What do you think you'll be getting in return when you vote for either Sanders or Clinton?

[Cal33]

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My understanding is that Sanders will be trying to live up to the promises he
is making now during his presidential campaign, but these will be just the first
step only. We all know the tremendous difficulty of fighting the Corporate Power
people and their followers.

I personally think that not much can get done by ANY PRESIDENT during his/her
first term. If Sanders wins, he and Elizabeth Warren will be spending much of their
time getting more Progressives into the Senate and House. They'll need a large
majority in Congress to get those necessary bills passed. Right now, the GOP has
both of these Houses. Sanders would be able to get the more minor issues
accomplished, not the major ones.

If Sanders and Warren succeed in getting a large enough majority after his first term,
then things will start popping in his second. At least they will try. Bringing down the
crooked big bankers, pharmaceutical and insurance companies is one of their goals.
It will take time. Meanwhile these business corporations will continue to rob the
American people blind. But Sanders and Warren will, at least, be trying to bring
them down. Clinton won't. She is profiting along with them. And our nation will
continue to decay. This is continuing the present "status quo."

Nothing comes easy. But, at least, try to make the right choice when you vote, and
try to understand what it is you are voting for.

[orpupilofnature57]

1. A new way, not a Third or Bush-lite or I know just trust me Way.

[UglyGreed]

4. [phone]

[Cal33]

19. Yes, a new way to the present generation, but it's very similar to the one that is

familiar to the older FDR's New Deal generation. History repeats itself. I do hope
Sanders will be successful in bringing about the good old days of FDR's New Deal
Era, adapted to the prevailing conditions of the present times.

[Ferd Berfel]

2. I think supporting Bernie

is like supporting the founding Fathers. I think supporting Hillary is like supporting the Torrie's

The Founders where, in part, fighting the largest trans-national corporation of it's day - THe East India Company.

The Torrie's were supporting it.




Nothing is free
Revolutions cost, int pain and suffering.

[Cal33]

5. I agree. I think the Founding Fathers were the Liberals of that time, just as FDR was later, and

Sanders is now. Clinton and her supporters are light Conservatives. At least they are better
than the Corporatists, who are very much like the East India Trading Co. of yesteryear. They
were the ones who colonized India, brought opium forcibly into China, in fact colonized much of the
world --- and all for profit. Never mind how many people had to die in the process.

Money and power always came first in their minds. Human lives were nothing more than
disposable objects to them. These people have never changed. They have remained
stuck in their primitive ways, and cannot change.

[Ferd Berfel]

8. Not sure how 'lite' they are

They are to the right of republicans like Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt and more more current

[Ferd Berfel]

11. Dissagree, They ARE Corporatist

[Jenny_92808]

13. Thank you!

Wonderful post!

[Kip Humphrey]

3. Bernie's path - our path - is not an easy path; it is not a short path. It is a

carefully thought out path; it is a clear and reality-based path. Bernie's path REQUIRES our participation over the long haul. His is not a vote-and-forget campaign and that alone speaks to the viability, the power, and the inevitable success embedded within Bernie's path.

[Cal33]

14. I completely concur. Bernie's path is only the first step of the movement he (and Elizabeth Warren)

have started. It is my fervent hope that, after his two terms, others will continue to further broaden
this movement. After all, it is the way of humans being kind and thoughtful to one another. It is the
only civilized way to live.

"Every man for himself, and may the devil take the hindmost" is the way of those with underdeveloped
and primitive minds - minds that are not yet capable of much self-discipline and -control of the lower
human instincts.

[Kip Humphrey]

16. I share your vision & add, the revolution will not stop unless & until we stop.

[Cal33]

17. You are right. And since there will always be room for improvement, I hope we will never stop. :)

[Arugula Latte]

6. I'd be happy with just a change in conversation.

Stop the ever-rightward capitulation to corporations and Christian loons. Bernie would stand up and say: "You're full of shit if you think we should pass TPP/make more abortion restrictions/invade X, Y or Z country for profit..." or whatever the case may be.

Hillary will pander and appease. Hell, it's usually not even pandering and appeasement for her because she agrees with and pushes for much of the rightwing agenda.

[Armstead]

10. i agree

[Nay]

12. That's where I'm at. Let's change the conversation. There are

several ways to do that, but we should at least try to get his ideas out there in the same manner and with the same frequency as the RW has done with their crappy ideas for the last 30 years.

[Cal33]

18. The RW has been so successful in making half the nation believe in their propaganda and lies

because they own 90% of the news media. This gives them near-total control. How were they
able to control 90% of the news media? It took them a long long time. I sometimes wonder if
this hadn't been deliberately planned - yes - that long ago!!

More likely it was a coincidence, but they sure knew how to make use of that coincidence,
didn't they!!

Isn't it about time that Democrats thought of doing something about owning a higher percentage
of the news media than what they have now? We can see quite clearly what an advantage it is for
the Republicans to have it, and what a disadvantage it is for Democrats to be without it - especially
during election time - like right now. It would have made things so much less difficult for Sanders
to be ahead, instead of the other way around.

[ibegurpard]

7. Someone I trust

To fight as hard as they can for issues important to me versus someone who will put ANYTHING on the table.

[Armstead]

9. I largely agree -- I think Bernie would also at least also push for common-sense reforms that...

even some Republicans (at least a sane minority of them) could support

[Broward]

15. From Hillary? Unless you're part of the 1%, you'll be getting nothing but misery.