2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis is the simple truth, Americans once again are being held hostage between
the Democrats and the Republicans. This time you are being held hostage to a bigger degree! Trump against Mrs. Clinton, you all are being held hostage again. You have to vote for Mrs. Clinton, the supreme court is at stake plus with a Trump presidency, America will no longer get the respect of the world.
I have no idea why Mr. Sanders is not getting more support, he speaks to us, the working and middle class.
I am at a loss for words why Trump get more people to his rallies. It is only a small proportion of the US who are backing him, he does not have the backing of minorities. Is America so Evangelical that a person like Trump can win the GOP nomination?
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,580 posts)They see "their" America slipping away to minorities and such, and they are angry about it.
They are voting in numbers not seen before due to their anger.
I don't think the Evangelical vote matters much to Trump, but I could be wrong.
Now, I'm oversimplifying...
But that's basically what's going on.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I think your southern neighbors are making significant progress.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I so wanted Bernie to win. You have no idea!
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I know you're in Canada, BC - British Columbia.
I am saying he's come closer to winning than any candidate with his philosophy in many decades - it's progress!
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)His policies resonate so well with people in America who have been overlooked for decades. Somehow, I cannot understand why African Americans lean towards Hilary Clinton as opposed to Mr. Sanders. The Clinton era did not bode well for African Americans!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Serious answer but with an inside DU reference. My apologies to the OP. Yes, the two-party system is essentially a form of blackmail. Could be called worse.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Democrats and the Republicans, where is the third party in a country of over 400 million people. And you know what, why only Mrs. Clinton and Mr. O'Malley looking towards the presidency of the US. No other democrat felt it is their time to run. Frankly, am sick of the Clintons, they need to go away like a bad penny, but here she is feeling entitled to the Presidency. Pretty soon, President Obama will give her the nod.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)There's your answer. The details go back to limited franchise based in property ownership and a contract law view of governance. It's still pretty medieval.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Since most (all?) of our elections are first-past-the-post, 2 large parties is simply the most stable arrangement. When the Whigs disintegrated in the 1850s, most of its northern membership joined the new Republican party, while the southern ones eventually ended up in the Democratic party.
Whenever a third party reaches a certain amount of success, it tends to get absorbed into whichever party it is ideologically closest to, because the larger party wants to attract the smaller's voters, and the smaller party gets to be part of the decision making process instead of a mere protest vote.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)It's just kabuki theater.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)banned. think it is a badge of honor. I just read another who was banned and I am totally at a loss to understand why. I admire you Canadians.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The media has covered Trump by about 90% and Bernie 1%.
and the American people like mean. Trump is mean.
If Bernie was as well known as Hillary, there would be no contest.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)The media is responsible for Trump but if he runs against Mrs. Clinton, his ass is grass!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)They do seem a bit surprised by how mean Trump can be, but they love him. They have had to pull back and claim innocence because their bosses got some heat. But they will work hard for Trump in the GE.
"Tell you about the plain crash with a gleam in their eye"
"They love dirty laundry"
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)turn ugly, they lie to suit their purpose. For instance, Mrs. Clinton arrived in Bosnia under fire, turns out it is a lie. When you cannot trust the person you want to vote for, you do not vote!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)On the street politics is a blood sport. But since it is mostly face-to-face, it is done with due respect and gentility except for the few times it's not.
On the internet there is no face-to-face so the dark stuff easily flows. I think it as a mere oddity and just laugh it off, and keep my eye on the ends.
The Clintons have perfected the blood sport end of it but I'll bet they are quite surprised at how much we know about them. Problem is, as we've seen on DU, many just ignore the facts. And that kinda does piss off a lot of us - the ignoring.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)when he went on Arneshio hall show. Clinton. Fucker instituted three thrikes you are out and jailed a lot of black men for minor infractions. Bill Clinton is not for black people nor his wife, do not vote for her!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Get them to vote for you then knife them. That's what the Clintons have done to blacks and poor people. They dare not draw much blood from the rich, because that's their base these days. Oh, they may prick them but only when it can be triangulated to their ultimate goal of filling their pockets.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Not sure about msnbc since they are still in third place and they deserve to be
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)People are attracted to Trump -good and bad, and the media does not like democrats and Bernie scares them silly. Only since they decided Bernie has been beat have they started really covering Bernie. It may come back to bite them, we can hope.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Not everyone is impressed with The Donald.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I am so hoping that Mr. Sanders get the nomination but you and I know that Mrs. Clinton will get it. And if she is going against Trump, she will win. She will not progress Obama's legacies, she is a gold water girl, same shit all over again!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)They have always voted with the candidate who has the most pledged delegates from the primaries.
I don't think it will be Hillary vs Trump in the fall.
I think it will be Bernie against Cruz.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)they should ask president Kerry his opinion.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)The media is responsible for Trump being in the limelight, that idiot needs to go away like a bad penny! God help America if that sucker gets to be the President. I will take Mrs. Clinton in a heartbeat. I am very positive that President Obama will smirk if that idiot Trump won the election. By the way, I love President Obama.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)Trump running for president is a scandal.
Clinton has several scandals surrounding her. Some resolved, some not.
Bernie: Scandal free. Ergo, minimal news coverage.
elleng
(130,861 posts)have been for a long time, and candidates on both sides who express this, and seem to offer hope, appeal to them.
The 'center' candidate (who many don't trust,) likely won't win (without subterfuge.) IMO.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)He talked to Bill Clinton two weeks before running. Coincidence? Not with the Clintons.
elleng
(130,861 posts)but what do I know? More like, voting 'issues' is what's on my mind.