If tomorrow's delegate count is 75 - Sanders and 56 - Clinton, IT IS A TIE

[MohRokTah]

Sanders - 75 to Hillary - 56 is status quo for Sanders. That sort of delegate win tomorrow means he keeps pace with 58% of remaining delegates to hit 50% + 1 of the pledged delegates. That delegate count tomorrow is a TIE. IT keeps things exactly where they are in the delegate math

ANYTHING short of that count is a LOSS for Sanders. The reason it is a LOSS is because anything short of a win of that magnitude moves the required percentage of remaining delegates up from 58 %. This is because the number of remaining delegates continues to shrink as delegates are allocated.

That is the math. IT is an undeniable TRUTH!

[BillZBubb]

1. Sure, but the fact that the annointed one is losing primaries this late in the cycle is pathetic.

TRUTH!

[MohRokTah]

3. That's a completely ridiculous assertion.

Hillary Clinton could lose every remaining primary and caucus by large percentages and she would still win. She can aford to do that because of how badly she beat Sanders early on.

TRUTH!!!

[BillZBubb]

7. Sure, tell yourself that.

A nominee going into the general election having lost a good number of the late primaries is not a sign of strength. You've got a weak nominee on your hands.

TRUTH!!!

[MohRokTah]

9. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[DrDan]

16. considering she is leading in delegates, vote count, states, and super-delegates does

not say much for your candidate if SHE is weak, now does it

[Codeine]

43. Psst. Obama lost several states near the end too.

Didn't matter one whit.

[revbones]

55. Isn't the truth that she could only lose by 5%?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought she needed to maintain 45% going forward. If that's try, 5% isn't that large of a percentage.

[Tarc]

11. Really? Do you mean like Obama going 3-6-1 from April-June of 2008?

How'd that end up workin out for him?

[frazzled]

18. Barack Obama lost CA and NY to Clinton late in the cycle in 2008

It didn't change the math. And he was less than 100 delegates ahead at that point. She's more than 300 ahead.

[RandySF]

56. CA was in Feb, 2008.

[geek tragedy]

27. Obama was getting blown out in primaries much later than this in 2008.

He got his butt kicked in Ohio, and in Pennsylvania. Got blown out in West Virginia.

[SFnomad]

28. Yes, it's a totally ridiculous assertion

In 2008, Senator Obama lost 6 of the last 10 primaries/caucuses ... did you think he was pathetic back then? Or is it just another unhinged excuse to hate on Secretary Clinton?

[RandySF]

54. Obama lost later primaries than this.

Like WV in April and PA in May.

[bkkyosemite]

2. So is bolding Truth for emphasis or just another arrow slung at Bernie

[MohRokTah]

4. Its there to point out the truth to those who ignore it constantly. eom

[bkkyosemite]

24. It's not over ...................

[MohRokTah]

25. Really, it is.

All that's left is for those who refuse to believe it is over to accept the reality. There is no way that Sanders can overcome the lead. The current lead Hillary has over him is more than three times the lead Barack Obama had over Hillary at his highest point.

[bkkyosemite]

50. You can decide now but I will decide later K ....K...K...

[Betty Karlson]

5. I'll accept that math.

The public perception may defy the naked calculations, though.

[SidDithers]

6. It really is that simple, isn't it...

Sanders has to consistently gain 58% of the delegates from here on out.

Good post.

Sid

[MohRokTah]

8. And there is no way he will end up with that sort of win tomorrow.

Which will move the bar up.

Heck, he may be able to pick up 58% of the delegates next week if he does well in Washington, but 58% won't cut it any more after tomorrow and a big win next week will still be a big loss because it will again get more difficult and the required percentage will again grow.

[workinclasszero]

10. Whoever has the math on their side wins

Hillary's got it.

Bernie don't.

Game over.

[firebrand80]

12. After the SDs see a moveon.org online petition

They'll flock toward Bernie

[MohRokTah]

13. CLICKY CLICKY WINS THE RACE!

[berni_mccoy]

14. Posts like this are why there will be no unity for Democrats

That's the simple truth.

