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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:55 PM Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders is Set To Win All of The Upcoming 8 States, Expert Says

http://www.politicalpeopleblog.com/bernie-sanders-set-to-win-all-of-the-upcoming-8-states/

According to polling expert Nate Silver, Bernie Sanders is likely to win all of the upcoming 8 states in the race to become the Democratic nominee. Silver boasts a long record of accurate predictions which includes successfully calling the outcomes in 49 of the 50 states in the 2008 U.S. Presidential election, for example. As a result of that particular achievement, he was named one of The World’s 100 Most Influential People by Time in 2009.

Currently working at polling organization FiveThirtyEight, Silver has done a remarkable job of predicting state by state who will win in both the Democratic and Republican fields during this election cycle. His credibility took a blow, however, following a win for the rising Democratic candidate, Bernie Sanders in the state of Michigan. Silver and his polling organization claimed that Sanders’ opponent – former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton – had a greater than 99% chance of winning the Michigan primary, when in fact Bernie Sanders won the state by 2%.

After that upset, Silver went back through the records and found that only one primary, the 1984 Democratic one in New Hampshire, was on the same scale as the historical Sanders win in Michigan. The whole polling game changed that day, proclaimed many experts in the period that followed the primary.Silver decided to create an entirely different model and formula for predicting the primaries, one which incorporated demographic factors much more....

It is critical to the Sanders campaign that they finally begin to enter a period of sustained victories, if they are to clinch the nomination. Now, however, following a change in Silver’s prediction system, it seems as though Sanders is on track to achieve just that. While Clinton tends to do better in more conservative regions, such as the Deep South, there aren’t many of such places left to vote. The next 8 states to engage in the Democratic nominating process are Arizona, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming. Silver feels Sanders has a shot at winning all of them....

