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Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:12 PM

Why are Millennial women so in love with Bernie?

Or, should that be, Why is Hillary having such a hard time attracting Millennial women?

Sanders now leads Clinton among younger voters by 54%-37%, an even bigger advantage than the 11-point edge he held in January's survey. Millennial women now back Sanders by a jaw-dropping 61%-30% while the divide among Millennial men is much closer, 48%-44%.

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The online survey, taken by Ipsos March 3-10, polled 1,541 adults ages 18 to 34.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/14/poll-millennials-clinton-sanders-trump-president/81612520/

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Reply Why are Millennial women so in love with Bernie? (Original post)
TheDormouse Mar 2016 OP
Doctor_J Mar 2016 #1
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #5
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #50
JaneyVee Mar 2016 #2
Dawgs Mar 2016 #9
Jitter65 Mar 2016 #79
JackRiddler Mar 2016 #108
Amaril Mar 2016 #137
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #14
Name removed Mar 2016 #17
PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #3
dogman Mar 2016 #4
frazzled Mar 2016 #6
djean111 Mar 2016 #13
frazzled Mar 2016 #26
djean111 Mar 2016 #32
questionseverything Mar 2016 #151
djean111 Mar 2016 #155
Ash_F Mar 2016 #90
Armstead Mar 2016 #127
2banon Mar 2016 #143
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #34
2banon Mar 2016 #142
noamnety Mar 2016 #46
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #49
Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #83
libdem4life Mar 2016 #85
Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #96
VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #124
arcane1 Mar 2016 #102
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dana_b Mar 2016 #152
nashville_brook Mar 2016 #154
farleftlib Mar 2016 #156
djean111 Mar 2016 #7
riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #8
Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #10
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #18
dogman Mar 2016 #23
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #31
Fawke Em Mar 2016 #39
Armstead Mar 2016 #128
Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #52
Doctor_J Mar 2016 #60
Zorra Mar 2016 #11
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #19
djean111 Mar 2016 #37
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cosmicone Mar 2016 #104
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TheDormouse Mar 2016 #145
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Faux pas Mar 2016 #35
geek tragedy Mar 2016 #47
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astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #48
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JackRiddler Mar 2016 #71
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TheDormouse Mar 2016 #144
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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:14 PM

1. It's possible they want their tax dollars spent on healthcare instead of more war

 

just a wild guess.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:17 PM

5. good point nt

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:47 PM

50. General fed-up-ness with an untenable status quo?

 

Seems a general pattern of grave concern with voters my age, of either gender.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:14 PM

2. Depends which millennial women...

 

Hillary won black millennials 64-35

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:19 PM

9. ALL millennial women. n/t

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

79. Sorry, not ALL millennial women are for Bernie.

 

I think G. Steinem said it best. Like it or not. I know several millennial women and their vote is where their hearts are.

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #79)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:56 PM

108. just wow

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #79)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:37 AM

137. Steinem's comment was pure bullshit

Steinem was NOT correct in her insulting & dismissive comment about young women -- she has retracted it, by the way -- so you should seriously consider self-deleting. Ageism -- whether it is against the young or the old -- is a cheap, unimaginative shot.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

14. link, please? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:16 PM

3. Everyone loves Bernie. *

 

* not including repukes, neoliberals, and other supporters of corporo-fascism.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:17 PM

4. Those I know are against war for their children and grand children.

Reason enough for many.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:18 PM

6. Because they're still rebelling against their mothers?

And Hillary represents the mother surrogate to them. I'm kind of serious here. I didn't fully embrace how wise and supportive my mother was until I was almost 40. Up to that time, I wanted nothing more than to be "not her." After that (and after I had children of my own), I wanted to find how I could be more like her, in many ways.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:23 PM

13. Oh, please.......

 

you don't think that, perhaps, they don't like someone who is for war and fracking and the TPP, etc.?

You cannot give women that much credit, that they have looked at the respective platforms? That, IMO, is very sadly sexist.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:31 PM

26. No, I really don't.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:35 PM

32. That is so sad. Almost contemptuous, really, to think that some ten-cent psychology is the answer,

 

and not the pretty much diametrical platforms. That young women would be all for war and cluster bombs and fracking if Hillary was a guy. Good grief.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:19 PM

151. fracking alone should turn all voters off of hc

once the clean water is gone we are screwed

not to mention the earthquakes they cause

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #151)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:31 PM

155. Oh, I know - it is, really, kind of bizarre, the expectation that we should ignore things like

 

fracking. And war. To expect the gender card to trump those things is pathetic. IMO and all that.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:49 PM

90. That is very condescending. /nt

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Response to frazzled (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:19 AM

127. People do have brains bvefore they reach the age of 40...Even women, believe it ot not

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:21 PM

143. Well I'm over 65, and my soon to be 45 year old daughter are ardent Bernie supporters.

 

That's cuz we don't buy into identity politics and we don't buy into patronizing/condescending/offensive HRC campaign edicts on voting with our vaginas instead of our brains.

