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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:56 PM Mar 2016

Worst argument against Hillary: She doesn't win the states we need in November.

Oh? Like Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

I mean, I suppose I'll concede she hasn't done well in the critical swing states of.... um.... Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma? And I'll grant you she probably doesn't take Utah, Idaho, or Alaska, either. The horror.

This argument is profoundly stupid and we're all several IQ points stupider for having heard it.

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BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
2. If that WAS the argument, you'd have something. But it is a strawman created by you.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

Or else you are not able to understand the actual argument.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
5. Oh no. I've had to respond to that very argument many times. Bernie supporters keep
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

talking about how she wins unwinnable Deep South states. I think there's a far stronger argument that Bernie is unable to convince people in key swing areas to come out and vote for him.

To deny that Bernie people are trying to make this argument is nothing but a lie. You're in total denial if you don't think that this argument is being made. Do I need to pull up all of the posts?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. The argument is
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

That what has floated her balloon so high at this point is the 12 or so confederate states. Those states are republican controlled and will not help one fucking bit in the GE. It's true.

Her balloon has risen on the hot air from the deep south and it can't last thru the GE.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. Actually, it's an argument we hear every day.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

We constantly hear that she can't win outside of the Confederacy and/or that she only win states that won't go Democrat in November. (All irrelevant anyway, because the primaries and the general election are two entirely different settings).

Seriously, you have to be blind not to see how often that crap gets posted.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
3. Totally agree, there are so many other important and stronger reasons to argue against her
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:01 PM
Mar 2016

Like the FBI investigation, possible indictment

Her likeability and trust issues in all the polls she is down at the bottom while Bernie is at the top

Bernie has been winning in all the head-to-head polls against EVERY GOP candidate for months now. Hillary has been losing to all of them for a long time but is now winning against some of them lately but Bernie is winning by large margins and Hillary is squeaking by.

Then there is all that bankster/Wall Street money and lack of transparency especially that transcript.

And all those deaths of innocents she is responsible for around the world.

I'm tired of listing, but it goes on and on with important issues she has been on the wrong side of for decades.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
4. The argument is a not-so-subtle attack on black people
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

The same folks writing off Hillary's wins in states like Alabama and South Carolina are the same folks who applaud Bernie for winning states like Oklahaoma and Kansas.

They want to diminish Hillary's wins in certain red states where a lot of black people live.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. BALONEY. You always want to play the race card. That is pathetic.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

And it is a mean spirited attack on Sanders' supporters.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. Democratic voters aren't buying what you folks are selling
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary leads Bernie by over 2.5 million votes.

Dems aren't fooled.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
12. Simple math. Total the entire GOP votes in southern States versus all Dem votes and the GOP wins.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

You're trying to make this as something about race that really is simply that there are more registered GOP voters in the South than Democrats. Check the primary numbers OR even the 2012 GE.

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