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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:56 PM Mar 2016

ANYONE who supports Hillary who would actually vote for Hillary over Bernie is NOT progressive.

Last edited Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Okay, so this was an extremely poor copycat OP that I really didn't think through very well, so while I do believe the sentiment that no progressive in their right mind who is made aware of Hillary's policy record and stances can possibly vote for her over Sanders and that that is the biggest "NO-BRAINER" out there seeing as how it is clear that Bernie out performs her in the GE, I edited this OP since it really was a mess when I tried copying what the other OP said since it wasn't a good copycat to begin with.

I hope you enjoy all the video responses though! I sure had fun.

Cheers!

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ANYONE who supports Hillary who would actually vote for Hillary over Bernie is NOT progressive. (Original Post) cui bono Mar 2016 OP
You don't speak for me. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #1
I wouldn't know how to. cui bono Mar 2016 #2
And whether you or your friends want to believe it a lot of progressives support Hillary. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #6
So? It doesn't follow logically that that makes her a progressive. cui bono Mar 2016 #7
You are the one who made the comment we are not progressive if we vote for her over him. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #8
Nope. cui bono Mar 2016 #9
You are wrong! Good night. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #12
No, actually you are. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #21
Darn straight! nt Duval Mar 2016 #30
... cui bono Mar 2016 #73
Too bad it's not Bernice Sanders running. We could have the "Hill Peoples" "woman in the White brewens Mar 2016 #82
LOLOL!! +100 eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #98
!! Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #111
The financially comfortable choose not to see, but as the middle class keeps dissapeering Dragonfli Mar 2016 #84
Thank you for this! well done. eom! Karma13612 Mar 2016 #97
well, said hrmjustin. i'll say good night too. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #46
Yep! Good night my friend! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #47
Its the law of association...although "they" apply that only when it is convenient..example insta8er Mar 2016 #20
LOL. kath Mar 2016 #36
I speak for you now, Justin. They didn't tell you? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #95
Thank heaven I have you. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #99
I thought you'd want to know that there's a guy in your post having what appears to be a seizure. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #103
No doubt you will be there to enjoy it. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #104
I have no understanding of that statement. Until next time, be well. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #105
You too. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #107
Nor does the OP speak for me.... FarPoint Mar 2016 #106
1172 to 846...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #3
... cui bono Mar 2016 #33
nuff said DrDan Mar 2016 #93
I've always found the best way to respond to "trash talking", to use a sports metaphor... SidDithers Mar 2016 #94
Big numbers...I assume Treudeau had the 1172? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #96
The wheels are coming off. LexVegas Mar 2016 #4
... cui bono Mar 2016 #5
if I vote for Bernie can I have an F35 in my garage too? nt msongs Mar 2016 #10
... cui bono Mar 2016 #22
No we need to cut military spending! And they are pieces of junk anyways, you wouldn't want one.n/t insta8er Mar 2016 #23
Did you put on a nice kilt before you made this textbook mythology Mar 2016 #11
No, I just read an OP I decided to make a copycat of... cui bono Mar 2016 #15
I'm a liberal, not a progressive The Second Stone Mar 2016 #13
I don't support any "socialist who wants to control production". Who is that??? cui bono Mar 2016 #16
That is what a socialist is, look it up The Second Stone Mar 2016 #26
Is this you? cui bono Mar 2016 #43
Obama is pretty clearly a moderate with liberal The Second Stone Mar 2016 #62
No one does. And that's why you sound like Palin when you make that claim about Bernie. cui bono Mar 2016 #66
Buh bye Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #77
Thank you. I so appreciate that The Second Stone Mar 2016 #117
It sounds like you're neither but you probably already knew that. Broward Mar 2016 #18
I'm and FDR liberal. Are you? Are you a socialist? If so, come out proudly The Second Stone Mar 2016 #27
Not buying it, but keep trying to convince yourself. Broward Mar 2016 #28
Suit yourself. Socialist The Second Stone Mar 2016 #31
You've revealed yourself. Don't be ashamed of who you are. Broward Mar 2016 #34
I'm not. I'm an anti-socialist. The Second Stone Mar 2016 #39
Thanks for bobbing to the surface Fairgo Mar 2016 #38
Doing the same thing, expecting a different outcome...because it has worked so great for the working insta8er Mar 2016 #35
Okay fine, get working on winning the primary. Agschmid Mar 2016 #14
