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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:42 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

This is the simple truth, Americans once again are being held hostage between

the Democrats and the Republicans. This time you are being held hostage to a bigger degree! Trump against Mrs. Clinton, you all are being held hostage again. You have to vote for Mrs. Clinton, the supreme court is at stake plus with a Trump presidency, America will no longer get the respect of the world.

I have no idea why Mr. Sanders is not getting more support, he speaks to us, the working and middle class.

I am at a loss for words why Trump get more people to his rallies. It is only a small proportion of the US who are backing him, he does not have the backing of minorities. Is America so Evangelical that a person like Trump can win the GOP nomination?

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Reply This is the simple truth, Americans once again are being held hostage between (Original post)
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 OP
LineReply Trump speaks to the blue collar non-college educated folks...
 CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #1
LineLineReply Thanks Peggy! Still, you have you be so uninformed to vote for a racist!
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #4
LineReply When was the last time a candidate like Bernie got this much support?
 Dem2 Mar 2016 #2
LineLineReply You are confusing me with South, am in Canada. I only know left and right
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #6
LineLineLineReply Yes, we're your southern neighbors
 Dem2 Mar 2016 #7
LineLineLineLineReply I am so on your side. I want Bernie to win.
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #12
LineReply Stockholm Syndrome. Or is that going to get me banned, too?
 leveymg Mar 2016 #3
LineLineReply You know, I always wondered how a powerful country like the US has only two parties.
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #8
LineLineLineReply Two parties are easier to buy than four.
 leveymg Mar 2016 #10
LineLineLineLineReply I still do not understand. Where is the honesty when we elect people to represent us?
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #15
LineLineLineNew Reply It's mostly due to our voting structure
 cemaphonic Mar 2016 #28
LineLineLineNew Reply Two parties is the minimum number of parties to give the semblance of Democracy
 AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #30
LineLineReply Sorry you were ...
 snowy owl Mar 2016 #19
LineReply Hardly any have heard of Sanders
 RobertEarl Mar 2016 #5
LineLineReply That is the thing, the media is reaping what they sowed, giving that asshole prime time
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #9
LineLineLineReply media
 RobertEarl Mar 2016 #11
LineLineLineLineReply I have to ask myself, when did politics turn so ugly? It is this the people running for office who
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #13
LineLineLineLineLineReply Ugly Internet politics
 RobertEarl Mar 2016 #24
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I never liked the Clintons and never will. Thought he was an asshole
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply That's the blood sport
 RobertEarl Mar 2016 #27
LineLineLineLineReply they love profits and they are reaping them I guess
 snowy owl Mar 2016 #21
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Profits are #1
 RobertEarl Mar 2016 #26
LineReply Bernie drew more people to his rally than Trump did to his today in the same state.
 Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #14
LineLineReply I know, but it seems as though the super delegates determine who is the nominee!
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #16
LineLineLineReply Actually, they only confirm what the voters want.
 Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #22
LineReply If people really think that voting against a republican is a winning strategy--
 Loudestlib Mar 2016 #17
LineLineReply Sorry, Kerry was not a President!
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #20
LineReply Bernie has lots of support, they're just not showing it on tv nt
 Rebkeh Mar 2016 #18
LineLineReply That is the problem with the media, they effing promoting an asshole!
 akbacchus_BC Mar 2016 #23
LineLineLineNew Reply The media is out for ratings and scandals insure high ratings.
 Kablooie Mar 2016 #29
LineNew Reply Working people/the 99%, are being shafted,
 elleng Mar 2016 #31
LineLineNew Reply The subterfuge is already here. I find it unlikely that Trump is running on his own free will
 JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #32
LineLineLineNew Reply Not the kind of 'subterfuge' I was referring to,
 elleng Mar 2016 #33
LineLineLineNew Reply Here's some 'subterfuge' I just saw:
 elleng Mar 2016 #34

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:46 AM

Star Member CaliforniaPeggy (131,627 posts)

1. Trump speaks to the blue collar non-college educated folks...

They see "their" America slipping away to minorities and such, and they are angry about it.