We remember Margaret Thatcher, and We are reminded everyday of HRC's Iraq vote, her anti-same sex marriage speeches, and yeah, we are not impressed with her economic policies, and we really feare her Neo Con foreign policies.

So, there's that..

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

34. Hillary would be their grandmother.

I'm a Gen-Xer and Hillary is my mother's age.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:10 PM

142. sorry, I responded to wrong post, :( self deleting.

 

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:45 PM

46. Offensive sexist drivel.

 

Think about how that would sound if you tried swapping gender for race and gave us similar swill for explaining why they are generally voting a certain way.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:47 PM

49. perhaps they know Bernie is a better candidate

for their futures, and some of their mothers' agree.

"when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better." Occam's Razor

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:38 PM

83. Or ... Hillary is just wrong on issues that are important to them.

 

Yeah, that makes more sense than your jumbled pseudopsychology.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:49 PM

85. This is an insult to all women. Perfect example of the problem.

 

Like the Bernie Bros ... young girls rebelling. Good lord. The text softens the title a bit.

I left home at 17 and moved to the West Coast...from the Midwest. That's how I felt about my mother. I saw clearly even then that it was all about me and what I did for myself.

She was certainly flawed. One of the best decisions I ever made. Every single relationship is unique and trying to assign generational or even gender behavior is seriously inaccurate.

I loved and supported her until she passed at 94.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:31 PM

96. I was guessing how many posts, before the truly insulting shit started.

Six. Pretty much what I figured

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #96)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:54 AM

124. You have a lot less faith in this site than I do. Or maybe I'm still too optimistic. nt

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:49 PM

102. You must have a very low opinion of young women.

 

Are they not allowed to think for themselves?

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:08 AM

122. What a disgusting, offensive post.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

152. oh please...

I'm a Gen Xer and my mom is long gone. Hillary is NOTHING like my mom (thankfully).

Bernie is just a GREAT candidate.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:25 PM

154. wow, that's either the lamest or most offensive political argument i've ever seen.

also, it's my new favorite drinking game. misapplying bygone psychological fables to the political zeitgeist! it's fun for the whole family!

guys who don't like John McCain have an Oedipal complex, and secretly want to sleep with his wife.

OR! here's one -- you could misapply Electra to Bill-Hillary! Maybe women who don't like Hillary secretly want to erase her b/c they really desire Bill.

then there's the whole Jungian universe! omg, you're really on to something here. this could fuel months of mirthful drinking.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:32 PM

156. No. People don't take their mommy issues to the polls

 

What an insulting and creepy thing to say about young women. Millions of them.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:18 PM

7. Because they love what he stands for, and are not paying any attention to gender?

 

Inconvenient for Hillary, eh?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:18 PM

8. Gloria Steinem already told us, it's because that's where the boys are nt

 



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:22 PM

10. lol I will not likely ever forget that one. n/t

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:25 PM

18. lol - except that there's a huge gender gap! check the numbers nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:28 PM

23. More of an age gap. n/t

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Response to dogman (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:35 PM

31. Millennial women 61-30%, Millennial men 48-44% —that's a GENDER gap nt

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:39 PM

39. ;)

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:21 AM

128. LOL

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:48 PM

52. Steinem destroyed all her credibility with that sex-shaming nonsense.

 

She should be deeply ashamed. As should Albright for her afterlife predictions.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:59 PM

60. Heh. In a few years when I'm burning in hell, there will be lots of smart and pretty millenium

 

women there to keep me company

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:23 PM

11. One reason is that he's a good guy. Another is that his policies are exactly what moms and kids

need in order to have any kind of future.

Every parent wants the best future possible for their children.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:26 PM

19. Why aren't older women (who also worry abt moms & kids) getting it? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

37. I am just now 70, and I, and my sister, and our friends got it immediately. Never a doubt.

 

And we both supported and voted for Hillary (in Florida) in 2008. We have now done our due diligence. Bernie wins. Records and deeds matter, not gender.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:51 PM

56. It's not the older women, it's the old women. The ones who gave up, sold out,

and grew old because of their overwhelming fear of change.

Sandersistas never get old.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:45 PM

157. !! Love it !! New fountain of youth

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:23 PM

12. I think it has something to do with recognizing corruption in politics and a strong desire to

move the hell away from it...and war too.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

15. Two words

 

Free tuition

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:27 PM

21. lol nt

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

36. Yes--Two critically important words--"Free Tuition"!

I went to a public university for a reasonable, manageable fee. Those days are long gone but the Millennials have heard all about those days from their Boomer parents --MANY WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM as they struggle to pay! It's hurting a lot of people. And there is no good reason for it, except that student loans are a huge cash cow. It's a scam.

Obviously if you would even bring this up as a big negative means you have NO Idea!

Let them eat cake....

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:38 PM

38. It is a false hope presented by Bernie Sanders

 

How is he going to deliver on that unicorn?

Some people call it pandering.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:40 PM

40. It's only a false hope if we don't win.

Hillary plans to means test everything from college to Social Security, which turns them into hand-outs, which turns that into "things Republicans will cut coz it's only for the poor."

