2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Looks like it's time to pack it in...
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)were just there to mingle......
Impedimentus
(898 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)for some proof.............
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)understand that HUGE crowd needed to walk in.........
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)don't know why, since Clinton is so much ahead. Why does Bernie's popularity bother you so much?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... Shit out of real progressives who are among a true mixed bag of folks.
choie
(4,111 posts)You and your DLC candidate.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... n-word-izzed stump for him in front of mostly white people.
Of course there's going to be a line two miles long in Utah...
IE
A red state that matters to Sanders supporters
choie
(4,111 posts)Your constant
allegation of racism thrown at Bernie supporters is contemptible.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... for Sanders.
And you can get sick of the race conversation all you want... as long as someone who calls themselves progressives does and says things that's are counter to that title them they should be called out...
Same for Clinton
choie
(4,111 posts)accountable for anything, let us know.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)..SP passed in his own state... Here going to face 10 times worse in Washington
choie
(4,111 posts)a track record of poor judgment and horrific votes
like the one for the Iraq War.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... Sanders can throw no stones
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Looks like a hell of a lot of people to me...........
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)shot got everyone.............
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)tell us more.....
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)SALT LAKE CITY, Utah, March 18, 2016 (Gephardt Daily) Chris and Viva Kite drove the 32 miles north from American Fork on Friday to see Sen. Bernie Sanders speak in Salt Lake City.
And they arrived to find themselves in good company.
Its a bigger turnout than I thought it would be, Chris Kite said. That line goes out for as far as the eye can see.
Chris was impressed!!!!!!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)internet poster decides from their location the line was not large nor long and disputes an eye witness............
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)proves it is false.......
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)It was wrapped, but so what...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The fact that her supporters didn't mind that reveals much about their lack of knowledge in areas they claim to have great interest and personal connection.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)to those who she offended. She knows she can't take back her mistake, but here's an apology anyway.
On the fight against HIV and AIDSand on the people who really started the conversation.
Yesterday, at Nancy Reagans funeral, I said something inaccurate when speaking about the Reagans record on HIV and AIDS. Since then, Ive heard from countless people who were devastated by the loss of friends and loved ones, and hurt and disappointed by what I said. As someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand why. I made a mistake, plain and simple.
I want to use this opportunity to talk not only about where weve come from, but where we must go in the fight against HIV and AIDS.
To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS. That distinction belongs to generations of brave lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, along with straight allies, who started not just a conversation but a movement that continues to this day.
The AIDS crisis in America began as a quiet, deadly epidemic. Because of discrimination and disregard, it remained that way for far too long. When many in positions of power turned a blind eye, it was groups like ACT UP, Gay Mens Health Crisis and others that came forward to shatter the silence because as they reminded us again and again, Silence = Death. They organized and marched, held die-ins on the steps of city halls and vigils in the streets. They fought alongside a few courageous voices in Washington, like U.S. Representative Henry Waxman, who spoke out from the floor of Congress.
Then there were all the people whose names we dont often hear today the unsung heroes who fought on the front lines of the crisis, from hospital wards and bedsides, some with their last breath. Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts.
If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo saved lives.
Weve come a long way. But we still have work to do to eradicate this disease for good and to erase the stigma that is an echo of a shameful and painful period in our countrys history.
This issue matters to me deeply. And Ive always tried to do my part in the fight against this disease, and the stigma and pain that accompanies it. At the 1992 Democratic National Convention, when my husband accepted the nomination for president, we marked a break with the past by having two HIV-positive speakers the first time that ever happened at a national convention. As First Lady, I brought together world leaders to strategize and coordinate efforts to take on HIV and AIDS around the world. In the Senate, I put forward legislation to expand global AIDS research and assistance and to increase prevention and education, and I proudly voted for the creation of PEPFAR and to defend and protect the Ryan White Act. And as secretary of state, I launched a campaign to usher in an AIDS-free generation through prevention and treatment, targeting the populations at greatest risk of contracting HIV.
The AIDS crisis looks very different today. There are more options for treatment and prevention than ever before. More people with HIV are leading full and happy lives. But HIV and AIDS are still with us. They continue to disproportionately impact communities of color, transgender people, young people and gay and bisexual men. There are still 1.2 million people living with HIV in the United States today, with about 50,000 people newly diagnosed each year. In Sub-Saharan Africa, almost 60 percent of people with HIV are women and girls. Even though the tools exist to end this epidemic once and for all, there are still far too many people dying today.
