Unity is not a list of demands.

[Chichiri]

Unity is a recognition of a common goal.

[Haveadream]

1. Thank you

for being a voice of reason!

[PowerToThePeople]

2. And what common goal do you speak of?

Because the goals of the Clinton's fail to intersect my goals for this nation.

[Chichiri]

3. I'm not talking about you and Hillary.

I'm talking about you and me.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Ok. So what common goal

should we be working for, in your view?

[sibelian]

13. Whatever common goal you are told is necessary for UNITY, PowerToThePeople

Unity comes from sharing a common goal and the common goal is to have Unity. Do you see? That's all you have to worry about.

[PowerToThePeople]

17. I see.

Two plus two is five.

[sibelian]

26. Let's hope that the New Herd doesn't break out into a bovine step aerobics class....

[potone]

30. Hilarious!

I hope this won't be where we end up at the end of the primaries, but I fear that it will be.

[sibelian]

51. .... complete with the whole "Yeah?.... WHAT?" look at the end of the process.

chewing the cud... nothing to see, move along...

pffff

I will NOT be participating.

[Avalux]

28. Whatever we're TOLD? Sorry, I make up my own mind.

You can't even describe that common goal, but yet you're demanding it from us.

[sibelian]

37. ...

Well, actually, I suppose there might be SOME people here who really would say what I said in seriousness...


My sincere apologies, Avalux...


The missing emoticon is this -

[Avalux]

66. I'm the one who needs to apologize.

I feel kind of silly right now, sorry about that.

[JaneyVee]

15. Stopping the Republican party, for starters.

[PowerToThePeople]

25. I cast a vote for a candidate.

Not against another.

If there was a yes/no option for candidates, I would check no for every Republican.

[JaneyVee]

49. Thats what voting is: you cast a vote for AND against.

[PowerToThePeople]

54. You are only half correct

There is no negative vote.

[sibelian]

8. I don't there IS any "you and me" anymore, Chichiri.

I think there is no more "us".

I think it's gone.

[Chichiri]

14. I'm sorry to hear that.

But when the nomination is clinched, I won't be the one to have to leave.

[sibelian]

18. Well there's your rubbish UNITY right there, then, isn't it?

[Chichiri]

20. I'm sorry, are you saying unity is possible now? nt

[sibelian]

29. Why are you asking ME?

You think I should leave! lol

[timmymoff]

31. We don't want to inconvenience you with leaving

We would rather you stay. Your acceptance of the way things are is not what we need as we advance our nation. Hillary supporters or corporate dems are not who we seek to advance. Your ways are old hat and I personally am not into the weathervane democrats we currently have. Yes it's you, not me!

[840high]

56. What a uniting statement.

[ibegurpard]

4. thank you!o

Opposition to single-payer healthcare? Thank you but no.

[JaneyVee]

22. By that logic:

Should people demand Bernie drop single payer in order for others to support him?

Or should those who dont agree with him on it just stay home and not vote?

[Shandris]

6. Well said!

I do trust our common goal is the furtherance of liberal policies. Unity to the max!

If that isn't our goal, then we HAVE no common goal. I consider the liberal policies to include, among many other things, a complete and systematic dismantling of the entire organizational structure of the Establishment, as they have not furthered liberal policies since the 80s (at the very least). If you are unfamiliar with the meaning of the phrase, 'the Establishment', then we do not share a common goal. We may share a common opposition - Republicans - but in no way does that share a common goal.

I also consider the rejection of conservative policies to be liberal (although, as with any topic, there are varying degrees of inspection each position should endure for consistency's sake). I consider any policy that furthers the aims of the Establishment to be conservative by definition.

So. Who's up for some unity?

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Whats the common goal? To vote for moderate republicans? nt

[Chichiri]

11. To keep the White House in Democratic hands. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

38. It would be nice if we ran a Democrat then.

[HooptieWagon]

9. If my goals were more war, less regulation of Wall St,...

...more job-killing 'free trade' deals, more privitization, more domestic spying, and putting SS on the negotiating table, then I'd consider voting for Hillary.

