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riversedge

(70,187 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:24 PM Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton made a mistake at Nancy Reagan's funeral. Here's why her LGBT supporters forgave he



X-posted from Hillary Grp:

"The campaign was able to take advantage of long-standing relationships within the gay community."


Good article--and I was thinking---this is so WHY HILLARY SHOULD BE PRESIDENT. She has been to rodeo lots of times. She has years of building up relationships all around the world. Hillary will be good for America, its people and he world . yes she will


Hillary Clinton made a mistake at Nancy Reagan's funeral. Here's why her LGBT supporters forgave her


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-hillary-clinton-aids-response-20160319-story.html

Hillary Clinton pauses before Nancy Reagan's casket at the former first lady's funeral in Simi Valley this month. (Brian van der Brug / Los Angeles Times)
Chris MegerianChris MegerianContact Reporter





When Hillary Clinton praised Nancy Reagan’s response to AIDS shortly before Reagan’s funeral, Dominic Lowell’s phone blew up.


......“I can’t think of a single moment that was as quick and effective as they dealt with the statement surrounding Nancy Reagan,” said Bill Burton, who went toe to toe with Clinton’s campaign in 2008 as a spokesman for then-Sen. Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton evolves on gay marriage; calls for Supreme Court support


The incident showed that while Clinton’s long history in the public spotlight can be a liability among voters looking for fresh voices, it has also provided her with guardrails that have kept the campaign from spinning off the road when things go wrong.

The campaign was able to take advantage of long-standing relationships within the gay community. The president of the Human Rights Campaign, Chad Griffin, for example, got his start in politics as an 18-year-old volunteer for Bill Clinton in his first presidential campaign. Old ties like that allowed Hillary Clinton aides to quickly reach leading activists and craft a response designed to tamp down a growing furor.

“You forgive your friends,” said Elizabeth Birch, a former leader of the Human Rights Campaign.

The controversy started when Clinton sat down for an interview with MSNBC before Reagan’s funeral in Simi Valley to talk about the former first lady. In a decision that would perplex and infuriate supporters, Clinton raised the AIDS issue on her own.....................
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Hillary Clinton made a mistake at Nancy Reagan's funeral. Here's why her LGBT supporters forgave he (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2016 OP
Yes, she's proudly supported equal rights since 2013... nt revbones Mar 2016 #1
Lol! whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #10
"You forgive your friends ..." NurseJackie Mar 2016 #2
The Human Rights Campaign, lol Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #3
She's no friend of ours Politicalboi Mar 2016 #4
I forgave her. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #5
Thank you. riversedge Mar 2016 #16
*some* of her LGBT supporters forgave her nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #6
True that. Sanders supporters who were ready to vote for her gladly if she got the nom merrily Mar 2016 #26
Hillary parroted GOP talking points on "man and a woman" in the Senate TheDormouse Mar 2016 #7
The OP is about forgiveness--not holding chip on your shoulder riversedge Mar 2016 #12
The OP is about trying to sweep a turd under the rug. The OP seeks to enshrine 'say anything then Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #17
Mistake??? Mistake is "I said peony. I meant petunia." Vinca Mar 2016 #8
Makes a hell of a lot UglyGreed Mar 2016 #9
it's just so sweet, aint it? Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #11
No. Here's why: $$$ closeupready Mar 2016 #13
Straight Splaining to beat the band but LGBT are not fooled. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #14
Misspeaking, I am teaching my girls that there is no such thing as misspeaking.... insta8er Mar 2016 #15
I disagree with this Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #18
In my household we call it lying, clearly the MSM and Hillary do not carry the same values... insta8er Mar 2016 #19
Sorry, completely disagree Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #20
Wow! They can't make mistakes? leftofcool Mar 2016 #21
No they can't because the way you and your whole cheersquad is justifying it as a mistake is insta8er Mar 2016 #22
So let me see if I have this right... Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #23
No, I bring them up not to make "misstatements" I bring them up to be honorable persons who insta8er Mar 2016 #24
I grasp the concept quite well, thank you Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #28
Not when it cost people's lives...and this women has destroyed numerous peoples lives. insta8er Mar 2016 #29
You never noted that I didn't rec the OP Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #30
I just wonder if they'd be so forgiving if Sanders had made such a statement. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #25
He was for civil unions before he was for same sex marriage. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #27

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
3. The Human Rights Campaign, lol
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:28 PM
Mar 2016

Y'all need to stop.

