20,000 a 30,000 at Bernie Sanders rally.

[Seeinghope]

Hours before Democratic presidential candidate
Bernie Sanders was set to speak in Seattle, WA an

estimated crowd of 20,000-30,000 lined up to


Get into an arena that holds 17,000


Kind of hard to play with votes, stop counts, faulty machines........ When you have real live people showing their support in person

[uponit7771]

1. If the nom depended on crowd sizes Sanders would've won months ago no doubt. But it doesn't and

... Sanders isn't getting these people out to vote in states with more diverse electorate.

I'm still wondering how in the hell is a progressive revolution supposed to be for the most part racially and gender homogeneous

[bkkyosemite]

3. You Hillary supporters really think that a candidate who gets 30,000 people at his rallies

is somehow not getting the votes........I think he is....but they are being "rigged"

[uponit7771]

6. Oh he's getting them out to vote maybe but HRC has more voters. "rigged" sounds like GOP voter

... fraud talk, they have no proof there's voter fraud and Sanders camp has no proof that anything is rigged.

[KittyWampus]

24. It seems sanders' rallies are about 'bread and circus'. IE, spectacle

or entertainment.

[oasis]

74. A great opportunity for a cheap date.

[KittyWampus]

78. Yeah, you can go with a date, have a spectacle going on in an arena AND keep your iphone

glued to Temple Run (I have no idea what the latest hot game to play is, I still like Temple Run).

[oasis]

83. It's not like the'd be hearing anything new.

Maybe a few bored spectators could get a "Rocky Horror Show" type thing going.

[longship]

20. This Bernie supporter says that you are posting hogwash. nt

[uponit7771]

21. So the dem nod does depend on crowd sizes? Really?

[lunamagica]

35. Romney rally in Ohio, just before the election. You think PBO "Rigged" it?

Awesome photos: Romney supporters pack rally in West Chester, Ohio; Crowd estimate: 30,000

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/02/awesome-photos-romney-supporters-pack-rally-in-west-chester-ohio/

[Seeinghope]

42. How many people does Hillary Clinton pack in?

[DrDan]

82. 1147 - 830 - that is all that matters

[Fawke Em]

80. And Romney was the GOP nominee at the time, too...

Bernie's getting that same crowd size despite being ignored by the media, marginalized by corporate Dems and fighting against an institutionalized front runner just FOR the nomination.

I expect any nominee to get big crowds.

[longship]

16. Spin, spin, spin!

[uponit7771]

25. So the dem nod does depend on crowd sizes? Really?

[longship]

31. Crowds at the polls, my good friend.

And in case folks have not figured it out, there are a whole lot of highly Democratic states yet to vote.

I helped deliver my state for Bernie in a huge upset. And those rallies? Those are voters no matter how fast you spin.

And I cannot stand Hillary Clinton. She will get my vote in November if she gets the nod. But, I don't think she can win against any of the GOP candidates. She has little to no strength amongst independents.

Mark my words. Hillary may win the nod, but will likely lose in November.

[Samantha]

50. You are right - Bernie is getting the majority of Independents

and she has figured out a good percentage of Sanders' voters will not be supporting her nomination. So she has taken her hard right in an effort to grab some Republican votes. Good luck with that.

Sam

[ThePhilosopher04]

23. That's why I think there's fraud going on with the vote counting ...

defies logic that a candidate who can barely draw flies to her rallies is really beating someone who routinely draws thousands. Doesn't add up.

[uponit7771]

27. and voter fraud too right??! I mean when your candidate loses its not because the other guys have

... more valid voters :rolleyes:

[ThePhilosopher04]

75. God damn mother fucking right there is fraud ...

and if you don't believe it you are a party to the problem. Pull your fucking head out of your ass.

[lunamagica]

41. Romney supporters pack rally in West Chester, Ohio; Crowd estimate: 30,000

Awesome photos: Romney supporters pack rally in West Chester, Ohio; Crowd estimate: 30,000

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/02/awesome-photos-romney-supporters-pack-rally-in-west-chester-ohio/

[DrDan]

84. adds up to 1147-830

that fact is that only 1 in 5 under 30 voted in the 2014 election - and only 1 in 4 in the last presidential election.

That demographic does not show up at the polls where it matters.

[imagine2015]

36. Right. Hillary is delighted that she can't draw large enthusiastic crowds to her meetings.

LOL

[LibDemAlways]

76. Hillary doesn't spend a lot of time taking her campaign to the 99%. She's

too busy attending fundraisers behind closed doors collecting big money from her wealthy base. I have no idea where all those votes are coming from or how she could possibly be connecting with voters. She offers nothing but the status quo in a year in which voters are itching for change. I suspect because of the media blackout of Bernie, there are Dems out there who think Hillary is the only serious candidate with a D after her name. If there's any enthusiasm for her, I haven't seen it. No bumper stickers. No yard signs. Mention her name and get either an indifferent shrug or a venomous tirade. Not a dream candidate by any means.