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:43 PM

44. It is a false hope, PERIOD.

 

There is ZERO chance that free tuition will be approved by voters except millennials.

To give an example -- free food and shelter will have near 100% support in a cohort of homeless people. It will have far less support in a group of people who have to pay for it. It is that simple.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #44)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:17 PM

74. funny how that same logic is never applied to

 

- wars
- corporate welfare
- tax cuts for rich people

Nobody has any problem paying for those, do they?

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #74)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:34 PM

81. It is sad

 

However, you should realize that wars and corporations employ millions of people who also vote.

Seeing things as black or white with a doctrine of a zero-sum game is what ails the ultra-liberals.

Every problem is multi-faceted, multi-factorial and every decision has winners and losers playing a tug of war.

Sanders did vote for the F-35 fighter jets didn't he? Were those trillion dollars really necessary to be spent?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #81)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:26 AM

136. Wars employ people

true and truly sad. There must be a better way to provide employment that does't involve death and destruction!

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #74)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:35 PM

82. or free elementary school & high school tuition nt

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #74)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:40 AM

138. Bingo!

So very true. Welcome to DU

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:41 PM

42. Um, the same way they do in places like Germany? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:47 PM

51. We are not Germany.

 

Germany doesn't have universities of the caliber of the US.
Germany doesn't pay its faculty even 50% of what we pay.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:49 PM

55. Then maybe we're doing it wrong? nt

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:10 PM

67. Maybe you are not Germany, and you certainly know little about it.

 

First of all, you and I may both be American, but we are not "we." Don't you speak for me with your appallingly ignorant statement. Do you even have a clue about the United States?

Today 2/3 of faculty here are adjuncts and they make SHIT and if they lose their jobs they are FUCKED.

In Germany, faculty are paid by the BAT scale which provides good compensation. There is plenty of exploitation of precarious academic labor but you know what? If they lose their jobs they are not FUCKED because they have a real social safety net (still, despite the adoption of some Clintonian social politics).

Germany produces world-leading research in every field. Germany is close to producing enough power by wind and solar to cover the country's needs.

The German population as a whole is astonishingly well educated. An Abitur is already on the typical level of a BA at most U.S. institutions. And they know all about the U.S., they can speak the language. Can you speak German? Do you know anything about Germany? For shame!

All that being said, the difference is not primarily some essential cultural thing. They just have a better plan for their citizens and they stick to it.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #67)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:52 PM

104. Ja wirklich?

 

Diejenigen, die behaupten, mit Autorität zu sprechen sind in der Regel die Unwissenden.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #104)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:54 PM

106. Na, kannst du googeln Alter?

 

Beeindruckt bin ich nicht. Du sprichst unsinn und falls Du wirklich deutsch kannst, weiss du es selber.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:00 PM

86. ignorant statement

You might want to rethink that one.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #86)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:54 PM

107. Shockingly so.

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:49 PM

54. a false hope that used to exist in this country eom

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:55 PM

57. Lot of false hopes exist in a given country

 

That doesn't mean they are embraced by all the voters.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #57)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:50 PM

91. remain defeated then

if we did it before the neos, we can do it again, once they are ousted. it took years to get here, and it may take years to get there.
here's to false hopes: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027702615

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #91)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:53 PM

105. Meh ... n/t

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:57 PM

59. Easily doable

Economist Robert Reich has been talking about it for years. This is a fairly recent article that refers to Sanders:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/video_how_to_reinvent_education_to_save_the_economy_20150523

(People who call it pandering haven't done even the slightest bit of research, and I can't really blame "low info" voters for being skeptical--the corporate media does nothing but sneer).

Here is another good article--how the American student loan debt exceeds the national GDP of Australia, New Zealand and Ireland. It is an indicator of American greed and a national shame:

http://qz.com/346342/american-student-loan-debt-has-surpassed-the-gdp-of-australia-new-zealand-and-ireland-combined/

Just look at the graph at that link.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #59)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:10 PM

66. It is not a popular measure except in the millennial crowd

 

The voting patterns show that.

When asked, "would you like to have a unicornish sparklepony?" 70% will say yes.

When asked, "would you pay for a unicornish sparklepony?" - 70% say no.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:15 PM

72. Disagree

Many Boomers and Gen X I know are on board. The issue is real and must be not be ignored and treated with sarcasm. That disrespects a lot of young people AND their parents.

If you want the country to succeed in moving toward democracy instead of oligarchy (which is where we are now)--you will not make fun of these serious concerns.

People are waking up.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #72)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:48 PM

101. In other words

 

People who would directly benefit from a handout are all for it. Amazing!

If "people are waking up", why is Sanders losing by landslides?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #101)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:20 PM

110. Sanders has made phenomenal progress

against tremendous odds--if you call that "losing" --then OK, go ahead. Nevertheless his campaign has impressed a lot of people. It's an amazing success story, no matter if Hillary edges it out (she is the choice of the moneyed class--Third Way Dems as well as corp Republicons). I think you know that. If it was a sports team the media would be calling him and his team winners, regardless of the the final score.