(I don't even think that Hillary won LGBT voters in Chicago)

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
4. She's no friend of ours
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016

Let Elizabeth speak for HERSELF. She does NOT speak for me. Her Bubba husband gave us DOMA. I'm sure she was fine with that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. True that. Sanders supporters who were ready to vote for her gladly if she got the nom
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

changed their minds.

riversedge

(70,187 posts)
12. The OP is about forgiveness--not holding chip on your shoulder
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

But maybe some beatutiful spring flowers will plant a lovely seed in your unhappy brain. Enjoy


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. The OP is about trying to sweep a turd under the rug. The OP seeks to enshrine 'say anything then
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

say sorry' politics. The OP is posted by a straight Hillary supporter lecturing a minority about their own issues. Hillary supporters often accuse others of doing that. So don't do that.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
11. it's just so sweet, aint it?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

Perhaps Hillary told her it was really Bernie who was driving that bus she got thrown under

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
13. No. Here's why: $$$
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

The patronage she'll potentially give to her GLBT supporters in the form of contracts, jobs and domestic policy is probably the biggest reason why, IMHO.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. Straight Splaining to beat the band but LGBT are not fooled.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

HRC is a transphobic organization that much of this community rejects as also being sexist and racist.

5 Most Disappointing Things We Learned About HRC's 'White Men's Club'
A new internal diversity report reveals the Human Rights Campaign has a sexist work environment where only 'gay, white, male' employees advance into leadership positions.
http://www.advocate.com/human-rights-campaign-hrc/2015/06/04/5-most-disappointing-things-we-learned-about-hrcs-white-mens-cl

The OP has two honest words 'take advantage' as in "The campaign was able to take advantage of long-standing relationships".


Edited to add: California, here we come!

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
15. Misspeaking, I am teaching my girls that there is no such thing as misspeaking....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

You are accountable for your choice of words, think before you speak! especially if you want to become the leader of this country.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
18. I disagree with this
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think that this specific case is a case of "misspeaking" but sometimes a person actually does mean things one way and those words are taken in another way for unknown reasons.

No human being communicates effectively 100% of the time.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
19. In my household we call it lying, clearly the MSM and Hillary do not carry the same values...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

We as parents need to instill in our children. I remember vividly sniper fire....I guess that comment was also subject to different ways of interpreting?

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Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
20. Sorry, completely disagree
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

my post specifically said that this specific case was excluded.

Are you such a special snowflake that you haven't misspoken about ANYTHING?

I'm not.

I specifically excluded Clinton's comments from your very generalized statement.

People can and do misspeak was my only point. I never said that Hillary Clinton did misspeak in this case, so get off of your moral sanctified horse with me.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
22. No they can't because the way you and your whole cheersquad is justifying it as a mistake is
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

a breeding ground for dishonest people. I am teaching my girls to become stand up persons, someone that others can look up too. There is no such thing as misspeaking especially not for someone who wants to hold the highest office in this country. I am sorry Hillary Cheersquad, she is a blatant liar and has been exposed on numerous occasions. If you want to use that as a role model for your children, please go ahead...but you will reap what you sow.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
23. So let me see if I have this right...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:22 PM
Mar 2016

You refuse to accept any misstatements from your daughters because of how you feel about Hillary Clinton

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
24. No, I bring them up not to make "misstatements" I bring them up to be honorable persons who
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

think before they speak. Who don't make stuff up so they don't have to retract afterwards what they have said. I notice that you have with this notion a lot of problems. In the end it all boils down to the person you would want to be, you feel compelled to march along or behind someone of questionable statute when it comes to her being lose and fast with the truth. And I believe I need to point these things out to my daughters so they can identify this kind of behavior and not become like that. Should you not grasp the concept of this then I pitty you and those that are dear to you. So..maybe this is enough to press the "report" button for you now?

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
28. I grasp the concept quite well, thank you
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

I'm saying that you can teach your daughters to think before they speak all that you want to but there will come a point in time where they will make misstatements, no matter how honorable they are...because they are human and may not have all of the facts necessary to communicate effectively in a given situation (which is quite contrary to how I feel about Clinton's Reagan statements here, actually)

Haven't you EVER made a misstatement?

I know that I have.

I know that I have made statements thinking one way, only to have them construed in another way for whatever reason. I've hurt people's feelings when I have made those statements.

Sometimes I ONLY see my POV on things.

Making misstatements and errors in judgment is a part of being a fallible human being.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
29. Not when it cost people's lives...and this women has destroyed numerous peoples lives.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

If she would have put those peoples lives before her greed they would be still around. You cannot with a straight face and knowing the facts about her and her choices think that she has what it takes to run this country.
We all make mistakes, but hardly any of them have such a profound effect on other peoples lives and lively hoods. Knowing that I could not go to sleep with a good conscious that that women could ever be put in a position where she could do even greater harm.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
30. You never noted that I didn't rec the OP
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

I actually don't think Clinton's comments were an innocent "mistake" and I did not vote for Clinton in the primary nor am I defending her statements here (and if I have, please show me where I did).

Based on those comments, though you made a very very general statement about the nature of "mistakes" and "missstatement" and I challenged it.

In other words, you made a misstatement that mischaracterized my position...see how easy that is.

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