They are voting in numbers not seen before due to their anger.

I don't think the Evangelical vote matters much to Trump, but I could be wrong.

Now, I'm oversimplifying...

But that's basically what's going on.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:48 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

4. Thanks Peggy! Still, you have you be so uninformed to vote for a racist!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:46 AM

Star Member Dem2 (6,625 posts)

2. When was the last time a candidate like Bernie got this much support?

I think your southern neighbors are making significant progress.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:50 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

6. You are confusing me with South, am in Canada. I only know left and right

I so wanted Bernie to win. You have no idea!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:53 AM

Star Member Dem2 (6,625 posts)

7. Yes, we're your southern neighbors

I know you're in Canada, BC - British Columbia.

I am saying he's come closer to winning than any candidate with his philosophy in many decades - it's progress!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:06 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

12. I am so on your side. I want Bernie to win.

His policies resonate so well with people in America who have been overlooked for decades. Somehow, I cannot understand why African Americans lean towards Hilary Clinton as opposed to Mr. Sanders. The Clinton era did not bode well for African Americans!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:46 AM

leveymg (36,418 posts)

3. Stockholm Syndrome. Or is that going to get me banned, too?

Serious answer but with an inside DU reference. My apologies to the OP. Yes, the two-party system is essentially a form of blackmail. Could be called worse.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:56 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

8. You know, I always wondered how a powerful country like the US has only two parties.

Democrats and the Republicans, where is the third party in a country of over 400 million people. And you know what, why only Mrs. Clinton and Mr. O'Malley looking towards the presidency of the US. No other democrat felt it is their time to run. Frankly, am sick of the Clintons, they need to go away like a bad penny, but here she is feeling entitled to the Presidency. Pretty soon, President Obama will give her the nod.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:02 AM

leveymg (36,418 posts)

10. Two parties are easier to buy than four.

There's your answer. The details go back to limited franchise based in property ownership and a contract law view of governance. It's still pretty medieval.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:13 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

15. I still do not understand. Where is the honesty when we elect people to represent us?

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:46 AM

cemaphonic (3,927 posts)

28. It's mostly due to our voting structure

Since most (all?) of our elections are first-past-the-post, 2 large parties is simply the most stable arrangement. When the Whigs disintegrated in the 1850s, most of its northern membership joined the new Republican party, while the southern ones eventually ended up in the Democratic party.

Whenever a third party reaches a certain amount of success, it tends to get absorbed into whichever party it is ideologically closest to, because the larger party wants to attract the smaller's voters, and the smaller party gets to be part of the decision making process instead of a mere protest vote.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:56 AM

AZ Progressive (3,411 posts)

30. Two parties is the minimum number of parties to give the semblance of Democracy

It's just kabuki theater.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:20 AM

snowy owl (2,145 posts)

19. Sorry you were ...

banned. think it is a badge of honor. I just read another who was banned and I am totally at a loss to understand why. I admire you Canadians.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:50 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

5. Hardly any have heard of Sanders

 

The media has covered Trump by about 90% and Bernie 1%.

and the American people like mean. Trump is mean.

If Bernie was as well known as Hillary, there would be no contest.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:58 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

9. That is the thing, the media is reaping what they sowed, giving that asshole prime time

The media is responsible for Trump but if he runs against Mrs. Clinton, his ass is grass!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:04 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

11. media

 

They do seem a bit surprised by how mean Trump can be, but they love him. They have had to pull back and claim innocence because their bosses got some heat. But they will work hard for Trump in the GE.

"Tell you about the plain crash with a gleam in their eye"

"They love dirty laundry"

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:11 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

13. I have to ask myself, when did politics turn so ugly? It is this the people running for office who

turn ugly, they lie to suit their purpose. For instance, Mrs. Clinton arrived in Bosnia under fire, turns out it is a lie. When you cannot trust the person you want to vote for, you do not vote!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:27 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

24. Ugly Internet politics

 

On the street politics is a blood sport. But since it is mostly face-to-face, it is done with due respect and gentility except for the few times it's not.