Of course people are looking for benefits in a system that works against them. I can't see anything wrong with that. About time for Americans to realize how much they are being exploited.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #110)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:48 PM

113. I have no problem with giving credit to Bernie

 

for bringing new issues into the campaign, championing them and making a lot of people aware.

However, the truth is that his message did not resonate with voters. I wouldn't call him a "loser" but I'd certainly call Hillary a winner.

If this were a sports team, Bernie came in second in scoring -- if that pleases you.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #113)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:58 PM

116. Oh yes, his message resonates with voters

and would even more if he were to get the nomination.

That's what the entrenched corporates fear. They might have to begin to share some of their ill-gotten wealth. They don't think they should of course, because America to them, is just another country to exploit.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #116)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:00 PM

118. Now we are leaving the jursdiction of reality ...

 

Bernie has no chance to get the nomination and about 2 million more voters liked Hillary's message over Bernie's. Those are facts.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #118)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:13 PM

119. Yes--let's leave reality, good idea

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #119)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:04 PM

159. that video is a hoot! I watched all 5:35 minutes of it. My day is much better

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Response to bbgrunt (Reply #159)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:10 PM

160. Glad


Yeah I'm gonna keep it around for those days when you need an antidote

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #66)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:27 PM

93. "Would you pay for a ..." -- that applies to ANY policy proposal nt

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:05 PM

63. Please stop using that violent stabbing imagery & words.

You are contributing to a dangerously violent political atmosphere.

Please don't do this!

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:02 PM

87. ^^^

I also hate that member's avatar with the hand gun in it.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:49 PM

103. "Stick a fork in it, it is done"

 

Is a part of colloquial euphemism since the invention of cooking.

Nothing violent about it.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #103)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:53 AM

120. The cartoon is NOT FUNNY! You're saying it's Bernie Sanders.

The turkey in the cartoon is ALIVE. Its eyes are open. It is a cruel image. But worst of all, you are saying that that is what you want to do to Bernie Sanders! "Stick a fork in him!"

So, if somebody DOES that--sticks a fork in him, sticks a knife in him, shoots him--to make him "DONE"--will that satisfy you?

Your avatar encourages violence. There is everything violent about it, from the words to the image, to the plain and obvious meaning that it is Bernie Sanders on the plate getting stabbed alive. It is all about violence.

It is a vile political statement, wanting the candidate of millions of people to be cooked, stuck with a fork and dead. And it is completely undeserved. What has he ever said or done to earn such ugly wrath?

But, frankly, I wouldn't approve of it even if it were Trump, or, back in the day, Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld, much as I would have liked to see them in chains emptying bed pans in a Veterans Hospital for the rest of their lives.

I don't consign even vile political opponents to death--even people guilty of mass murder.

I, and millions of others my age, have been traumatized by political assassinations. The current atmosphere of violent, abusive political language, bullying and violence itself is very like those times, only worse. It is now overt, and not just hidden away in back alleys in vile cartoons in vile pamphlets. Think of the unhinged young people committing mass murder right in our midst--in our schools, in theaters. And you don't think that kind of unhinged violence couldn't hit a political candidate or even a candidate's supporters? You DON'T KNOW what might trigger it. You DON'T KNOW.

Please, drop this violent image.

It's the kind of thing you could say in a private conversation and it might not be so offensive in that context. But it's not a thing you should say in a PUBLIC forum, let alone on the internet where it can be seen by random millions. It is barely distinguishable from gleefully, ghoulishly wishing Bernie Sanders dead. And YOU DON'T KNOW who will interpret it that way, in what unhinged manner.

You. Don't. Know.



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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #120)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:51 AM

123. Please look up the word "metaphor"

 

Metaphors compare two distinct concepts -- a tenor and a vehicle. The turkey is simply a vehicle. The ONLY similarity is in the state of "being done" -- any other comparisons are not relevant to the metaphor. No human is being stabbed with a fork. No human has plumage. No human has been plucked. No human has talons. No human has been served on a platter.

I am not wishing death on anyone and I doubt anyone would wish it on this board.

I have the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders and his positions on issues. I want him in the senate fighting for those things till he retires.

It is just a metaphor - maybe more dramatic than some people's taste but it is NOT any more violent than Thanksgiving.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:09 PM

109. It's a cartoon turkey.

I can see how you can find it offensive, but to say it's contributing to a dangerous and violent political atmosphere is kind of out there.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:41 PM

43. One word: Corruption, they can recognize it..some don't. n/t

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:25 PM

16. Because he promised them free college. I've heard it from them over, and over again. eom

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:27 PM

20. for the same reason he won abroad

They don't watch the news, they read the internet and make up their own minds.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:27 PM

22. They want in on the economic miracle...and as things stand now,

 

they don't count. They get to enslave themselves for decades with student debt for a maybe job.