That is absolutely inexcusable.
I believe theres even more we can and must do together. For starters, lets continue to increase HIV and AIDS research and invest in the promising innovations that research is producing. Medications like PrEP are proving effective in preventing HIV infection; we should expand access to that drug for everyone, including at-risk populations. We should call on Republican governors to put peoples health and well-being ahead of politics and extend Medicaid, which would provide health care to those with HIV and AIDS.
We should call on states to reform outdated and stigmatizing HIV criminalization laws. We should increase global funding for HIV and AIDS prevention and treatment. And we should cap out-of-pocket expenses and drug costsand hold companies like Turing and Valeant accountable when they attempt to gouge patients by jacking up the price of lifesaving medications.
Were still surrounded by memories of loved ones lost and lives cut short. But were also surrounded by survivors who are fighting harder than ever. We owe it to them and to future generations to continue that fight together. For the first time, an AIDS-free generation is in sight. As president, I promise you that I will not let up until we reach that goal. We will not leave anyone behind.
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https://medium.com/@HillaryClinton/on-the-fight-against-hiv-and-aids-and-on-the-people-who-really-started-the-conversation-7b9fc00e6ed8#.aiss2jv52
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)For lying and failing. Stop covering and let that drop. It's deeply offensive.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I think, human error.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)You don't get to judge this. That's left to each of us who lost someone. Your not letting it go isn't helping.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I truly am sorry for your loss or losses. I mean that.
But that said, I still judge it to be human error and am entitled to my opinion as you are to your's. I'm not going to be bullied into silence and will express my beliefs if you want to continue talking about it with me. If you don't wish to keep talking about it with me that's fine, but, no one is making you.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That's pathological!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hillary's original comment was talking about a disease that had a stigma, you can tell just by the way she phrased what she said.
Clinton knew exactly what she was saying.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)and that was the goal. Allright then.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Anyone who is pissed off by that has no one else to vote for, what are they going to do, vote Trump?
On the other hand she appealed to the Reagan Democrats who revere Nancy and all things Gipper.
Remember that marriage was still "a sacred bond between a man and a woman" until 2013 in Hillaryland.
eilen
(4,950 posts)I've been giving to Nancy at her funeral in the fight against AIDS, oops, I did that".
Yes, even at Nancy Reagan's funeral, it is all about Hillary. Not that I care about Nancy Reagan, but shit, all I could think of was ... classy.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts).
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Is there an issue that needs addressing?
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)He never needs to stand in one.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Where they pull people in off the street.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That's the best.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Attendance is estimated at 14-15,000. So, about 2.5 feet per person in a single file (which is slightly tight for the way most people line up) would be 7 miles long.
Seems like a reasonable claim.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Brother_Love
(82 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We have just begun to fight and we won't stop until we drive the Big Money, that you revere so deeply, out of our party.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)has already been it's downfall. The big money comment- evidence of that.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It can take the form of blame shifting.
According to some research, the projection of one's negative qualities onto others is a common process in everyday life.[2]
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We've lost jobs, homes and retirements while the Wealthy have made hundreds of billions. We have the highest infant mortality rate of all modern nations and yet some still worship the wealthy. They send our families to war for their profits while we suffer the consequences. I know I am wasting my breath. To some Wealth is all.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I needed to see something more convincing about why he was the better person to get it done. Instead he just kept claiming she was in "wall-street's" pockets without anything solid. For me the lowest was the whole speaker's fees thing. That lost a lot of my respect.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)in other ways. Alot of them tried to claim moral superiority and purity over everyone and a lot of us treat them like they are unrealistic and silly. So, condescending tones have been coming out of both sides in different ways.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And we're not supposed to say anything.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)She's gonna lose. You know that, right?
No. You really don't.
Sigh.
AnotherVoter
(29 posts)Math is funny.
That's a difference score.
There is a hell of a lot of people who have voted for both candidates.
Clinton: 8,651,128 Sanders: 6,111,918
Of the total 14,763,046 (yes, 14 million!) people who have voted:
58.6% have voted for Clinton.