[MohRokTah]

15. Oh bullshit!

That's about the most childishly silly thing I've seen posted.

[berni_mccoy]

17. Truth hurts don't it? Keep up the divisive posts however...

You're doing a fine job of winning the GE for trump.

[MohRokTah]

19. Because math has a well known Hillary bias.

If pointing out the math is divisive to you, then nothing will help you and your vote is not needed.

For every Bernout on the left who screams they'll sit it out, we'll just have to move to the right to pick somebody up to make up for it.

That's how it works in the real world. When the left sits it out, the world moves to the right.

That's the Nader style bullshit that put us where we are today. So if you want to push everything to the right, keep up your temper tantrum. Otherwise, grow a thicker skin and get on board for the win.

[berni_mccoy]

20. Your "Math" is full of shit

The only fact is that Hillary hasn't won. Will she win? There's a good chance. A better chance than Sander's. But it's not a done deal as you are suggesting in order to disenfranchise those who haven't voted yet and demoralize Sander's supporters. Your post is nothing but divisive drivel and if you honestly believed in truth and the reality of math, you'd delete your post and write an apology in its place.

[MohRokTah]

21. And now you ignore reality.

We don't need your vote. It isn't worth your price for it.

Keep it. We'll pick up an independent who is more conservative.

[berni_mccoy]

22. Seeing through your lame attempt at propaganda is not ignoring reality

The reality you ignore is that everyone here sees through your bullshit.

[MohRokTah]

23. Math is not propaganda. IT is an undeniable truth.

That you deny math makes you silly.

[jcgoldie]

44. Right so

We should keep current vote counts a secret until everyone gets a chance to vote so as not to discourage sensitive Sanders supporters who may stay home in November and let a Nazi win because someone on the internet hurt their feelings. Good argument.

[JonLeibowitz]

51. This is perhaps the most honest post you have ever written, and I am sure you do not realize why.

Since you like these so much,

[onenote]

26. Why doesn't declaring that it is over discourage Clinton supporters from taking the time to vote

If a sporting contest is essentially over before the final gun, a lot of fans of the winning team leave early for their cars.

Pointing out the percentages at play (and percentages matter because Democratic primaries and caucuses allocate delegates proportionately) should be more motivating for those behind than for those ahead. At best it would be a wash.

Case in point: even though the polls indicated that Bernie was going to lose Virginia, I still made the effort to vote for him.

[appal_jack]

48. The Democratic Party had been moving rightward for 30 years before Nader.

I see how you love to blame Nader voters in 2000 and now Bernie voters for the Democratic Party's 4-decade-plus lurch rightward, but that is some weak sauce.

Are Bernie voters the reason Dukakis felt the need to climb into a tank in 1988? How did that macho posturing work out for him?

Are Bernie voters the reason Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal, the Salvage Logging Rider, FCC deregulation, and every other Clintonian Triangulation?

Get real.

-app

[Kentonio]

46. This coming from someone whose idea of a mature post is a stream of lol emoticons..

[MohRokTah]

47. Comedy gold deserves recognition. eom

[revbones]

57. It certainly is childish and silly

to insinuate that childish insulting and antagonistic posts like this thread will hinder unity. Oh wait...

[Darb]

29. Nice threat.

Simple truth.

[KPN]

30. Hillarians are obviously discombobulated ...

by the fact that Bernie is doing what is rightful -- still campaigning and Berners are still Bernin'.

It would actually be kind of hilarious if it weren't offensively arrogant.

If you would all just bite your tongues, you might actually see a lot of Berners' here hold their nose and vote for the anointed one if she wins the nom when the time comes.

What I feel many of you fail to understand is that many Berners here perceive Hillary as someone who feels entitled ... and that her economic positions historically reflect that. While your snide, rub-it-in-your-face, posts may make you feel good, they also serve to fuel our perception and, frankly, dislike of HRC.