Don't you have some threads to needlessly lock or something Purveyor Mar 2016 #40
Feel free to start one, I haven't locked a thread in over an hour. Agschmid Mar 2016 #42
this might help... cui bono Mar 2016 #51
I'll have to try that on the next DM thread, thanks. Agschmid Mar 2016 #53
You might wanna ping Steven to see if he can get you a gig Purveyor Mar 2016 #65
The seminal poster is entitled to his or her opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #17
... cui bono Mar 2016 #19
Hahaha Loudestlib Mar 2016 #68
What is it tonight? NCTraveler Mar 2016 #24
Their ops seem more and more desperate. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #29
you said Goodnight 15 minutes before this. not good on the follow-through, eh? kath Mar 2016 #41
Maybe he doesn't have this video: cui bono Mar 2016 #44
ROFL! kath Mar 2016 #50
Oh sweet baby jeebus! Now I'll never get to sleep! ebayfool Mar 2016 #90
Oh Kath! Hugs and love to you. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #45
Now it's waayyy past your bedtime. kath Mar 2016 #52
Just trying to make nice with my accuser. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #54
Kinda hard to fall asleep up on a crucifix? kath Mar 2016 #56
LOL! cui bono Mar 2016 #58
Cui bono, I think you need to read him another book. kath Mar 2016 #64
maybe this one, but it might give him nightmares... cui bono Mar 2016 #78
Cross dear! Try to get the terminology right when delivering snark. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #60
.. cui bono Mar 2016 #72
They are going through the stages of grief. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #55
It's Spring Equinox!!! (March 19/20 this year) floppyboo Mar 2016 #110
My state went for Sanders. joshcryer Mar 2016 #25
2.75 million Democrats disagree with you. And Clinton has the Democratic vote while Sanders is seabeyond Mar 2016 #32
baggers... cui bono Mar 2016 #49
Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress redstateblues Mar 2016 #63
It's actually 8,651,128 who disagree outright with thise poster, and quite a hefty synergie Mar 2016 #59
No. He's getting the Independent vote. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #116
Thank you cui bono. K&R nt Duval Mar 2016 #37
It would be very nice if sanity would indeed come into play, posts like this clearly show synergie Mar 2016 #48
... cui bono Mar 2016 #57
sad that your nice vacation was cut short by more than a month? kath Mar 2016 #61
... cui bono Mar 2016 #70
Jury results edbermac Mar 2016 #67
out of order... cui bono Mar 2016 #71
I demand justice! Kittycat Mar 2016 #86
Did you know you could support Sanders and Clinton at the same time? joshcryer Mar 2016 #69
... cui bono Mar 2016 #74
:) joshcryer Mar 2016 #76
ANYONE who supports Bernie who would actually not vote for Hillary in the GE is NOT progressive Sheepshank Mar 2016 #75
I use to think I could vote for Hillary if necessary Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #80
Ah, so you saw the OP this is an extremely poor copy cat of... cui bono Mar 2016 #113
Perhaps Hillary should take this up with Hillary RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #79
Oh great. More nonsensical purity tests. LonePirate Mar 2016 #81
Yet Hillary supporters would vote for Bernie.... chillfactor Mar 2016 #83
Obviously the ones that would have voted for Bloomberg. OZi Mar 2016 #89
This is exactly true. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #109
Who the hell appointed you as the guardian comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #85
No, God annointed Bernie actually. cui bono Mar 2016 #87
disagree MFM008 Mar 2016 #88
Absolutely true. Maedhros Mar 2016 #91
You're not progressive Onlooker Mar 2016 #92
You are completely wrong about Bernie. He has been socially progressive since day 1. cui bono Mar 2016 #115
blocked bigtree Mar 2016 #100
:'( cui bono Mar 2016 #114
And yet she voted with Sanders 93% of the time. randome Mar 2016 #101
and not Liberal either Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #102
Another high priest of liberalism here to ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #108
Fine by me. I am a centrist economically but just as progressive socially as anyone here, Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #112

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
7. So? It doesn't follow logically that that makes her a progressive.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

A supports B doesn't mean that B=A.

Plus, a lot of people who call themselves progressive are no where near that. A progressive wouldn't back someone who is for fracking, the TPP, war, aidign and abetting the overthrowing of democracies, banksters... etc...

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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
8. You are the one who made the comment we are not progressive if we vote for her over him.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

You are wrong!!!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
9. Nope.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary supporters will find out within 5-10 years that they are on the wrong side of history. The times are changing, be it with Bernie as president or not.

Then you'll get a chance to see what real progressivism is and see how you were incorrect in your assessments.