41.4% have voted for Sanders.
Let's make sure we put this all in context.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)So that gives Clinton the lead. They're terrified because the rest of the states favor Sanders, and those numbers are going to shift very quickly. And the closer Bernie gets, the less inevitable Hillary looks.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Where do folks get these crazy ideas from?
Most of the reddest states in the US have not yet voted (Romney won the likes of MT, UT, ID and WY by a greater margin than he won most of the states in the Deep South).
And you think Sanders is favored in AZ, NY, PA, MD, NJ and NM?
Peeps need to get a grip on reality.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)And wrong.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I'm wrong that Sanders is not favored in all of the remaining states? I'm wrong that some of the reddest states in the US have yet to vote?
Seriously, what exactly am I wrong about?
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)I dont't kniw where they get this from.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Response to grasswire (Reply #3)
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dchill
(38,472 posts)JK
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)except the ones Bernie does well in- Kinda like polls
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Were working to turn it blue. What are you doing?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)all you were working on was slandering Bernie Sanders supporters......
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I've also seen people saying that Clinton's red states, not to mention important swing states, don't matter. But Sander's red states matter... And the blue states that always go blue in the general matter most. It's an interesting double standard.
Anyway, Democratic party in all states should have say in who are candidate is, because they are representing all of us. So the whole thing is sort of, well, okay then...
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)forms or bad info going out................Maybe Bill could bring some more ballots next time he and Hillary decide to campaign at polling places????
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... Hillary in a primary benefits from low voter turnout, ballot shortages, or excessive ID hurdles.
One Percenters can easily furnish ID and can often wait around. Not so easy to do when you don't have a driver's license or you're punching a clock.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)more people struggle to survive less time they have to get involved and have a government which represent their need and values.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)I'm not a distrusting person. On the bright side, though, even a line of 1 mile would be quite something.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511532120
¡Sí, se puede!
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Sanders is favored in places like Utah, Montana, Idaho and Alaska. Clinton is favored in places like Arizona, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey and California.
Overall, Clinton has done better in 'blue' areas and Sanders has done better in 'red' areas. Such as St. Louis and Kansas City vs. rural Missouri.
Clinton does best in larger, more diverse states. Sanders does best in smaller, less diverse states. That's not a pattern that will suddenly get flipped upside down just because people want it to. I get why people don't like Clinton, believe me. But reality is reality.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Bernie will win this state handily. Voters out here are feelin the Bern big time, and people who haven't stated a party preference (24% of the total) are allowed to cast a Democratic ballot. That bodes very well for Bernie.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...I don't see Sanders winning it "handily." And if Clinton's delegate lead is ~400 (or even 300) heading into that primary, as expected, some won't see the point in bothering to vote.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)no matter what the delagate count is at the time of the primary -- if only to send the establishment the message that California Democrats (and many Independents) are progressives much more in line with Bernie's stand on the issues and who prefer that Bernie be the nominee.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)and homeland security to start a branch out there to keep an eye on those commies
Response to UglyGreed (Reply #44)
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)That's just unreal to me...
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)The Clinton (TM) brand is the Wal Mart of politics.
God help you if you try to compete.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, UglyGreed.
senz
(11,945 posts)Always sad to see the sour, resentful responses from his competitor's supporters.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)her supporters tend to be people like my 93-year-old mom who only watches corporate news and, therefore, thinks Hillary's the only Democrat running.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)If Clinton was crushing Sanders throughout the country with 90 percent of the vote, your arrogance might be understandable.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)those folks just can't seem to find the polls
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)some ballots with the bullhorn while campaigning in polling places in Utah.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Wow, great turnout! Where is that out of curiosity? Does anybody know? My guess is Utah.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Desperate to join the rest of the western world in providing a real social safety net, a real commitment to education, reform vs. just throwing people in prison (for profit).
We need step up the GOTV efforts.
Ino
(3,366 posts)they crowded those people into one corner of the state to make it look like a full house
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)of course, she'd have to agree to using an outdoor stadium for her trial for violations of 18 U.S. Code § 793 and the Federal Records Act, and all those who would show up would be right-wing nutjobs, but she COULD draw a crowd bigger than Bernie's if she did that.