Do you want my vote or not?

[MohRokTah]

31. Your assertion is ridiculous. eom

[KPN]

34. Lol!

That's a good one!

For a second there I thought you were proving my point!

[MohRokTah]

35. Your assertion was absurd in its face. eom

[KPN]

36. Okay, think I'll just let you keep arguing with yourself.

Too funny!

[jillan]

32. You want math? Here's a mathematical question. How many candidates

are running to become president while they are being investigated by the FBI?

[MohRokTah]

33. The answer is zero. eom

[JonLeibowitz]

53. Hillary dropped out? Good news for the country!

[Marr]

61. Another math question: If Hillary is on a train leaving New York for Miami

at 100 mph, and another train leaves Miami for New York at 125 mph... how much Goldman Sachs money will Hillary have in her bags?

[RandySF]

58. That is really desperate.

[Land Shark]

37. Reported today Trump needs 55% to secure, reported here Sanders needs 58% HUGE Difference?

So 55% needed makes someone an almost inevitable frontrunner, while 58% needed means "the math just isn't there" or things like that.

Anyway, the Democratic party needs not only the votes of Sanders supporters but also their enthusiasm, but so many think Sanders is down and they are kicking harder than that guy at the Trump rally.

[MohRokTah]

41. It is a MASSIVE difference.

Most Republican primaries and caucuses are winner take all.

All Democratic primaries and caucuses are proportional.

MASSIVE difference.

If Democratic primaries were winner take all I'd be the first to say that Sanders has a damned good shot at it. They are not and he does not.

[Land Shark]

42. Hate to break this to you, 3% is substantial but not massive, and we go to convention regardless

If Sanders let's up in any way, they will just say (does this apply to author of the OP),that lowered vote totals in upcoming caucuses reflect weakness of Sanders and strength for Clinton . So there is no choice, it's not just about Sanders so suspending isn't really an option.

[MohRokTah]

45. You don't seem to understand how this works.

Republican primaries and Democratic primaries are two different things run under different rules. Democratic primaries are nearly direct proportional awarding of delegates whereas the majority of Republican primaries are winner take all and those with proportional awarding in a three person race will usually award the candidate with 40% of the vote who wins more than 60% of the delegates.

Donald Trump needs no more than 36% of the vote in the remaining primaries to achieve the 55% delegates standard whereas Sanders requires a minimum of 58% of the vote in the remaining to achieve the 58% delegates standard.

IF you cannot see the massive difference, then I recommend a remedial mathematics course.

[BainsBane]

38. The Times calculus is that he needs 62% of delegates from here on out

and they aren't counting superdelegates. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/16/upshot/clinton-sanders-democratic-delegate-lead.html?action=click&contentCollection=Election%202016&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia

[MohRokTah]

39. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Sanders

They are assuming how some remaining March 15 delegates are to be allocated while I give Sanders the benefit of the doubt.

[BainsBane]

49. Ah, ok. nt

[phleshdef]

40. I'm sorry, the only words that are readable in your post is TIE, ANYTHING, LOSS and TRUTH.

You should have used more capitalization and bolding. Otherwise you just aren't getting your nagging point across.

[grasswire]

52. Bernie's big mo....

....may have super delegates begging to jump ship for him. Who wants to stick with an anemic loser?

[hellofromreddit]

59. You are wrong

We are casting our votes for Sanders because he represents the platform we wish to support. Every inch of headway his campaign has made and continues to make strengthens that platform and gets us closer to our goal. Nothing worth doing is done in a single shot, and if this takes years then it simply takes years.

There is no loss.

Your volume of posts does not change that.

[Iliyah]

60. Maybe in your viewpoint, but, as life proceeds, many in that point in time

or reality viewpoint can change, and therefore is a loss.

Therefore, for generations, you must teach children to think and learn like what you want them to believe. This is not Democracy. Difference of opinions is. The strength of democracy is that people, at least majority of them believe in it.

[SunSeeker]

62. K & R