[NuclearDem]

10. I don't like demands anymore than the next person

but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for some assurances. If we have a chance to make a transition from the primary to the general any easier, I think it's worth seriously taking a look at.

[Chichiri]

12. Asking is fine. Demanding is selfish. nt

[NuclearDem]

23. I know which thread we're talking about, and yeah, I get it about the word "demand"

but I don't think it's a particularly good idea to reject it out of hand simply because of that. That platform the other poster put together I believe is a completely reasonable set of goals and objectives. Whether we're ultimately successful the next eight years or not isn't the issue, it's whether we can show we have an earnest commitment to pushing for them.

This really is a genuine olive branch being extended between the two camps. It would be reckless to not at least take it seriously.

[JonLeibowitz]

34. +1. I would sign up for that ticket or even the right parts of it, and proudly.

I'm not joking.

[sibelian]

40. So the next step is to label those aspects of the platform unpalatable to certain interests

as "demands" and anything left over as things being "asked for".

Not complicated, is it?

[Broward]

16. What's the common goal? To back deceitful corporatists?

[hack89]

19. To keep Trump out of the White House? Seem like a reasonable thing to do? nt

[Broward]

27. And also back a war mongerer? Is that the common goal too?

[hack89]

59. There will only be two choices

If Trump is best for you then go ahead and lend him a hand.

[Broward]

68. Your first choice is a conservative, strange.

[hack89]

70. Time to face reality

Bernie will not be on the ballot. Looks like you have some soul searching ahead of you.

[Broward]

73. You're gung ho for a politician to the right of Nixon, bizarre.

[hack89]

74. That doesn't make your choice any easier, does it? Nt

[Broward]

75. Go Blue team. Corporatism and war, fuck yeah.

[hack89]

76. Yet we may end up voting for the same person

can't imagine you voting for Trump. But perhaps I have misjudged you.

[Broward]

79. Just to set the record straight. I won't vote for a right-winger.

[hack89]

80. So that leaves Hillary. Good. Nt

[HassleCat]

21. I guess so.

If the common goal is to elect Hillary Clinton as president, then yes, we might all recognize that goal and work toward it. If the common goal is to elect Hillary Clinton and move our party away from the losing strategy of the past 30 years, then it's a little more complicated. Electing Clinton will not solve all our problems. In fact, we're just kicking the can down the road four years.

[ismnotwasm]

24. Yep

Still just shaking my head..

[Trust Buster]

32. There will be Unity with the majority of Sanders' supporters.

The extreme element ? Probably not but that's true for every nominee in American history. No big deal there.

[timmymoff]

50. Unity?

No it won't be unity. It will be swallowing another pill of deceit because our brand of deceit is a bit more palatable than the other brand. I wouldn't call it unity at all even if we vote for Hillary, which most will if she is the nominee. I doubt any Sander's supporters wants to unite with the half measures Hillary stands for. Hell she gave up 3 dollars an hour on minimum wage before the fight even happened, but she is for us. She gave up on healthcare before another fight happened, a fight we have been having for decades, she gave up because she is tired of fighting. She gets things done with her ability to sell us workers short. So when you call for unity, don't kid yourselves. Getting a vote does not unity make, just as not fighting in a war doesn't mean there is peace. That's how it is, it wouldn't be so bad if you would help us hold her feet to the fire if she is the nominee. But you won't, you will make excuses. you will support the sell out as pragmatic. All these pragmatic gains have sure damaged the country. I would be thankful for a vote, instead of begging for unity. It is begging, so you understand.

[Trust Buster]

53. She understands the numbers in Congress. Sanders does too but he acts like he doesn't.

[timmymoff]

55. she will destroy our potential for numbers

[Trust Buster]

57. Due to Republican gerrymandering after the 2010 census, the Republicans have a lock on the House.

Sanders, himself, can no more affect those numbers than Hillary.