[bkkyosemite]

2. Billy boy on his way to Tucson........

I truly believe votes have already been tampered with. But the more could cause their codes a problem.

[Dynamite Dave]

5. Tucson is protected from Clinton's idiocy

It has a piece of my heart in it when I lived there in 2001-2002. Yes, I was living there when 9/11 happened.

Davis-Monthan went Threatcon Delta for the first time.

[amborin]

4. media silent, as usual:

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-seattle-rally-biggest-crowd-yet/

[uponit7771]

7. Cause he's losing and crowd sizes don't win delegates? tia

[synergie]

10. Even people here sharing their rally experiences keep saying how many they've gone to.

It's like they don't quite understand that people who travel around to attend many rallies aren't representative of lots of unique voter or voters. It's sort of the trendy thing to do now with the college set, instead of following bands around, they're following Bernie around.

[uponit7771]

14. Didn't think about that, he has his groupies too...

[Qutzupalotl]

28. and haters.

Just can't let good news about Bernie stand without shitting all over the thread, can you?

[synergie]

65. Um, actually, that's a trait that BS supporters own. Hating the other candidate is what

you guys do. We're not ripping on him, or "shitting" on anything. Just can't let any thing said by your opponent's supporters pass without "shitting" on it, can you guys? When you're not attacking her all over the threads, you're attacking us for daring to opine on something.

Please calm down, and try to clean up your language, there is no need to be so belligerent and so abusive at all times. Try to remember that we tend to agree more than we disagree?

[Qutzupalotl]

68. "I know you are, but what am I?"

That's what we've come to?

Please be more positive. That's what I was saying to uponit when you decided to butt in. Hi.

[KittyWampus]

30. So it isn't Berniebros it's Sanders Fan Bois?

Maybe the campaign is bussing people around.

[amborin]

51. no, tio; even after he won 4 out of 7 primaries, there was total media silence;

it's because he's a threat, tio. a threat to their huge salaries, their amassed wealth; their grip on power; the enormous salaries and bank accounts of the wall street banksters, corporate CEOs, lobbyists, etc. is mind boggling. they don't want anyone messing with it. the system is rigged against me and you and most everyone, except the elite. when is the last time you partied with them?

?itok=1mUqDEIZ

[vintx]

63. Great pic.

The last couple of decades have been very very good to them.

[synergie]

8. Yup, Bernie has a lot of groupies who attend his rallies. They seem like fun and not

as dangerous as those Trump ones, but a lot of people who have several rallies under their belt is not translating to votes. Why is that?

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Yes, people follow him from venue to venue, in hopes that he'll maybe play St. Stephen or Dark Star.

Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Totally.

[synergie]

67. Yes, several of you have posted about how many venues you've been to. Did you forget?

[Warren DeMontague]

77. several of me?

How many of me are there?

[uponit7771]

17. Well all of that is still not helping Sanders, why doesn't he stop?

[amborin]

52. why do you want to deprive me and millions of my right to vote? for the eventual candidate, at that

[bkkyosemite]

32. Tons of groupies...boy the planes must be getting YUUUUGGGEEE profits for thousands of people

jumping from city to city to city..

[Seeinghope]

39. Didn't Jesus have followers? Wasn't his message simple? Be careful leaders have follers

Goodess is simple. Deceit is complicated

[synergie]

66. Doesn't the campaign finance buses to get people from palce to place?

Yup tons of groupies, and the private busing companies may indeed be getting yuuuge profits, after all Bernie is spending lots and lots of money in each state. Yuuuuuuuuuuuuge amounts in every state. Surely some of it is to get his followers to his rallies?

It's kind a weird statement to make on your part, as if people don't already know about how the campaign has been revving up the youth and college vote, since they have the time, interest and passion to go to rallies, if not to ya know, vote and stuff.

[artislife]

70. Wait til Saturday. We are caucusing. nt

[Seeinghope]

38. Well of course not. If it wasn't for Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton wouldn't be viable.

[artislife]

72. There is so much truth in this. nt

[Aerows]

12. If there are no ballots, you can't vote. n/t

[Aerows]

19. This is an example of preventing US citizens from voting.

Call it what you like, but it is some fucked up shit, and excuse my language.

[hrmjustin]

18. It is a caucus so there are no voting machines used.

[Aerows]

22. And a lack of ballots

I care not who you wish to vote for, but denying people the ability to vote over lack of ballots, which has happened in more states and various precincts that can be counted - that is fraud.

