is rw so if you don't get that... U just don't.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)This is the Bernie Sanders version of "Going Trump." Tomorrow, he will noticeably leave a small tip at a restaurant where reporters are eating.
Mary Mac
(323 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)When the candidate does it, it looks like he's avoiding something.
I really think that Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver have, through total incompetence, handcuffed Bernie's campaign.
That said:
Sid
frazzled
(18,402 posts)says "Thank you, Senator Sanders," and the camera cuts away or is stopped. Not when your staff member tells you to get up and leave.
Admit it: this was very bad form.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I'm just mostly laying the fault at the feet of the Sanders campaign staff, rather than Sanders himself.
They put their candidate in a position where his actions made him look bad. Campaign staff should be doing everything to prevent that.
Sid
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Yeah, they're douches, but Bernie is his own person. If he can't make simple decisions, such as when it is appropriate to end, or not, an interview, he's not ready for prime time.