2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie will not be HRC's running mate.
1) It would mean giving up his Senate seat and having it get flipped over to someone way to his right. Someone who wouldn't stand for anything.
2) It would mean he would have no ability to speak out on the issues he cares about...vice presidents aren't allowed to publicly express dissenting viewpoints on anything, and it's likely that, if he were veep, she'd treat him like LBJ treated Humphrey.
3) If people thought he was too old to be president at age 75, they're not going to think it's ok for him to be vice president at the same age.
If HRC is nominated, she will have an obligation to choose a running mate from the progressive(i.e. Sanders)wing of the party. But it should be a significantly younger progressive, like Nina Turner or Keith Ellison.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)he isn't a democrat, he's said so.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)We're "not Democrats", according to you.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)getting OLD and feels like a tantrum.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)you get no bong pipe, unicorns, tee shits, key chains, or popcorn. Either vote or STFU, were not twisting your arms but don't complain.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)riversedge
(70,182 posts)FarPoint
(12,316 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)She'd pick a Republican if she thought it would help.
If Hillary makes it to the general. She will distance herself from her borrowed Bernie platform.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Or, are you going to say she is a Republican?
jfern
(5,204 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)obviously you don't.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If the electorate weren't sharply to the left of where it was in 1992, Bernie would have had no significant support in the primaries at all.
He wouldn't have gone from 6% to over 40% in a matter of months.
There's good reasons for Bernie not to take that offer if it comes, but he wouldn't be a liability in electoral terms.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Vice Presidents don't have much power; their only official duty is to break a tie in the Senate. He can do more good as a Senator. Hillary wouldn't choose him anyhow because I'm sure she'd prefer another centrist tool.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,580 posts)It's better to have the Pres. and VP from different areas of the country as well as different socio-economic groups.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)That's where both Trump and Sanders have been hammering her.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,580 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)Her main obligation is to pick someone she thinks will work with her toward her goals and who can help gain votes in the GE... and hopefully someone who will help down ticket. Someone perhaps like Julian Castro. She won't pick Nina Turner or Keith Ellison for obvious reasons.
On the other hand, Bernie wouldn't pick her as a VP choice, nor would he pick anyone who had been campaigning hard for her against him.
JMHO
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)We don't need Cisneros the Second as veep. Picking a centrist who happens to be a POC is not diversity.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)She thinks centrism is the way to go and she doesn't think she needs progressives.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)More like an ambitious political schmoozer. Politico ran a story a few months ago. It left me feeling
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Hillary wouldn't want to be upstaged, after all.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It will be about the future of the party.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)She is well aware of the history involved
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)He will very likely get bumped to the head of the committee.
So I agree, he would be losing a lot of sway if he was the VP.
delrem
(9,688 posts)HRC will do what those who pay her task her to do.
It won't have fuck all to do with this "campaign".
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)It's hard to imagine how she could make a bigger mistake than the Nancy Reagan/poison blood fiasco, but if she did pick him that would be it.
I wouldn't put it past her.
After all, poor little Marco isn't going to get elected to any office anymore, and he's the Deep Pockets' darling.
Sanders wouldn't be on a ticket with dirty money Hilly, and I wouldn't want him to.
I think we should insist on Alan Grayson, as a condition of voting for her. That guy could keep an eye on our valuables and keep her straight if anybody could.
Blus4u
(608 posts)who headed straight to K Street. "Little Marco" knows where he will be best served.
Peace
kcr
(15,315 posts)I hope she doesn't pick Castro. I have a feeling that's who she'll go with, though.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)mvd
(65,170 posts)There's a chance that ignorant people will say, "look, Hillary's running with Castro! I knew she's a Commie." I don't think it would be Sanders due to his age. She'd probably choose someone young and a minority. And hopefully a good progressive that could possibly run in 2024.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)At this point in time it seems to have lost all meaning, at least in terms of the boogie-man it was back when I was growing up. Wonder how many people under 30 actually give it a thought at all, despite how firmly the GOPukes hope and wish it is a magic wand they can use against the Dems.
I suspect the unicorns will trample that magic wand into the dustbin of history.
mvd
(65,170 posts)At least I don't think "socialist" would hurt Sanders like some say. It's lost meaning when they imply everyone who is a Democrat is one.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)If he accepted VP spot. VP has no influence on anything and is largely ceremonial role. If offered and accepted it would be largely to get his supporters to vote for Hillary despite their concerns about her (too many issues to lust here).