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Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
21. No, actually you are.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is bad for the struggling middle class in this country.

Until you and the "blinded by her rhetoric" middle class see this, we all have to suffer if she takes the White House.

ALL.OF.US.

So get used to we Bernie supporters continuing to fight for what is best for America.

When Bernie starts to turn things around, and the middle class starts to thrive again, no need to thank us.

We'll just be grateful we have food on the table, decent healthcare, the hope of a nice retirement, and maybe a decent planet to leave our grandkids.

Good night to you too.

brewens

(13,581 posts)
82. Too bad it's not Bernice Sanders running. We could have the "Hill Peoples" "woman in the White
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

House" and a progressive candidate. If Bernie were like Hillary, he'd probably consider a sex change.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
84. The financially comfortable choose not to see, but as the middle class keeps dissapeering
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:55 AM
Mar 2016

and as poverty increases as has been the constant. They will lose that comfort and see with new eyes, albeit probably too late to matter.They actually believe life is good for everyone now under policies she would not only continue, but would do so in an ever more rightward fashion, a more corporate fashion.

The actual truth is that as the economy grows stronger only the wealthy see the benefits, while the middle class shrinks and the poor grow both in number and misery index, not to mention that if she had her druthers we would be using our military far more than we are now, one of the reasons she had to be replaced by SoS Kerry.

Hillary Clinton's appetite for war

........So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.

They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).

As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.

They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols..........
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To understand her military policies look no closer than her NeoCon alliances and advisers, and let us not forget her tutorledge under Kissinger.

To understand the length and breadth of her ingrained New Democrat, Neo-liberal philosophies.

Understand what shaped those views. an excellent and informative op here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027200959

and there are some excerpts here from more of a primer OP which I authored, although Madfloridian's post linked above holds far more detail

....New Democrats, in the politics of the United States, are an ideologically centrist faction within the Democratic Party that emerged after the victory of Republican George H. W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. They are identified with centrist social/cultural/pluralist positions and neoliberal fiscal values. They are represented by organizations such as the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the New Democrat Network, and the Senate and House New Democrat Coalitions

After the landslide electoral losses to Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, a group of prominent Democrats began to believe their party was in need of a radical shift in economic policy and ideas of governance. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was founded in 1985 by Al From and a group of like-minded politicians and strategists. They advocated a political "Third Way" as a method to achieve the electoral successes of Reaganism by adopting similar economic policies (Reagan Democrats and Moderate Republicans would provide burgeoning new constituencies after adding these new economic policies and politicians to our tent they contended) While hoping to retain, woman, minorities and other social issues allies with long ties to the party. Such would be their new Democratic coalition forged between fiscal right and social left under the "New" Democratic banner. The DLC disbanded in 2011 during an apparent re-branding of the New Democrat movement when money ties to the Koch bros. and Koch representatives placed on the DLC's board embarrassingly became common knowledge among the Democratic left. The DLC is survived by the Third Way, The New Democrat Coalition, and Al From's Progressive Policy Institute among other corporate funded groups that continue to sell their Economic-Right/Social-Left brand of "Centrism" to America....

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....Third Way was created as a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-right progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the state; economic interventionist policies that had previously been popularized by Keynesianism and contrasted with the corresponding rise of popularity for neo liberalism and the New Right. In a sense, 80s Moderate Republicans are almost identical to "Third Way" Democrats.

I strongly believe it's time for a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-left progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the neoliberal corporate policies previously popularized by Reagan and Thatcher! For thirty years we have all but abandoned liberal solutions to economic problems, chasing instead the snake oil of supply side economics, austerity and neoliberal trade policy. These right wing policies have failed miserably, and rather than learn from the New Democrats failed experiments, the center-right faction of the democratic party has chosen instead to double down on failure with more free trade and austerity measures (to include cuts to Social Security).

In the face of a new gilded age of extreme wealth contrasted by an exponentially growing rate of poverty,  a rapidly shrinking middle class and the emergence of an elite class of  bankers, politicians and other predatory behemoths that are held firmly above the law and enabled to steal the remaining crumbs of wealth held by the masses without repercussion, it is not only time to return to Democratic principles of old that created the strongest most prosperous middle class in our history, it is time to reverse the damage done by the right thinking "New" Democrats and their failed policies with a new populism based on the needs of the people over the elite.....
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insta8er

(960 posts)
20. Its the law of association...although "they" apply that only when it is convenient..example
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:13 PM
Mar 2016

When you receive huuuuuuuge sums for speaking engagements..you don't associate with those people, in fact you are going to come down on them very hard when you are in charge.