They are not stupid. I think the gender thing is not a big factor in their minds. They didn't have to live through the decades of achieving some measure of equality for women. Yes, it's better, but is still lacking.

In the end, he's their only hope.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:31 PM

27. But Hillary says she will seek debt-free college. (And why aren't Millennial men responding

the same way, if college tuition and debt explains it? Why's there such a large gender gap among Millennials?)

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:45 PM

45. HRC "seeking" is, IMO, similar to "listening" Neither even imply action.

 

Perhaps a thoughtful nod.

To the shock of many, the current plight for women is not equal to the plight for men...regardless of generation. Newsflash...there is still pay disparity, significant in certain demographics.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:12 PM

70. "Hillary says" - is pretty much worthless, you know.

 

She started out saying no, because why should Trump's kids get free college.

Maybe, just maybe, trying to sort things out by age and gender is getting useless - since we all have access to the same information now, and there is so much more information to be had. The days of getting information from newspapers with favoritism, carefully staged TV, and shiny mailers is over. We all are on the internet - although I would bet that Bernie's supporters are more so, and that may be making the difference.

It seems to me that, in this election cycle, more time is spent in building boxes to shove voters into - like age and race and gender - and then a lot more effort is expended in trying to figure out why those silly voters just won't get into the boxes that have been built for them. Food for thought.

I don't think Bernie deliberately sought any "demographics" - the people just gravitated to his platform. And stayed.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:28 PM

24. I wonder if the Monica Lewinsky scandal has anything to do with this; Older women

lived through it and will never forget it.

Millennials didn't.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:55 AM

140. No!

I am very slightly younger than HRC and also lived through a spouse's infidelity (though not publically).

That said, while she had/has my sympathy and understanding for with what she endured personally, she lost my vote ages ago because of her support for war and regime change, her populist words versus her third way policies, and her craven nastiness in both the 2008 and 2016 primary campaigns.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:31 PM

25. I have few female friends who are supporting Bernie, and they say...

 

that they don't mind Hillary, but they just like Bernie better. It really seems to be a peer group thing, because it people I know all tend to like the candidates their friends support. The same for me...my whole friend circle (we're in college) all like Hillary.

I do have one friend from high school (now a college junior in California) who doesn't like Hillary because "Benghazi" and "all those things she did in the 90s." No specifics given. From this, I assume that the repub smear campaign has worked on some people who don't bother checking the facts. She is dating a huge Bernie supporter, so that may be another reason she doesn't like Hillary.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:33 PM

28. Millenial women are not so gender oriented. They see people as people.

Bernie just happens to be a person who represents their views on our society and the future. There's no 'winning' them over by trying to guilt them into voting for a woman; there's no way to convince them that Hillary is honest.


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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:34 PM

30. it's the hair

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:36 PM

33. It is simple (as most things are, part two): because of the candidate and his message.

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:40 PM

41. but the question is why are men vs women responding to those differently? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:57 PM

58. Simple. Pay equity has not yet arrived...better, but not by a lot.

 

And to the many who just want to sit on their hands and let the corporations ccontinue their plunder... because of course it is Unrealistic To Do Anything...I suggest a Zen quote. "The journey of 10,000 miles begins with one step."

Bernie's looking ahead...beyond the scraps they've been offered...and asking that the entire culture take that first (real) step. Obviously, he's a Dreamer to the Older and Wiser...they already got theirs.

I'm an early Boomer and I got a free college education from 2 years community college then 2 years from a private University, as I lived in California before Reagan gutted the California system then continued the assault on the entire country. My NDEA loans were decreased by 20% each year I taught school. Then I owed nothing. I did pay for my fifth year...but by that time I was working.

Young women still occupy the lower rung.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:50 AM

139. Generally, women can detect phony-ness and

manipulation in other women better than men can

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Response to Carolina (Reply #139)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:36 PM

145. so, are u saying they lose that ability after age 30 or so? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #145)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

153. Not at all

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

35. He speaks truth to power

that's why is old boomer woman loves him!

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:45 PM

47. i"m surprised that the milennial men figure is so close--that's the curious figure nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:49 PM

53. I agree nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:46 PM

48. In my peer group few are buying it

From an almost millennial: I am against interventionist policies especially seeing how much money is made from them, despise corporate welfare and money hoarding, see $15 as a living wage, believe in the necessity of a trained work force, think that the industrial prison complex is absurd, and that we need to do more to keep the planet clean like not fracking.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:59 PM

61. "Hillary is boring"

The youngest told me a few months ago.

"I didn't think Bernie could win" she said to me this past Thursday.

She taunts her mother for voting for Hillary.

Oldest is deeply into gender issues, she also likes Bernie.

They don't say why, I think they're influenced by their peers on tumblr and FB. I say this because they have never articulated any particular reasons other than Hillary seems "old" and Bernie doesn't, which is kind of funny actually, though I agree that Bernie is far more youthful in his mannerisms and approach to issues.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:01 PM

62. Hillary Clinton (and her and Bill together) represent an earlier ideal

 

that just doesn't naturally resonate with young people or young women. Hillary as the perfectly accomplished Boomer woman and Bill and Hillary as the perfect Boomer power couple just doesn't naturally click with younger people.

