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RandySF

(58,476 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:06 PM Mar 2016

I guess the 'revolution' is too much work in Colorado.

From Reddit:

Team,

I have some bad news. I just came back from the Colorado Douglas County Democratic Assembly and Convention. Here's what happened: We have more than 48,000 democrats in the county, but only about 4700 came out to cast a vote in the caucus. Out of those, Bernie Sanders got about 2300 votes, and Clinton got about 2000. So in theory, Bernie won our district by about 300 popular vote. However, because not enough Bernie Sander Delegate show up at the County Assembly and Convention, Clinton now has a 107 delegate, and Bernie 98.

My understanding is that some "non-committed" delegates went for Hillary, but the main reason we don't have enough delegate is that Bernie people are NOT showing up. I am no sure if it is due to them being naive, young, or new to the process, but that's the reality and that's what we are dealing with. Colorado is already a thin margin victory for Bernie, now because people are lazy and not bothering to show, we might end up losing.

Anyway, in my district, there are now 16 Clinton delegates and 12 Bernie delegates. Originally, there was supposed to be more Bernie delegates than Clinton! So we end up having to send 6 Clinton delegates and 4 Bernie delegates to the State Assembly. So we ended up losing by 2 delegates when we won the district by almost 10% in popular vote.

If you are a Bernie Delegate in Douglas County and you didn't bother to go to the convention today, YOU are the reason the delegates are not reflecting on people's voices. You cannot blame the party establishment, you cannot blame the media or the super delegates. YOU are responsible for us losing. If you pledge to be a delegate, then you NEED to show up. Either don't sign up in the beginning, or follow through if you do. It is the responsible things to do.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text. I just need to vent a little.



https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4b4qri/colorado_douglas_county_democrat_assembly_and/
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I guess the 'revolution' is too much work in Colorado. (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2016 OP
It would appear............... leftofcool Mar 2016 #1
Douglas County - where they teach creationism SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #41
It's a shame, but it reflects demographic Hortensis Mar 2016 #46
. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #2
Is the caucus today? Are we time traveling nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #3
This was posted 2 hours ago griffi94 Mar 2016 #8
That's the first step. RandySF Mar 2016 #9
Thanks for the clarification nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #14
First elections are tough. grossproffit Mar 2016 #15
The post is about today's Colorado Douglas County Democratic Assembly and Convention grossproffit Mar 2016 #13
Spring Break? redstateblues Mar 2016 #4
Ahhh...that could be! But then why agree to be a delegate? Lucinda Mar 2016 #27
Clearly a DNC conspiracy frazzled Mar 2016 #5
LOL. Good one. livetohike Mar 2016 #7
That's funny right there griffi94 Mar 2016 #10
These rules were set by the Colorado Democratic Party. RandySF Mar 2016 #11
Rules? grossproffit Mar 2016 #16
The vote should have been an online poll KingFlorez Mar 2016 #17
Too funny. grossproffit Mar 2016 #21
Heeh... SidDithers Mar 2016 #33
They didn't show up at the state convention. Guess they didn't know what livetohike Mar 2016 #6
Maybe they were given some bad info UglyGreed Mar 2016 #12
Not at all what happened in Weld County, Colorado. intheflow Mar 2016 #18
Thank you for this update UglyGreed Mar 2016 #20
There are only 66 delegates for Colorado, so how can he have won 87? AP says he won 38 for the state shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #44
I was visiting friends in Colorado so don't know the ins and outs of the caucus process BUT intheflow Mar 2016 #48
Scheduling that during March Madness is clear disenfranchisment PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #19
OMG! I am a MM widow. leftofcool Mar 2016 #23
Well, I do remember us saying, back in March 2003, intheflow Mar 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #22
Yeah. Median household income in this county is in excess of $100,000 a year. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #26
Well, I thought it was funny shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #45
This is a problem with caucases. joshcryer Mar 2016 #24
Douglas County Colorado, median income $102,000, edges to Clinton. Shocker. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #25
Why does that even matter? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #30
It doesn't matter griffi94 Mar 2016 #35
Cause if you make more than 48k a year you're wall street dammit !!! /sarcasm uponit7771 Mar 2016 #42
Bernie did damn good to get 2300 votes Douglas County. Autumn Mar 2016 #28
yes Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #37
I read this earlier and was trying to make sense of it. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #29
this fits the model - in 2014, 1 in 5 under 30 voted, and in 2012, only 1 in 4 voted DrDan Mar 2016 #31
Down way down from 2008. joshcryer Mar 2016 #34
In my experience in Minnesota, MineralMan Mar 2016 #32
Ratfucking 101 kristopher Mar 2016 #36
Why do you have to be so condescending? This happens to every supporter group at some point. DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #38
Yeah, I like the "must be too much work" slur, tabasco Mar 2016 #43
I was a Bernie delegate at the Douglas County Convention Esse Quam Videri Mar 2016 #40
What was that about the will of the people again? azurnoir Mar 2016 #47
 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
41. Douglas County - where they teach creationism
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

here in Jefferson we recalled the crazy school board

and today the $hillary supporters were asking if they could change their votes to Sanders

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. It's a shame, but it reflects demographic
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:26 AM
Mar 2016

realities that mean something in a representative democracy. There is advantage to drawing mature, stable voters. They go home after work, watch their kids and grandkids play ball on weekends, and mostly skip rallies, but they are more likely to be registered and to vote and, as seen, to show up as delegates.