Therefore – with the exception of perhaps Arizona – Bernie Sanders looks set to enter a period of successive wins in very important states. Last week, the Sanders campaign claimed that Clinton’s best days are now behind us and according to polling experts such as Nate Silver it seems as though they were right. Sanders fans will hope that winning all of the upcoming 8 states would provide Bernie with sufficient momentum to enable him to win bigger states in the future such as California and New York.
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Bernie Sanders is Set To Win All of The Upcoming 8 States, Expert Says (Original Post) KamaAina Mar 2016 OP
Hence the "Time to drop out now, stick a fork in him" barrage of the past 48 hours. arcane1 Mar 2016 #1
They're scared because he can win. And Hillary can't win even if she took every Delegate left. Zira Mar 2016 #4
But don't you know? astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #19
"she will always be there for us" pdsimdars Mar 2016 #58
It was a quote from one of her speeches astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #59
Nope, it's more like 33% of the 41% of Dem primary voters Sanders has won so far. Not all Dems. nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #26
Now I'm against Hillary for the nominee, but aren't there like ~2,000 pledged delegates left? nt revbones Mar 2016 #76
I hope so. But this may keep happing Zira Mar 2016 #2
Interesting video! OMG people got their pictures taken, how evil, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2016 #10
Welcome to my ignore. Zira Mar 2016 #14
Thank you! The dude in the video is both paranoid and naive. First campaign I guess. bettyellen Mar 2016 #23
Can you include me? trumad Mar 2016 #28
Bwah haa ha . Here for only a week and already threatening with the dreaded "ignore" Sheepshank Mar 2016 #60
Ignore me too please! Lucinda Mar 2016 #64
Add me too! Desert805 Mar 2016 #67
What is "happing"? panader0 Mar 2016 #66
Well this'll put a kink Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #3
Who cares what they do? They are irrelevant. Zira Mar 2016 #7
Hillary will win AZ and might win HI. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #5
I think Sanders thumps Clinton pretty good there. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #9
She will put up a fight though. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #11
she'll fight everywhere, even where she's down in the polls. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #17
She didn't, and it's all proportional. Agschmid Mar 2016 #25
Especially at this stage of the game ... with such a lead. ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #124
Correct, she hasn't written off a single state throughout this campaign, unlike her opponent. George II Mar 2016 #112
I've been calling all day in Az, 90% of the people I spoke with are with Bernie. jillan Mar 2016 #12
Did you get the list of numbers from the Sanders campaign? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #15
I live in Az sdaz Mar 2016 #37
So you are calling people that volunteer their time a "cult"? Wow. Just wow. jillan Mar 2016 #40
Democracy is a cult? Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #62
well, I'd be annoyed too, and I support him renate Mar 2016 #74
Please don't blame the callers. HerbChestnut Mar 2016 #81
3 posts. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #85
thank you so much for your hard work! renate Mar 2016 #75
Phone banking a day or two before an election/primary isn't done to sway voters, its done to.... George II Mar 2016 #113
I think you're right. But lost in all this "win" blather is that he doesn't merely have to "win"... George II Mar 2016 #110
Silver is not predicting Sanders will win Arizona. Sanders does not care about crowd sizes. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #6
"Now, however, following a change in Silver’s prediction system.." misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #8
From the article: KamaAina Mar 2016 #13
My point. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #21
It's pretty clear he has a new model noiretextatique Mar 2016 #122
avoiding over-correlation based on particularly strong results can be tricky 0rganism Mar 2016 #34
He could very easily be over fitting his models if he is not careful. Yup. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #99
Why not create a new model cosmicone Mar 2016 #16
THIS ^ misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #24
I think Bernie will kill it in Alaska. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #18
He will. Agschmid Mar 2016 #27
Good read, it will be interesting for sure. Agschmid Mar 2016 #20
Silver's model here gives Sanders less of a chance in AZ than he had in Ohio nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #22
Maybe he'll revert back to the old model for some States misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #29
he's not changing model, he's playing with numbers geek tragedy Mar 2016 #30
Yes. the article referred to it as 'change in the prediction system.' misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #41
It was premature and transparent to ask Bernie to get out of the race. ViseGrip Mar 2016 #31
Thank You For Sharing This Good News cantbeserious Mar 2016 #32
I'm Just Concerned That They're Building Bernie's Expectations..... global1 Mar 2016 #33
They can make Old Codger Mar 2016 #51
That is what the Hillary side is trying to do Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #71
I am hesitant to get on board with this analysis after the last series. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #118
The household name Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #35
Yet she won the popular vote in 2008 and she's a couple MILLION ahead now. R B Garr Mar 2016 #53
Does the count include all the votes in the caucus states JimDandy Mar 2016 #57
We're talking about a 2.4 MILLION vote lead. But how about the Michigan voters who got R B Garr Mar 2016 #63
Again, does this number include all the caucus states? n/t JimDandy Mar 2016 #73
It includes most states metroins Mar 2016 #103
yeah, in the deep south and Ohio. The MOST PROGRESSIVE Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #77
Tomorrow is just one day/ But how laughable R B Garr Mar 2016 #79
Yeah. kenfrequed Mar 2016 #106
Last I checked, Nate Silver's name was MUD amongst Bernie supporters. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #36
Is it really that hard for Hillary supporters? revbones Mar 2016 #78
Is WHAT really that hard? Nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #88
To understand revbones Mar 2016 #89
Name five things that Bernie has done wrong. Nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #90
That's your response? revbones Mar 2016 #92
That's what I thought. Nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #94
You thought I wouldn't take the bait, so you just posted it anyway. revbones Mar 2016 #95
Whatever you say. Nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #96
If you like facts and truth, here are some: George II Mar 2016 #114
Nice. Demonstrates a bit of immaturity though. revbones Mar 2016 #117
Ditto. George II Mar 2016 #119
Nate Silver gets dragged out from under the bus. DavidDvorkin Mar 2016 #38
Ha.. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #43
"But leave his feet under there, just in case he offends us again." DavidDvorkin Mar 2016 #44
Ow my ankles! misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #47
Even if this happens, he'll face a steeper climb than he does today. DavidDvorkin Mar 2016 #39
As much as I want to be hopeful about this, it comes from Nate Silver who has seemed to lose his jillan Mar 2016 #42
Sorry, but I do not trust Nate Silver nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #45
That's probably because Nate Silver has a habit of actually being accurate. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #50
Nope, but nice try nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #52
Yup...history bears out the habits of this statistician. Nt Sheepshank Mar 2016 #61
No. And this year has been a monumental failure for him. Kittycat Mar 2016 #69
He's missed two states where he's made projections, Oklahoma and Michigan. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #70
You are looking at win/loss. I'm looking at % swing. Kittycat Mar 2016 #80
I don't think you understand how 538's model works. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #91
No, I do. Kittycat Mar 2016 #97
Twenty six states so far, he was wrong about one of them (which was decided by 2%). I'd say.... George II Mar 2016 #109
If it hinges on New York PATRICK Mar 2016 #46
after that Nate Silver says Clinton pretty much has the nomination. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #48
"More of them seem to want Clinton as their nominee" Samantha Mar 2016 #98
Clinton has a substantial lead in Arizona--most recent was 26 points. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #49
I'd be really surprised if he won AZ. He should start to seriously erode Clinton's lead in WA JimDandy Mar 2016 #54
A dent, maybe. Then Pennsylvania, Maryland, and New York vote. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #55
Ah, when I read your posts . . . . . I hear a song . . . .. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #56
I have so much hope because of the young leadership I am seeing Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #72
The numbers in the articles don't align with what is at fiverthiryeight n/t Lucinda Mar 2016 #65
K&R amborin Mar 2016 #68
I read Clinton banked a lot of votes in AZ. Skwmom Mar 2016 #82
Slightly deceptive article. It's the winning margins that matter more so than the wins. LonePirate Mar 2016 #83
Unless he wins by big margins, it won't mean much Kaleva Mar 2016 #84
But wait a minute, Camp Sanders told us that all of Hill's Southern wins were irrelevant Tarc Mar 2016 #86
This 74 year old man MuseRider Mar 2016 #87
May this good thing happen to us. senz Mar 2016 #93
That's great news - let's hope he will do so by 60 - 40 percent margins. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #100
So, where on fivethirtyeight.com did they take that interesting looking chart from? synergie Mar 2016 #101
None of these polls really mean anything. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #102
+1 lmbradford Mar 2016 #108
And these are states that will actually be BLUE in the election. nt TBF Mar 2016 #104
I hope so, and I hope this mornings terror attacks doesn't freak out people into voting for HRC Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #105
All told after these 8 "great" Bernie states he will still trail by well over 200 delegates. DCBob Mar 2016 #107
Anyone here check the "About" Politicalpeopleblog? Objective? I think not. George II Mar 2016 #111
states don't let me down. make it so. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #115
Good, I'll be interested to see if he's correct WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #116
So many people have yet to vote. tabasco Mar 2016 #120
Kicked and Rec'd demwing Mar 2016 #121
That would surprise me. Orsino Mar 2016 #123
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. Hence the "Time to drop out now, stick a fork in him" barrage of the past 48 hours.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:57 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure Clinton's million-dollar polling is telling her the same thing.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
4. They're scared because he can win. And Hillary can't win even if she took every Delegate left.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:58 PM
Mar 2016