While the Bernie, Corbyn and other reactionary-left (I mean that only as a description) and seizing on the discontent found among young people in the west.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:06 PM

64. Theory: Young people are not "in love with Bernie," they just...

 

know politics well enough to understand their own interests, and to distinguish right from wrong. And (perhaps) they have not experienced enough of the meanness and defeatism imparted by the system to be bitter and lost and to settle for something opposite to what they and their times demand.

It's not about Bernie, it's about the message.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:09 PM

65. Occupy Wall Street

 

They had OWS as part of their coming of age experience and take it more for granted that Wall Street = corruption, whereas many older people even on DU are SHOCKED at the idea that Wall Street might be expecting something in return for their money.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #65)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:11 PM

68. nobody gives a fuck about occupy wallstreet

 

except for the republican provocateurs who created it.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:14 PM

71. Wow. That theory is definitely worthy...

 

of Republican governors. Especially among their voters. Except they'd say "Soros" or "liberal elites," but it's the same form of thinking.

And last I looked, Zuccotti Park was in the jurisdiction of one Andrew Cuomo. It's about time somebody recognized that he's a Republican.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #71)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:27 PM

77. What can I say, I find it a little suspicious

 

That before major elections that there is a tendency for wildly ineffectual left-wing groups to emerge that play to all the right-wing's favorite "dirty hippy" and "ungrateful student" memes of the 1970's that also coincidentally enough devote much of their energy to attacking Democrats.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #77)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:30 PM

78. September 2011 was "before a major election"?

 

By that standard NOTHING is not before a major election!

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #78)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:07 PM

88. It's okay, I had forgotten about Mitt Romney too.

 

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:16 PM

73. Republican provocateurs?!?









Because there are no words.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #73)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:51 PM

115. because you honestly believe that progressive millennials...

 

completely independently decided that they were going to rehabilitate the right-wing's favorite leftist stereotypes from the Nixon era, which conveniently enough plays perfectly to the "silent majority" and their fears of social chaos.

I believe most of the participants in "Occupy" and the current "Social Justice Warrior" phenomenon are or were well-meaning useful idiots who are being used to advance the Republican narrative.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #115)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:01 AM

125. Anything to stick your head in the sand and ignore the winds of change, huh?

/bye.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #115)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:11 PM

150. And the agitator Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a commie spy, sent here on Kruschev's orders

to incite riots and overturn the rightful God ordained Great Straight White Patriarchal Establishment of the Oligarchs, right?




I have been with Occupy from the beginning, am so old I protested Vietnam, protested the WTO in Seattle, protested the Iraq War, and I'm here to tell you, from firsthand experience, that your McCarthy-like beliefs with regard to Occupy and the struggle for social and justice are bizarre fantasies arising from your imagination, fantasies that have absolutely no basis in fact, or reality.

And I'll tell you something about millennials. They are shockingly perceptive, smart, compassionate, and informed, and I am proud to have stood alongside them at Occupy actions.

If you have any tangible evidence for your allegations, please post it.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #73)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:27 AM

135. Wait, did you actually not know about the Madison Avenue ad agency that came up with it?

Seriously? That's kind of touching.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:11 PM

69. I think younger women trust Bernie because he reminds them of their grandpa.

Grandpa was someone they could generally trust and admire, who was kind and honest, who looked out for their welfare and encouraged them. I know, some people are going to argue that view, but for the most part, I think grandpas are trustworthy and comfortable to know.

These millennials are very suspicious of those in power and rightfully so. I'm by far no millennial, but I'm certainly distrustful of 80% of politicians...particularly Republicans and wealthy congresscritters. How did they become so wealthy in such a short time?

The revolution has come about due to dishonesty, greed and neglect of the people. Millennials will have to live under environmental conditions formed in the recent past as well as the near future. Older politicians, who will make decisions on the environment, will be long gone when the s*it hits the fan, so to speak. Can't make it any plainer than that. McConnell and his ilk can scoff at critical environmental solutions all they want, but then they aren't the ones who will eventually have to deal with the conditions we know are coming. The dollar$ they put in their pockets at this time probably won't be spent by them before they hit the sod box, so why are they so determined to undermine any progress on ecological improvements? Power is why those selfish, stubborn old farts have turned millennials away while they fattened their bank accounts. Bernie stands out like a positive light at the end of the tunnel and they trust he will do what he says. The trouble is, will the old selfish, stubborn congressmen let him succeed, or will they treat him like they have Obama and obstruct his plans?

Don't complain because I didn't include women in my rant, but it's the men who are the most vocal on the environment and I was comparing them to Bernie.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #69)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:23 PM

76. Why doesn't Hillary remind them of their grandma--aren't they trustworthy, too? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #76)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:33 PM

98. I believe the original post was in regard to millennial women and Bernie. eom

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #98)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:40 PM

99. it was--so my question is why is Bernie getting more of a benefit from that perception

than Hillary is. If Bernie reminds Millennial women of their grandpas, doesn't Hillary remind them of their grandmas? Aren't grandmas regarded just as positively, if not more so, than grandpas?