It makes sense for Hillary especially if she suspects she can't get his supporters onboard. I suspect though her campaign strategy is to go right and get those "moderate" GOP voters. For all the talk of the Obama coalition I suspect she will run campaign like her husband. There is no way she going to get young voters (and black voters) to come out for her like Obama did. No use running that type of campaign.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Sanders has said he would NOT follow Obama's policies.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Obama would also have time winning this election. Even in the best of circumstances it is tough to win 3 straight elections, yet alone with flawed candidate with huge unfavorables.
BTW Obama got nearly 3M less votes in 2012 than in 2008 including 1M less black votes. I suspect this round more Obama voters will sit out as this will be hugely negative campaign with likely Trump vs Hillary.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I think he is a fine president and believe most Democrats feel the same way. Only the tea party left has issues with him.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)You mean those that support the Queen? Yeah right.
You guys are more like teabaggers anyway. And Obama shouldn't support the Queen since she went behind his back with Blumenthal. It's real weak if he shows his support.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Voted against Obama that is more than few tea partiers.
You don't really understand the American electorate. Right now across the country GOP has most state houses, governorships and both houses of congress. This is with relatively popular dem president.
No matter how much Obama campaigns for Hillary, he is not going to get people to vote for Hillary that didn't vote for him. His value to Hillary is with his biggest supporters (young voters and AA). Obama couldn't convince 3M to vote for him second time and most likely more of them won't vote for Hillary. His job will be to stop as much of the bleeding as possible so it's not 5M less voters.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)She would commit more crimes and try and push them off on Bernie. She could do it real easy too. She'll have Bubba to help her. Partners in crime for sure.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Assuming Hillary wins 2 terms, I think a younger dem who could run in 24 would make more sense.
Dems better get on the ball. One of the many drawbacks of having so many house and state office GOP that frankly the dem party let happen is the up and coming dems are being shut out of down ticket offices. We need a stronger bench.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)So it sounds like this hasn't happened, or we'd both know.
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)not acceptable to certain people in the event of her demise. Nor does she have to. Nor does any militant delegate bloc in the current situation have the power to force one- though they should do some fighting with some results for something if there is even a shadow of Convention democracy and reform still in effect. Any talk by anyone about running mates is premature in any case for anyone and only serves as a transparent primary ploy to get the nomination even or especially if it gets beyond the titillating floating rumor stage.
The Veep effect has short stage life and if you have to depend on it I'd say you were in serious trouble already.
livetohike
(22,133 posts)I doubt it will be Nina Turner.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the highly successful former mayor of San Antonio and current HUD secretary.....the need of solidifying the latino vote will bring several redstates into "purple" territory for sure
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)The vice president is a constitutional position. The only way he could leave office ,if not by his own resignation, is by impeachment. If he did become VP, theoretically , there would be nothing to stop him from speaking out in issues that he had a disagreement on. I agree that it is unlikely that he will be the running mate, but the best way for Hillary to get the maximum turnout for her side would be to bring in someone from the economic reform wing of the party.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)She needs to pick someone younger, and someone who will bring an important voting block with them. That's why names like Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and younger Latino politicians like Julian Castro or Tom Perez are floated. I have to say, Perez sounds intriguing: Latino, and fluent in Spanish (unlike Castro), fairly progressive.
We'll see. But it won't be Bernie, or Warren.
hack89
(39,171 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)So, the wing that Clinton is winning in spite of, not because of? The wing that is currently savaging her daily over Benghazi, E-mails, "fracking", and on and on?
If I was a Sanders supporter, I'd do my damnest best to squash the silly "Bernie or Bust" people and get them to see the bigger picture. When Clinton is the nominee, she will have to gather as much of a base as she can to take on Trump's ignorant horde, so does she tack left and appeal to you guys, or tack centrist/right and go for the Blue Dog Dems and maybe, gasp, the neocons?
Think of it like the European governments that have to cobble together coalitions of different parties; this is your (progressive/Sanders) time to make the pitch as to why you should be the ones to be included in Camp Hillary. You may have to compromise some of your positions a bit in order to prevent them from going to the other way.
Summation; Hillary can win in the Fall regardless, but what direction that takes is up to you.