2016 Postmortem
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(30,481 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)with the prospect of someone as ugly as Trump, Kasich or Cruz as president.
Remember, all 3 are extreme rightwing assholes.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That's a big damn issue to me. And make no mistake, he is lying about it.
He states that it will cost $1.38 trillion a year. However, Medicare and Medicaid alone in 2014 were nearly $1 trillion and total healthcare expenditures were $3 Trillion. He is completely and totally FOS on this.
And the ONLY reason it has not been talked about more is because its a moot point. He isn't going to be nominated and even if he were he couldn't even get Dems to vote for his pie in the sky single payer plan.
I don't enjoy being snowed by a politician. I know some folks don't mind, or have a tendency to believe ridiculous things. But most of us live in reality and will not support a politician who blows that much smoke up our butts.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)We have the money and resources to provide healthcare to everyone, why should corporations, contractors and the elite deny the right of living because they will lose a portion of the money -- most of which was subsidized by the government.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He's lying for a reason.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)You see, the number you are stating includes the costs of administering for profit medicine combined with the limitations given to Medicare to negotiate drug prices. If you subtract the costs associated with the current for-profit insurance medical system, you will see that Sanders numbers work.
Honestly, this shouldn't even be something that we should have to debate. Ensuring that human beings -- your family members and friends -- do not and should not suffer and die should be the first thing a government does for its people. Before we allow lobbyists to create million dollar tax loop holes, before we fund an unnecessary war machine, we should make sure no one dies from a treatable illness because that person was not able to pay money to a for profit corporation.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Healthcare should not be an issue up to debate. Think of it this way: which is a bigger concern: parents that have to choose between eating or being able to afford their child's cancer treatment or whether we should lower tax rates so American corporations can use tax loopholes to increase profits so their CEO can make 4000 x the amount of money the corporation's lowest wage earner makes?!?!
We have progressed so far in medicine, yet we let people die because poor children with cancer contribute less money to campaigns than insurance companies?!
The current system is just not right.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)All that was required was to funnel taxpayer dollars to private insurance companies with no cost controls or cost transparencies...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)and more money for 'pain clinics' and more pain specialists Doctors to write the scripts for those who aren't drug abusers and suffer with real chronic pain.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)That 87 million would have funded some nice free clinics.
I predict the campaigns when its all done will spend multi-billion dollars this election cycle.
That 87 million spent- just on current anti-Trump TV ads- is about the same amount Mittens spent on his entire loser campaign.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Go figure.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)that the scrapping of the TPP is even more so, and
it is involved with the healthcare issue as well as
many others.
Don't think that the insurances as well as big
Pharma have not been involved in the writing
of that disastrous agreement.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)premiums, deductibles, copays, and prescription. They got theirs.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Were that way.....