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #99)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:45 PM

100. Hillary does not always come across as grandmotherly to some people, including me.

I am a great-grandmother and my grandchildren (10) are watching Hillary very closely. They feel she is harsh and brassy when she speaks. Sorry, but that's the way it comes down for them. Being serious Democrats, they will vote for her, but they won't like it.

This great-grandmother will follow suit.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #76)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:58 PM

117. I'll preface my reply

 

by saying I think the grandpa/grandma reason for voting for someone is crap.

and I'll add that gosh, it's so hard to walk away from that bait ... what could be the reason that Hillary doesn't remind people of their trustworthy relatives?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:23 PM

75. The millennial women I know

 

Are aware of the differences between our candidates on issues affecting not just women (on which he is better anyway) but also families, children, the planet, etc.

Bernie lives by the principles that millennials have been taught are important, despite the 'grown ups' failing to live by those principles even as they gave lip service to them.

Furthermore, Bernie's record on animal welfare is something many millennial feminists have noticed.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #80)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:46 PM

89. yes

And I personally believe that parents and grandparents ought to be voting with the future for their offspring in mind. Listen to the next generation. Support who THEY support. It's their future. We should not impose our past on them.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #80)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:33 PM

97. Crazy talk! Why, Thats like saying the macarena isnt hip anymore!

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:40 PM

84. Bernie has much better stands on the issues, and he's not a phony.

 

Hillary is just a Republican dressed in Democratic clothing, and she's phony as hell. They can sniff that out. This generation is much more savvy to lies and propaganda, which also explains why it is a much less religious generation.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:02 PM

92. A few more snips worth adding ...

snips/

In the new poll, one in five Millennials say they would just stay home on Election Day. That's a signal that, if she wins the nomination, Clinton may well need Sanders' help to energize younger voters.

Indeed, among Millennials Clinton loses the strong advantage among African-American voters generally that has helped her sweep Southern contests. Whites support Sanders by 54%-37%. Blacks support him by a bit more, 56%-37%, and Hispanics by nearly as wide a margin, 53%-40%.

And the dumbest, by far, statement on the link:

Trump supporters are much less likely to value governmental experience and much more likely to say the ideal president would have strong experience outside government.

"If he were put in office, he would be able to straighten out the economy and climate change and fix global warming," Ashley Yago, 33, of Greeley, Colo., said of Trump in a follow-up interview.


Oh sweet baby jeebus. Ashley thinks Trump, TRUMP!, will straighten out climate change and global warming.
I'm gonna go sit in a corner and cry. Or throw up. Or something.


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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:28 PM

94. Bernie

That's a signal that, if she wins the nomination, Clinton may well need Sanders' help to energize younger voters.

No need for concern here because we'll be looking at President Sanders anyway.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:30 PM

95. For the same reason that a lot of Boomer women are?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:23 PM

111. They know he's on their side and she isn't (unless they're rich).

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:46 PM

112. Bernie's Promises

It's brilliant scheme really- making promises to a segment of the electorate that he knows he can't make good on. It's a great vote getter and if he's nominated he can blame Congress for not delivering. Brilliant.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:48 PM

114. Forbidden Fruit syndrome. He's happily married and so those lusty vixens pounce

I've got to stop reading those online vintage pulp novels

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Response to Bucky (Reply #114)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:04 AM

121. LOL - I love Bernie, but the thought of him doing a "Fabio" book cover . . .

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:15 AM

126. Perhaps they have built-in lie detectors.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:32 AM

129. An honest politician is hard to find. Everyone should love him. nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:54 AM

130. Millenial women do not. It's an online survey, and as we all know now those are

 

"hammered" by BS supporters.

Why is no one asking why Bernie is having such a hard time attracting any group in large numbers other than millennial white males?

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Response to synergie (Reply #130)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:04 AM

132. Actually, voting statistics bear it out as well.

 

Hillary consistently loses younger women to Sanders in equal or greater margins as she loses younger men; just as the online survey suggests.

Sanders is having a great time attracting millennials across the board...he also does well with voters pretty much up to the age of 40, particularly with males (regardless of race) and white people. (regardless of gender.)

In fact, Hillary's bulwark has been black women over the age of 40...if she only did as well with that grouping as she does overall...this race would be reversed and Sanders would be entering the phase where he runs away with it.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #132)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:19 AM

133. That they're in "love" with Bernie? Not so much. He does consistently better in the

 

college aged and younger crowd, when they start getting a bit older, with families and out in the work force, they tend to go Hillary.

I think the definition of what "millennials" are is getting in the way. The way it's defined both a kid and their parent could fit.

She's doing pretty well with black women and men under 40 as well.