[hrmjustin]

26. Well said!

[AzDar]

33. K & R

[lunamagica]

37. Romney supporters pack rally in West Chester, Ohio; Crowd estimate: 30,000 (just before the GE)

Awesome photos: Romney supporters pack rally in West Chester, Ohio; Crowd estimate: 30,000

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/02/awesome-photos-romney-supporters-pack-rally-in-west-chester-ohio/

[Seeinghope]

40. Where is the picture of Hillary Clinton with thousands and thousands of people?

[lunamagica]

44. Irrelevant. I only posted this because of the suggestion that the election is "rigged"

You take the crowds. I'll take the votes, thank you very much

[Seeinghope]

79. Votes that are are not being truthfully reported counted. Remember 2000 Nd 04'

Bill holding up polling stations for up to 4 hours in MA so that voters could not even get a chance to vote.

Good example.

Anything can be done with the votes with the right connections. Not so much when people make the actual effort to come to see their candidate unless their is true support support for the candidate.

[lunamagica]

45. See post #44

[udbcrzy2]

43. And waiting in line for hours

Something just doesn't add up here. Seems a little fishy that she can't get very many people to her rallies and yet she is getting more votes. I think Bernies getting screwed over.

[udbcrzy2]

47. During a primary? n/t

[lunamagica]

48. LOL, talk about grasping at straws.

The point is that is a well known historical fact that crowds aren't a reliable measure for votes. That's the way it is

[udbcrzy2]

49. Seems odd that she can't get anyone to physically come out for her

considering she is getting most of the votes. Still seems fishy because it is.

[lunamagica]

54. No, not fishy at all. The pollong has been consistent with her winning

[udbcrzy2]

55. Are you sure

Are you sure it isn't mostly about name recognition?

How do you feel about supporting a candidate who will be running to the right of Trump?

That does not make me happy

[lunamagica]

60. I'm I sure of what? That she is winning? Yes, I am. "Running at the right of Trump". That is so

absurd, I stopped reading after that.

BTW, you may find this interesting

"Running at the right of Trump". That is so absurd, I stopped reading after that

http://bobmannblog.com/2015/07/20/beware-the-crowdsmanship-does-the-size-of-political-rallies-really-mean-much/

[udbcrzy2]

61. Okay, stop reading

She's for TPP and wants to raise the age on social security. Social security has always been sacred to Democrats and a trade deal like TPP is out of the question. It will destroy us.

I'm mad at DNC for not bringing in better candidates. Look at our congress.

You have a good night.

Nitey nite...

[lunamagica]

62. OK, I apologize. It's that whenever someone says that she's at the right of Trump,

I see red. Sorry


This is from her campaign website: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Do you think this issues are at the right of Trump? (Oh, and a good night to you too)

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[jillan]

56. And in comparison to Obama's rallies Romneys

Were puny. So what is your point?

[RufusTFirefly]

53. Tens of thousands of deluded Americans!

What a waste!
They obviously haven't visited the Hillary Group lately!
Someone needs to set them straight.
It would save them a lot of time.

[nolabels]

57. I thought this was the Hillary group?

[RufusTFirefly]

58. Not yet. But some are attempting to "evolve" it. n/t

[nolabels]

59. I got fourteen years posting on these boards and I'll be dammed if ya'll think im goin to sit back..

let some young wipper-snappers take over round here. Ya'll goin to have a lot of fessen to do later on.





Btw, a lot of us that still hang out here know where those bodies are buried

[MFM008]

64. I fully expect Sanders to win WA

I dont think I can even participate due to foot surgery. But all of my family are voting in Nov for HRC. By the way King 5 news said 16 thousand maybe. Its Sanders last hurrah.

[artislife]

73. Bet your family was sad when Dino Rossi lost, too. nt

[werknotgoin2takeit]

69. I was there

Those that weren't there should not prognosticate. It took 15 minutes to get to the end of the line an hour before doors opened. The arena held 17K but they had to cut off people coming in to allow Bernie to speak, so it was not completely full, but hundreds more on the floor chanting and dancing instead of butts in seats. There was an overflow area that had thousands more outside for those not allowed in. Last hurrah my a**. He is going to take this state big along with idaho oregon and utah. There were lots of volunteers walking the line making sure everyone knew their caucus locations and date and time. Great ground game. It was amazing.

[artislife]

71. Too busy today to go..

I went in August and am already registered for my caucus. Bringing it in Bellevue...those h supporters better beware!

[firebrand80]

81. This thread is full of LOLz

[sufrommich]

85. Yep.nt