On the internet there is no face-to-face so the dark stuff easily flows. I think it as a mere oddity and just laugh it off, and keep my eye on the ends.

The Clintons have perfected the blood sport end of it but I'll bet they are quite surprised at how much we know about them. Problem is, as we've seen on DU, many just ignore the facts. And that kinda does piss off a lot of us - the ignoring.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:35 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

25. I never liked the Clintons and never will. Thought he was an asshole

when he went on Arneshio hall show. Clinton. Fucker instituted three thrikes you are out and jailed a lot of black men for minor infractions. Bill Clinton is not for black people nor his wife, do not vote for her!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:43 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

27. That's the blood sport

 

Get them to vote for you then knife them. That's what the Clintons have done to blacks and poor people. They dare not draw much blood from the rich, because that's their base these days. Oh, they may prick them but only when it can be triangulated to their ultimate goal of filling their pockets.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:22 AM

snowy owl (2,145 posts)

21. they love profits and they are reaping them I guess

Not sure about msnbc since they are still in third place and they deserve to be

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:39 AM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

26. Profits are #1

 

People are attracted to Trump -good and bad, and the media does not like democrats and Bernie scares them silly. Only since they decided Bernie has been beat have they started really covering Bernie. It may come back to bite them, we can hope.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:12 AM

Major Hogwash (17,656 posts)

14. Bernie drew more people to his rally than Trump did to his today in the same state.

Not everyone is impressed with The Donald.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:18 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

16. I know, but it seems as though the super delegates determine who is the nominee!

I am so hoping that Mr. Sanders get the nomination but you and I know that Mrs. Clinton will get it. And if she is going against Trump, she will win. She will not progress Obama's legacies, she is a gold water girl, same shit all over again!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:23 AM

Major Hogwash (17,656 posts)

22. Actually, they only confirm what the voters want.

They have always voted with the candidate who has the most pledged delegates from the primaries.
I don't think it will be Hillary vs Trump in the fall.

I think it will be Bernie against Cruz.





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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:19 AM

Loudestlib (980 posts)

17. If people really think that voting against a republican is a winning strategy--

they should ask president Kerry his opinion.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:21 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

20. Sorry, Kerry was not a President!

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:19 AM

Rebkeh (2,450 posts)

18. Bernie has lots of support, they're just not showing it on tv nt

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:25 AM

Star Member akbacchus_BC (5,437 posts)

23. That is the problem with the media, they effing promoting an asshole!

The media is responsible for Trump being in the limelight, that idiot needs to go away like a bad penny! God help America if that sucker gets to be the President. I will take Mrs. Clinton in a heartbeat. I am very positive that President Obama will smirk if that idiot Trump won the election. By the way, I love President Obama.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:47 AM

Star Member Kablooie (15,950 posts)

29. The media is out for ratings and scandals insure high ratings.

Trump running for president is a scandal.

Clinton has several scandals surrounding her. Some resolved, some not.

Bernie: Scandal free. Ergo, minimal news coverage.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:58 AM

Star Member elleng (96,257 posts)

31. Working people/the 99%, are being shafted,

have been for a long time, and candidates on both sides who express this, and seem to offer hope, appeal to them.

The 'center' candidate (who many don't trust,) likely won't win (without subterfuge.) IMO.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:03 AM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

32. The subterfuge is already here. I find it unlikely that Trump is running on his own free will

He talked to Bill Clinton two weeks before running. Coincidence? Not with the Clintons.

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:22 AM

Star Member elleng (96,257 posts)

33. Not the kind of 'subterfuge' I was referring to,

but what do I know? More like, voting 'issues' is what's on my mind.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:50 PM

Star Member elleng (96,257 posts)

34. Here's some 'subterfuge' I just saw:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017340584

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