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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
2. It is easy to forget the problems we still have when faced
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

with the prospect of someone as ugly as Trump, Kasich or Cruz as president.

Remember, all 3 are extreme rightwing assholes.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
3. The issue I have is Bernie lying about the cost of single payer
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:56 PM
Mar 2016

That's a big damn issue to me. And make no mistake, he is lying about it.

He states that it will cost $1.38 trillion a year. However, Medicare and Medicaid alone in 2014 were nearly $1 trillion and total healthcare expenditures were $3 Trillion. He is completely and totally FOS on this.

And the ONLY reason it has not been talked about more is because its a moot point. He isn't going to be nominated and even if he were he couldn't even get Dems to vote for his pie in the sky single payer plan.

I don't enjoy being snowed by a politician. I know some folks don't mind, or have a tendency to believe ridiculous things. But most of us live in reality and will not support a politician who blows that much smoke up our butts.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
5. So what?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

We have the money and resources to provide healthcare to everyone, why should corporations, contractors and the elite deny the right of living because they will lose a portion of the money -- most of which was subsidized by the government.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
8. He isn't lying.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

You see, the number you are stating includes the costs of administering for profit medicine combined with the limitations given to Medicare to negotiate drug prices. If you subtract the costs associated with the current for-profit insurance medical system, you will see that Sanders numbers work.

Honestly, this shouldn't even be something that we should have to debate. Ensuring that human beings -- your family members and friends -- do not and should not suffer and die should be the first thing a government does for its people. Before we allow lobbyists to create million dollar tax loop holes, before we fund an unnecessary war machine, we should make sure no one dies from a treatable illness because that person was not able to pay money to a for profit corporation.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
4. Bull shit.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:59 PM
Mar 2016

Healthcare should not be an issue up to debate. Think of it this way: which is a bigger concern: parents that have to choose between eating or being able to afford their child's cancer treatment or whether we should lower tax rates so American corporations can use tax loopholes to increase profits so their CEO can make 4000 x the amount of money the corporation's lowest wage earner makes?!?!

We have progressed so far in medicine, yet we let people die because poor children with cancer contribute less money to campaigns than insurance companies?!

The current system is just not right.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
6. we already solved it doncha know....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

All that was required was to funnel taxpayer dollars to private insurance companies with no cost controls or cost transparencies...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. and now insurance corps want more federal funds to treat the 30 pill a day codine addicts & money fo
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

and more money for 'pain clinics' and more pain specialists Doctors to write the scripts for those who aren't drug abusers and suffer with real chronic pain.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. Meanwhile campaign PACs spent $87-Million on campaign TV ads anti-Trump. most RW, 2 mil for Clinton
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

That 87 million would have funded some nice free clinics.

I predict the campaigns when its all done will spend multi-billion dollars this election cycle.

That 87 million spent- just on current anti-Trump TV ads- is about the same amount Mittens spent on his entire loser campaign.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
12. While this issue is very important, I think
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

that the scrapping of the TPP is even more so, and
it is involved with the healthcare issue as well as
many others.

Don't think that the insurances as well as big
Pharma have not been involved in the writing
of that disastrous agreement.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. Some people like those making over $250,000 can afford to pay $5000 a year in
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

premiums, deductibles, copays, and prescription. They got theirs.

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