[timmymoff]

60. I believe with sanders we would make larger gains in the house.

Clinton brings them out in droves. Them being republicans. This is kind of the attitude Sanders supporters dislike. You don't want to fight, you just want to accept what is easy. That's why we say the democratic party left us. No fight, just the easiest of fruit and nothing more.

[Trust Buster]

61. Gerrymandering has created a majority of House seats being "safe seats".

I don't think you understand the redistricting that happened after the 2010 census. You should google the subject.

[timmymoff]

62. Please refrain from talking down to me.

I'm quite aware of gerrymandering. I am also quite aware of you doing exactly the same thing as her, quit before the fight. That is the problem. The problem is when she shifts back to the center as she will, she can count on losing support each time, this election cycle especially. The gop are going to vote. Given the choice to vote for a republican or a dem wanting to act like a republican they will take the republican. That is the problem with her.

[Trust Buster]

69. It was not my intent to talk down to you.

We were talking about control of the House. My state of Ohio has been gerrymandered in the following way. The large cities are huge districts with long tentacles because that's where the minority Democratic vote can be found. Then the Republicans surrounded the large districts by numerous small rural districts where the Republican vote can be found. In 2012 and 2014, more votes were cast for Democratic House candidates than were cast for Republicans. Yet, Republicans dominate Ohio's House delegation because the Democratic vote in and around large Ohio cities were quaranteened into a few large districts. This happened in 37 state legislatures that were Republican-controlled after the 2010 census. When I say that the Republicans have a lock on the House during the next presidency, that's not just my opinion, that's a mathematical fact.

[timmymoff]

72. let's roll over and die

and do so by supporting the more conservative agenda.. Hillary's. This is why you won't have unity, Hillary supporters are sell outs and easy way democrats. I won't respond anymore, tired of weaksauce from the Hillary/gop easy wayers

[Trust Buster]

77. No, let's first make sure that the Supreme Court leans Left for a generation.

Then, I'll cheer on your leaning forward position. Let us not put the cart in front of the horse.

[timmymoff]

81. great

a corporate conservative like Hillary picking one. May as well have blankfein pick one.

[Maedhros]

33. Clinton and I do not share common goals.[n/t]

[Broward]

35. Wait, you mean you're for not fucking over the little guy?

I guess you're not a Democrat because that's apparently what the Party now stands for.

[Maedhros]

39. I haven't been a Democrat since 2009 or so.[n/t]

[Chichiri]

42. So you're basically hijacking us. nt

[Broward]

43. The Third Wayers hijacked the Party.

Some of us are trying to take it back.

[Chichiri]

44. I'm talking about DU, not the Party. nt

[sibelian]

47. I don't think there are very many Bernie supporters left who care that much about DU.

One or two, perhaps.

[sibelian]

45. Who is this "us"?

Is there one?

[Chichiri]

46. DU. nt

[sibelian]

48. I don't think the factions are reconcilable, as I indicated.

I think that they are coming at politics in general from completely different directions.

I don't think the rift will heal.

[Maedhros]

67. Hijacking you? Nah.

I figure there may yet be Democrats who have not drunk the Third Way koolaid. Those people are worth engaging with.

[840high]

58. I can't think of anything

that would unite me with Hillary.

[bravenak]

36. Perfectly stated

[Live and Learn]

41. I am pretty damn sure I don't share any common goals with many here. nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

52. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

baby steps

[Gothmog]

63. Making demands is not a good way to unify the party

[whatchamacallit]

64. Another Clinton presidency is not a goal I share

[whatchamacallit]

65. Wonder how many people here know what the Unity Engine is

Probably quite a few.

[hellofromreddit]

71. A list of demands is fine as a starting place

That's how negotiations always begin.

Well, unless you fumble horribly and give up half of your position before you even reach the negotiating table. Then I could see how some might see demands as hostile.

[99Forever]

78. Really?

So when will the 99%s "goals" become important enough to be seriously dealt with?

[Betty Karlson]

82. Start recognising then:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1526477