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DFab420

(2,466 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:11 PM Mar 2016

Question: Do you support the de-regulation of certain markets, like investment and housing?

Do you believe that free market economies regulate themselves against bad behavior?

Again, just gauging the temperature here on the board.

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Question: Do you support the de-regulation of certain markets, like investment and housing? (Original Post) DFab420 Mar 2016 OP
Why is it I always feel there is some ulterior motive to these kind of OP's? upaloopa Mar 2016 #1
See into what you want. DFab420 Mar 2016 #5
What do you mean by regulation of housing? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #9
Pre-2001 housing bubble regulation. The protection of consumers DFab420 Mar 2016 #15
Mortgage regulation, sure... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #18
RIght, which is commonly refered to as regulating the housing market.. DFab420 Mar 2016 #20
So you were for denying people with less than perfect credit from having a home? Hoyt Mar 2016 #22
Actually what it did was allow people to treat houses as investments, that didn't have any gains tax DFab420 Mar 2016 #23
Another one of those fantasies -- housing prices would keep increasing. If you couldn't keep up the Hoyt Mar 2016 #24
I like your style UglyGreed Mar 2016 #25
there's such a thing as too little regulation, and too much regulation nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #2
No PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #3
I like you, you ask uncomfortable questions for a certain people who support a certain candidate. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #4
Well really I'm hoping neither side finds it uncomfortable to answer for the positions of those DFab420 Mar 2016 #10
LOL Kalidurga Mar 2016 #21
Rarely, and surely not investment and housing. elleng Mar 2016 #6
Of course they don't regulate themselves. Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #7
You realize you're not on a Republican site . . . right? Vinca Mar 2016 #8
That's kind of the idea.... DFab420 Mar 2016 #11
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #12
No. An unregulated market is a manipulated market. mmonk Mar 2016 #13
All things that are necessities* in life MUST be public, and not privately administered. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #14
Wait, you want me to my house from the goverment? Adrahil Mar 2016 #17
Agree, although food is a necessity and left to corporate power or greed, to some degree. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #28
I don't think any market should be completely unregulated. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #16
good always triumphs over evil so no need for regulations Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #19
Did you really just say that? PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #30
did not think I needed one Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #35
You know, I have seen a lot of right wing posts PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #38
we need regulations to protect the people from greedy and dishonest corps Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #40
That cant be true otherwise the Patriots would never win the Super Bowl Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #32
A truly free market is incompatible with democracy n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #26
No, I don't. Zira Mar 2016 #27
No. Regulation is good. ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #29
No (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #31
Free Markets require Free Information One_Life_To_Give Mar 2016 #33
kind of like how the Democratic Party ibegurpard Mar 2016 #34
No, we've already seen clear demonstration of what happens when the greedy are onecaliberal Mar 2016 #36
I think we have seen quite the opposite astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #37
Hell no. TheDormouse Mar 2016 #39
Not ever. Have we not learnt from the subprime mortgage scandal - applegrove Mar 2016 #41

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Why is it I always feel there is some ulterior motive to these kind of OP's?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:14 PM
Mar 2016

You know as well as I that nobody here believes in unregulated free markets. This isn't freerepublic

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
5. See into what you want.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

The motive is to see what convictions are held. Are we blind to the issues because the (D) or (R) on the end of a name or are we willing to hold those that we choose to lead us accountable.

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
15. Pre-2001 housing bubble regulation. The protection of consumers
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:30 PM
Mar 2016

from predatory lending, subprime mortgages, before the repeal of Glass-Stegall.

You know. Housing regulation.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. So you were for denying people with less than perfect credit from having a home?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

Fact is, the issue is not as simple as folks try to make it.

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
23. Actually what it did was allow people to treat houses as investments, that didn't have any gains tax
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

Meaning at the time it was the only way to receive capital gains without paying taxes was to invest in property. So people were advised by financial advisors to invest in property they couldn't afford and rates they could never pay off.

So really I am for protecting people with bad credit from loans that they shouldn't qualify for because it'll only force them into greater poverty.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Another one of those fantasies -- housing prices would keep increasing. If you couldn't keep up the
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:41 PM
Mar 2016

payments, sell it and get out with some cash in your pocket. Only thing is, housing prices didn't keep climbing. Well, we are definitely limiting loans right now. That's one reason the economy is sluggish.

I just don't think it's that simple.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. I like you, you ask uncomfortable questions for a certain people who support a certain candidate.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

I think the tax on speculative investing is an excellent idea and it could have saved millions of jobs and millions of people from losing their homes. The big banks do need to be broken up and we do need to start arresting people who commit malfeasance that leads to people losing their homes and markets to crash.

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
10. Well really I'm hoping neither side finds it uncomfortable to answer for the positions of those
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016

they want to lead us.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
21. LOL
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

I see one side very uncomfortable talking about any kind of economic justice and another that won't shut up about it. You may guess which side I am on.

elleng

(130,834 posts)
6. Rarely, and surely not investment and housing.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

In order to thrive, capitalism must be regulated.

They do NOT regulate themselves against bad behavior, doesn't happen, NOT in human nature.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Of course they don't regulate themselves.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

That doesn't mean that regulation doesn't have its own problems, but just about every type of market needs regulation.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
14. All things that are necessities* in life MUST be public, and not privately administered.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:30 PM
Mar 2016

Housing
Healthcare
Utilities (including hi speed internet)

American economy is now based on predatory capital, the necessities of life simply can not be left to corporate power.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
28. Agree, although food is a necessity and left to corporate power or greed, to some degree.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

Which is why having food assistance is so important.

Why food stamps or whatever we call it is so important and why it should be much easier to get and those who do qualify should be able to get more than they can now.


 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
30. Did you really just say that?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:49 PM
Mar 2016

without a sarcasm tag?

Angry Dragon
19. good always triumphs over evil so no need for regulations

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
38. You know, I have seen a lot of right wing posts
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

here on economic issues. Not as cut and dry anymore to me when I see posts like that.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
27. No, I don't.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

I guess that makes me not eligible for the Tea Party, the Libertarian Party, or the Republican party.

I think a perfect example of an unregulated system is the Russian mafia and the South American drug cartels. I think they don't really believe in a free market at all - they kill their competitors.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
33. Free Markets require Free Information
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

Which means you would need to know if the identical looking but cheaper product would fail in two weeks or give years of service. Which is not going to happen. Every company out there want's to build Monopolistic Competition cause that is where the big money can be made. The purpose of regulators is to try and bring the markets back, as close as possible, to the ideal Free Market. History has demonstrated the need to be proactive in regulations to try and maintain a truly Free Market System. Otherwise you will not have it.

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