Ex1.H associates with Goldman Sachs but is not one of them(No association)...and will come down on them when she is President.

Ex2.Another example (yours) H is not a progressive, but her association with some progressives....that makes her one of them!

It is really simple if you just know the rules Like when you say something people don't like...you just misspoke.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
95. I speak for you now, Justin. They didn't tell you?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:16 AM
Mar 2016

I'll be speaking for you later today at the grand opening of a new Chevy dealership. And don't worry about a thing--I've got you covered.

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
106. Nor does the OP speak for me....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:00 AM
Mar 2016

I am a Progressive who lives in reality. I know Hillary can win at the Game of Thrones....

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
94. I've always found the best way to respond to "trash talking", to use a sports metaphor...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:38 AM
Mar 2016

is to just point at the scoreboard.



Sid

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
23. No we need to cut military spending! And they are pieces of junk anyways, you wouldn't want one.n/t
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
15. No, I just read an OP I decided to make a copycat of...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

somewhat. It's silly I know, but I don't care. Sometimes I'm serious and sometimes I'm not.

But I do believe that no true progressive could in their right mind support Hillary. So there.



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The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
13. I'm a liberal, not a progressive
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

and I won't be voting for your socialist who wants to control production. I'm for privately owned production.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
16. I don't support any "socialist who wants to control production". Who is that???
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

Please link me to that info! I didn't know there was such a person running.

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The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
62. Obama is pretty clearly a moderate with liberal
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

tendencies. He is to my right on a spectrum. I don't think he is a socialist.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
66. No one does. And that's why you sound like Palin when you make that claim about Bernie.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

Because the only people who say that are the ones trying to smear him. Anyone paying any attention knows he's not one and he has no desire to control the means of production.

In your own words, "look it up".

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The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
27. I'm and FDR liberal. Are you? Are you a socialist? If so, come out proudly
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

and admit it like Sanders.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
39. I'm not. I'm an anti-socialist.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

socialism play
noun so·cial·ism ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm
Popularity: Top 1% of lookups
Simple Definition of socialism

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Are you a socialist? Please, reveal yourself, don't be ashamed.
 

insta8er

(960 posts)
35. Doing the same thing, expecting a different outcome...because it has worked so great for the working
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

folks...yes lets continue with the same old mantra, just put new faces in charge..with the same goals...THEIRS!

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
40. Don't you have some threads to needlessly lock or something
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

of the sort?

Why waste your efforts on such nonsense?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
42. Feel free to start one, I haven't locked a thread in over an hour.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

My life is incomplete without locks.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
65. You might wanna ping Steven to see if he can get you a gig
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

with faux knews. You being so "far and balanced" and all that you would fit in just fine with like minded folks...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. The seminal poster is entitled to his or her opinion.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

I have had an epiphany. We need more love and kindness.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
90. Oh sweet baby jeebus! Now I'll never get to sleep!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:55 AM
Mar 2016

Too much gold in this thread to go to bed. Dayum. But I do love Samuel Jackson. He reads that to perfection!

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
110. It's Spring Equinox!!! (March 19/20 this year)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:52 AM
Mar 2016

Pagan Easter!

"It is common to use this time to free yourself from things which hinder progress. As a day of equilibrium, it is a good time to perform self banishings and also perform workings to gain things we have lost, or to gain qualities we wish to have." http://www.thewhitegoddess.co.uk/the_wheel_of_the_year/ostara_-_spring_equinox.asp

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
25. My state went for Sanders.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

Not my problem now. I'll vote for the nominee, if your precinct didn't go for him, that's on you.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
32. 2.75 million Democrats disagree with you. And Clinton has the Democratic vote while Sanders is
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

dependent on the bagger vote.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
63. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

You folks in the Purity Party don't get to decide who is progressive and who isn't liberal enough. Stop the condescension. It's not getting you any converts

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
59. It's actually 8,651,128 who disagree outright with thise poster, and quite a hefty
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

portion of that 6,111,918 who voted for Bernie, but don't share the visceral, right wing hatred for Hillary that many of the rather vocal and rather unsubtle Bernie cheering squad who violate pretty much everything their supposed candidate has ever said.

This level of Hillary hate is usually only found in the right wing cesspools of the internet.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
116. No. He's getting the Independent vote.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

You know, that vote Hillary won't get in the general.

