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Progressives should not be silent when the . . (Original Post) FairWinds Mar 2016 OP
Her fans don't care. revbones Mar 2016 #1
EXACTLY LIKE THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS . . . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #16
'"As president, I will make a firm commitment elleng Mar 2016 #2
What else should progressives think? upaloopa Mar 2016 #3
Think whatever you want, elleng Mar 2016 #7
This country has always supported Israel and always will. upaloopa Mar 2016 #8
I am aware of that, elleng Mar 2016 #13
Sanders has that list and supporting him is number one on it.... soooo, yeah airbody else is a PINO uponit7771 Mar 2016 #20
Sanders is not going to be president. There are and will be progressives without him upaloopa Mar 2016 #21
War Drums pugetres Mar 2016 #4
Her supporters can not possible be actual Progressives. djean111 Mar 2016 #5
want an F35? Bernie can get you one, he got himself a bunch nt msongs Mar 2016 #10
Exactly, they don't care what it takes...how would you otherwise back a person that has questionable insta8er Mar 2016 #6
Two birds with one stone. Pandering to Israel and the MIC. Brilliant...in a sordid sort of way. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #9
Look at the Tweets from Glenn Greenwald and others at that link BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #11
and this from VP Biden: elleng Mar 2016 #12
Dear HRC Supporters . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #14
It's the money Rebelde Mar 2016 #15
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #17
Palestine has been a supporter of international terrorism for generations Tarc Mar 2016 #18
Palestinian support for "international terrorism" . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #19
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
16. EXACTLY LIKE THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS . . . .
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

I'm just waiting to hear her say she could shoot someone on the street and they'd still support her. Any day now.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
2. '"As president, I will make a firm commitment
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

to ensure Israel maintains its qualitative military edge," she said. "The United States should provide Israel with the most sophisticated defense technology so it can deter and stop any threats. That includes bolstering Israeli missile defenses with new systems like the Arrow Three and David’s Sling. And we should work together to develop better tunnel detection, technology to prevent armed smuggling, kidnapping and terrorist attacks."

As observers noted, as she ran down the list of "evolving threats," the former U.S. secretary of state resorted to common neoconservative talking points, declaring:

As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.

We have to combat all these trends with even more intense security and diplomatic cooperation. The United States and Israel must be closer than ever, stronger than ever and more determined than ever to prevail against our common adversaries and to advance our shared values.

Touting her "deep, personal commitment" to the "Jewish state," Clinton then said that "one of the first things I’ll do in office is invite Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] to visit the White House."'

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. What else should progressives think?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

I need to know since I support Hillary I need to have the list of what else I am not thinking right on.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
7. Think whatever you want,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

and be clear about her positions.

Again:

"As president, I will make a firm commitment to ensure Israel maintains its qualitative military edge," she said. "The United States should provide Israel with the most sophisticated defense technology so it can deter and stop any threats. That includes bolstering Israeli missile defenses with new systems like the Arrow Three and David’s Sling. And we should work together to develop better tunnel detection, technology to prevent armed smuggling, kidnapping and terrorist attacks."

As observers noted, as she ran down the list of "evolving threats," the former U.S. secretary of state resorted to common neoconservative talking points, declaring:

As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.

We have to combat all these trends with even more intense security and diplomatic cooperation. The United States and Israel must be closer than ever, stronger than ever and more determined than ever to prevail against our common adversaries and to advance our shared values.

Touting her "deep, personal commitment" to the "Jewish state," Clinton then said that "one of the first things I’ll do in office is invite Israeli Prime Minister to visit the White House."'

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. This country has always supported Israel and always will.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

It is a matter of the balance of power in the Middle East.

I would much rather have someone in the White House who knows what the issues are rather than someone who has no experience and runs his campaign like an ideologue with platitudes that mean little when the shit hits the fan and he has to ask someone with experience what the hell to do.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
13. I am aware of that,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

and so probably is VP Biden.

Source: Reuters

Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:35pm IST
By Patricia Zengerle

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden called on Israel's government on Sunday to demonstrate its commitment to a two-state solution to end the conflict with the Palestinians and said settlement expansion is weakening prospects for peace.

"Israel's government's steady and systematic process of expanding settlements, legalizing outposts, seizing land, is eroding in my view the prospect of a two-state solution," Biden said in a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a leading pro-Israel lobbying group.

Biden said he did not agree with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government that expanded settlements would not interfere with any effort to settle the conflict.

"Bibi (Netanyahu) thinks it can be accommodated, and I believe he believes it. I don't," Biden said.

Read more: http://in.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-usa-idINKCN0WN04M

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
20. Sanders has that list and supporting him is number one on it.... soooo, yeah airbody else is a PINO
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. Her supporters can not possible be actual Progressives.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

And, as far as I can tell, her supporters think war is GOOD. As is fracking, the TPP, cluster bombs, etc.
What is really horrifically fascinating is when her supporters try and paint BERNIE as the bloodthirsty one, over a gun vote.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
6. Exactly, they don't care what it takes...how would you otherwise back a person that has questionable
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

morals and decision making skills.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
11. Look at the Tweets from Glenn Greenwald and others at that link
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is running to the right of Donald Trump on Israel and foreign policy.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
12. and this from VP Biden:
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

Biden Says Israel Settlements Raise Questions About Commitment To Peace.

Source: Reuters

Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:35pm IST
By Patricia Zengerle

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden called on Israel's government on Sunday to demonstrate its commitment to a two-state solution to end the conflict with the Palestinians and said settlement expansion is weakening prospects for peace.

"Israel's government's steady and systematic process of expanding settlements, legalizing outposts, seizing land, is eroding in my view the prospect of a two-state solution," Biden said in a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a leading pro-Israel lobbying group.

Biden said he did not agree with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government that expanded settlements would not interfere with any effort to settle the conflict.

"Bibi (Netanyahu) thinks it can be accommodated, and I believe he believes it. I don't," Biden said.

Read more: http://in.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-usa-idINKCN0WN04M

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
14. Dear HRC Supporters . .
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:59 PM
Mar 2016

Since the equal worth of all human beings is a hallmark of progressive thought,

if you (or Ms. Clinton) refuse to recognize the rights and humanity of the

Palestinian people - you are not really a progressive.

(Have the Palestinians and their leaders made grievous errors? Of course.
Have the Israelis? Of course.)

 

Rebelde

(12 posts)
15. It's the money
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is desperate for donations and she's hoping her speech will bring a ton of money to her campaing from the Israeli lobby.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
18. Palestine has been a supporter of international terrorism for generations
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sorry, but some of the "aghast" and "disgusting" types of sentiment should be turned inwards.

Israel and some of its leaders over the years have been no saints either, but they have always been and always will be an ally to the US.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
19. Palestinian support for "international terrorism" . .
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:33 PM
Mar 2016

is short hand for fighting back against Israeli occupation and violence.

Under international law - which is ALWAYS ignored by Israel and its backers -
the Palestinians have every right to resist the occupation as they are slowly but
very surely being dispossessed of their homeland.

And the US will "always" be an ally of Israel like we have
"always been at war with East Asia."

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