I think it has more to do with the style of the campaign right now, he's more exciting, and he's offering stuff that they think they'll get immediately. Like the Free College thing, sounds great for those who are just realizing how big their loans are, though he won't be delivering it for them. (They'll still have loans to pay back no matter what, their younger sibs perhaps might benefit, if everything worked out, like say, if the RNC had a bad bout of food poisoning or some such calamity at their convention) and a whole new Democratic Congress got magically elected.

The healthcare thing too, Medicare for all sounds good, til you understand that what he's planning isn't medicare for all, and really great for those wondering what to do when they are bumped off their parent's insurance plans. And let's not forget who's enlisting in the military.

It's after this age though that reality starts to set in, and people want details and while they might like what he's saying, at least in the primaries, they don't necessarily think he'll win. A lot of people are voting for the rhetoric in the primary, fully planning on voting for pragmatism in the GE. (Even if Bernie wins the primary somehow, that anti-Trump vote is still a very pragmatic one.)

But I don't think women *love* Bernie, I really do think it's the guys, he's speaking to the, and their fears and at least one of it is "I'm not voting for mom". (That applies to both genders I think.)

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #132)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:23 AM

134. Can I also just say, thanks for such a refreshing, normal, not guano-crazy reply based on

 

actually discussing stuff, with no name calling, or snark, or the general nonsense that has been the norm around here?

I almost forgot how adults talked when discussing a topic! And I don't even know or care which team you're rooting for, and how awesome is that!!! Nor, does it even matter!!!




(Sorry, I'm just ready for these long drawn out primaries and their accompanying craziness to be done with so we can get back to discussing how guano-crazy the Repubs are!)

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:57 AM

131. The answer is both interesting and obvious actually.

 

Women tend to be more politically-conscious than men younger, largely as a result of seeing their status and rights threatened to a greater degree by politics and political action.

When you talk to them, it's becomes obvious really quickly...it's not just about Sanders, they're equally strong on rejecting Clinton because they oppose her policies. They're anti-war, they've been pro-equality longer than the Senator, they don't like what her economic policies mean for the families they are starting or hope to start some day, they hear her say she's willing to make compromises on things like their reproductive health to get things done...and they don't like her for it.

They're also less likely to have experienced the more-overt sexism of their mothers, have grown up in a world where work-place harassment is less common and have seen it consistently punished and called-out for what it is rather than tacitly-approved by male peers, nobody has ever told them they can't grow up to do the job they want because they're "a girl", they've never been denied educational rights or access on the basis of sex, for the most part they've grown up in a world where AIDS is a concern and there has been more cultural approval and less stigma about the acquisition of condoms and other safer-sex items--they feel more sexually-liberated and equal at the same time they feel that as much stigma and oppression of that comes from earlier feminists as from men. They implicitly accept intersectional concerns like those of PoC, lesbians and transwomen to a greater degree than their predecessors. Sum in total, their feminist concerns are not those of their mothers and grandmothers...they're often the opposite of their mothers and grandmothers. Hillary's feminist concerns and credentials are in-line with their mothers and grandmothers.

The better question is "Why would Hillary think she'd be able to attract them without moving to positions that cost her with older voters and particularly older women?" We're talking about probably the least accessible group of voters she faces within this party as they're the ones most likely to simply reject her and all she stands for unilaterally.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #131)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:33 PM

144. This is the one response that seems to put it all together; however,

I don't believe I've actually ever heard Hillary say or intimate that she would be "willing to make compromises on things like their reproductive health to get things done."

Hillary has certainly made it clear she would be willing to make compromises with conservatives in other areas, "to get things done." But not on reproductive health, as far as I am aware.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #144)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:31 PM

146. Last year...said she could work with them on reasonable restrictions...

 

on abortion as long as they made exceptions for the life of the mother. It happened in an interview on MSNBC with Chuck Todd.

I heard it and thought "well, her candidacy is dead now"...then it never seemed to take traction.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #146)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:56 PM

147. WOW!! That is a bombshell! NBC/MSNBC just buried it. nt

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #146)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:00 PM

148. the snippet of the clip has her talking about 3rd trimester abortions

I can't find the full context for the question. MSNBC/NBC seems to have buried/axed the transcript and the video.

I wonder if anyone has a link for the full interview.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #148)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:09 PM

149. Unfortunately, not that I'm aware of.

 

Someone asked that exact question on Reddit like a month ago and all that anybody there was able to find online was the RCP clip.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #131)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:47 PM

161. Bra-vo

 

"The better question is "Why would Hillary think she'd be able to attract them without moving to positions that cost her with older voters and particularly older women?" We're talking about probably the least accessible group of voters she faces within this party as they're the ones most likely to simply reject her and all she stands for unilaterally."

Why indeed? On top of that, the older feminists scolding them for their non-support when it's based on principles they hold dear, if not sacred, is very off-putting to say the least.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:59 AM

141. cuz they don't let identity politics rule over actual policies they can get behind.

 

There's been too many examples of women adopting Reich Wing policies and agendas to prove they're just as tough as any man, and oh by the way, greed has proven to be gender blind.

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