She'll lose to tRump or Cruz because of it.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
48. It would be very nice if sanity would indeed come into play, posts like this clearly show
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

how little sanity is involved in these incessant attacks on Hillary from the paranoid conspiracy theories, to outright lies.

You seem to be really upset that Trump is being attacked, and felt the need to attack Hillary in a post that echoes it? I wonder why.

edbermac

(15,938 posts)
67. Jury results
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

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ANYONE who supports Hillary who would actually vote for Hillary over Bernie is NOT progressive.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511534438

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joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
69. Did you know you could support Sanders and Clinton at the same time?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

But prefer one over the other?

Shocking, I know.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
75. ANYONE who supports Bernie who would actually not vote for Hillary in the GE is NOT progressive
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

That goes for anyone who would waste their vote in a write in.......

Your words....

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
79. Perhaps Hillary should take this up with Hillary
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

"I take a backseat to no one," Clinton told a New Hampshire audience in July, "When you look at my record in standing up and fighting for progressive values."

chillfactor

(7,575 posts)
83. Yet Hillary supporters would vote for Bernie....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:45 AM
Mar 2016

if he wins the nomination..yet Bernie supporters say the will never vote for Hillary....so tell me who are the TRUE Democrats? Not Bernie supporters.

OZi

(155 posts)
89. Obviously the ones that would have voted for Bloomberg.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:47 AM
Mar 2016

Or maybe the ones that would have voted for Biden over Hillary.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
109. This is exactly true.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary supporters will toe the party line no matter what. TRUE Democrats.

We Bernie supporters, on the other hand, vote our conscience and will not support a warmongering wall street toadie.

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
85. Who the hell appointed you as the guardian
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

of progressive purity? Did God come down from heaven and anoint you as the gate keeper of progressiveness? You are just some random person on the internet with an opinion like several billion others.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
87. No, God annointed Bernie actually.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:45 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:43 AM - Edit history (2)

https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod/status/692911297088897024


And you know that's the real God because he only follows one person, The Beebs.

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MFM008

(19,806 posts)
88. disagree
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:21 AM
Mar 2016

Never could get worked up about Sanders, hes just to damn old. To temperamental , to get off my lawn. The things he wants to do will not get through congress. A walk through recent history tells up Obama went in with a democratic congress in his first 2 years, he did bang health care through in March 2010, but that's about it. When we have congressional cowards in our own party what can you do?
As a 57 year old gal, its long past time for a woman in the oval office. If Merkel could run Europe essentially I want to see what HRC can do. No shes not as liberal as I might like, neither was Obama. I promised myself after supporting Obama in 2008 against her, that if she ran again I would vote for her. I don't think she will be as disappointing as you might.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
91. Absolutely true.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:46 AM
Mar 2016

On every single issue of importance to Progressives his positions are as good or far better than Hillary's. Period.

To insist on Hillary instead of Bernie is to admit that one doesn't really care about Progressive issues.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
92. You're not progressive
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:56 AM
Mar 2016

That kind of sweeping arrogant attitude, suggesting that the majority of blacks, gays, and women who support Hillary are not progressive is so narrow minded. Bernie is an economic progressive, which is great, but there are progressives who see aside from economics racism, sexism, and homophobia as linked to other social issues, and need to be addressed in ways other than economic justice. Economic justice is very, very important, but Bernie's message really is too narrow. Economic justice, which is 99% what he focuses on, does not address the reality of microaggressions and institutional bigotry that exists in our culture. While Bernie speaks to those issues, he really only started doing so after a lot of pressure from BLM. Hillary has been involved in those issues far more directly for years, and despite her missteps has won a broad range of support from powerful progressive individuals and groups who represent the oppressed. While Bernie may be more progressive than Hillary, the oppressed are able to understand that Hillary has been quite good as well.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
115. You are completely wrong about Bernie. He has been socially progressive since day 1.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

He doesn't call black kids superpredators, he doesn't take money from private prisons... etc.. etc... etc...

You should educate yourself before posting silly stuff like that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
101. And yet she voted with Sanders 93% of the time.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:56 AM
Mar 2016

Can we see a chart so we'll know better next time?
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JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
108. Another high priest of liberalism here to ...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:07 AM
Mar 2016

... condem us sinners.

Well, in all fairness, DU did just lose a high priest of liberalism, so there is a position open.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
112. Fine by me. I am a centrist economically but just as progressive socially as anyone here,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:52 PM
Mar 2016

and I support Hillary.

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