RandySF

(58,476 posts)
9. That's the first step.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:20 PM
Mar 2016

On Super Tuesday, people met at the precinct level to select delegates to the County Conventions. Then the delegates elected at the Super Tuesday caucuses were to meet at the county level to send delegate to the state convention, where national delegates are ultimately selected. If you were elected delegate, you have to show up for the next step.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
13. The post is about today's Colorado Douglas County Democratic Assembly and Convention
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

and delegates. It's in the article posted in the OP.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
17. The vote should have been an online poll
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

With the option to clear cookies and vote again. Dirty DNC tricks.

livetohike

(22,121 posts)
6. They didn't show up at the state convention. Guess they didn't know what
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

being a delegate means, or else they didn't care.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
18. Not at all what happened in Weld County, Colorado.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm just back from there. Sanders garnered 87 delegates to Clinton's 48. Sorry to give a reality check, Clinton supporters, but one of the richest counties in the state flipping over to Clinton does not equal a state-wide fail.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
44. There are only 66 delegates for Colorado, so how can he have won 87? AP says he won 38 for the state
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:18 AM
Mar 2016

Just 10 more than Clinton.

Colorado · 66 delegates
99% reporting

Bernie Sanders (won)
delegates: 38
59.0%
72,115

Hillary Clinton
delegates: 28
40.3%
49,314

Source: AP



intheflow

(28,442 posts)
48. I was visiting friends in Colorado so don't know the ins and outs of the caucus process BUT
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:43 AM
Mar 2016

according to the Weld County Democrats page they were electing 133 delegates to the state convention. (They haven't updated their page yet to show the counts.) And then I think from the state convention they'll whittle it down to who goes to the national convention. I do know that state delegates can switch their votes to either candidate at any time, voting their conscience.

http://www.weldcountydems.org/wp/NewWP/?p=1180

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
39. Well, I do remember us saying, back in March 2003,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

that it was pretty disenfranchising to anti-war protests that Bush decided to invade Iraq during spring break as so many student organizers were away from their organizing communities during that week. It's spring break for many, many colleges this week. So timing could have something to do with the youth turnout.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. Yeah. Median household income in this county is in excess of $100,000 a year.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:41 PM
Mar 2016

They don't need free stuff. And snotty pot jokes are for right wingers.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
24. This is a problem with caucases.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think Sanders supporters should be shut out for not knowing the process. I doubt this will effect the delegate count by much.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
35. It doesn't matter
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

but it's much harder to deal with the fact that some of Bernies
delegates didn't show up if you have to consider that
the revolution is fizzling or the supporters are losing interest or
that participation is waning as more and more people see the writing on the wall.

Much easier and comforting to blame it on a conspiracy or DNC shenanigans
or the rich or dirty tricks by Hillary supporters.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. I read this earlier and was trying to make sense of it.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
Mar 2016
The director of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s Asian American and Pacific Islander outreach efforts is leaving the campaign for a position with the Colorado Democrats, a campaign official said on Saturday.


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-asian-american-outreach-director_us_56edb13fe4b09bf44a9d7743



DrDan

(20,411 posts)
31. this fits the model - in 2014, 1 in 5 under 30 voted, and in 2012, only 1 in 4 voted
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

those under 30 do not show up at the polls

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
32. In my experience in Minnesota,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

We always have some delegates elected at the precinct level who do not show up at the next level' s convention. It has happened every time I've been there.

Those who don't show up can't participate. I always show up.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
38. Why do you have to be so condescending? This happens to every supporter group at some point.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

Like a lot of Sanders supporters, I want to like you guys, but the tone you take suggest you hate us and don't want us around. It's very off-putting and reminds me of all the people I desperately wanted to be friends with in school but bullied me.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
43. Yeah, I like the "must be too much work" slur,
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

implying that Sanders supporters are young lazy bums.

Sanders supporters have brought more energy to this year's election than I have seen in years.

I wonder what the OP has done beside sitting on his or her ass and typing on a message board.

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
40. I was a Bernie delegate at the Douglas County Convention
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:45 PM
Mar 2016

And that is not the results they announced. Bernie ended up with 5 more votes than Hillary received county wide. However she received more delegates going to the state convention. While they did not explain this, maybe because of the actual delegate flips and no shows, I attributed it to the fact that there must have been precincts with higher Bernie votes. However there is a limit to the amount of delegates a precinct will send to the county convention no matter the total number of votes.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
47. What was that about the will of the people again?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:42 AM
Mar 2016

Anyway, in my district, there are now 16 Clinton delegates and 12 Bernie delegates. Originally, there was supposed to be more Bernie delegates than Clinton! So we end up having to send 6 Clinton delegates and 4 Bernie delegates to the State Assembly. So we ended up losing by 2 delegates when we won the district by almost 10% in popular vote.

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