A large percent of Dems won't vote for her no matter what. She isn't viable in the GE. She failed to unify the party.
The DNC has to replace her or concede a loss in the GE.

astrophuss42

(290 posts)
19. But don't you know?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

Even if we aren't for her now, she will always be there for us. Until she bats you away like a fly.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
58. "she will always be there for us"
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016

What do you guys smoke. Must be really good.
She has never been there for you unless you are from the upper 1%

astrophuss42

(290 posts)
59. It was a quote from one of her speeches
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:29 PM
Mar 2016

And it seems it fooled a good number of people. I believe it was with the other feminists when we got admonished to hell.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
26. Nope, it's more like 33% of the 41% of Dem primary voters Sanders has won so far. Not all Dems. nt
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016
 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
76. Now I'm against Hillary for the nominee, but aren't there like ~2,000 pledged delegates left? nt
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. Thank you! The dude in the video is both paranoid and naive. First campaign I guess.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

maybe he should ask around instead of making so may silly assumptions?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
60. Bwah haa ha . Here for only a week and already threatening with the dreaded "ignore"
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

You may do well to get a thicker skin or you will find yourself in the most boring and losing side of echo chambers.

Could you please add me to you ignore list, petulance is boring and childish, on a political board.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
3. Well this'll put a kink
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:57 PM
Mar 2016

in the collective corporate crowds colon.


But first they will execute the messenger then dismiss the author

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
7. Who cares what they do? They are irrelevant.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

When a large percent of your own party won't vote for your candidate no matter what, you have a really non-viable candidate no matter how infatuated you are with said candidate. She's lost. She lost the Dem primaries because too many Dems won't vote for her no matter how many delegates she gets. The Hillary supporter just haven't figured it out yet. Which is odd and it's just conceding a loss to continue with her. The RNC sure figured it out with Trump. He's non viable and they are trying to replace him.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. I think Sanders thumps Clinton pretty good there.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

This is Feingold land, so the principled leftwing iconoclast should do very well there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. she'll fight everywhere, even where she's down in the polls.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

She didn't quit in NH, even knowing she wouldn't win there.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
124. Especially at this stage of the game ... with such a lead. ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

I hate to put it this way, lest it be seen as gloating ... The HRC is pretty much in ride it out mode, conserving resources for the G/E.

It's like being in the last quarter of the semis of a wrestling tournament, up 16-8. You can work for the pin and farther tire yourself for the finals; or, you can save your energy for the finals, doing just enough to avoid stalling penalties, while making sure you don't go to your back.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
15. Did you get the list of numbers from the Sanders campaign?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:06 PM
Mar 2016

If so it is likely his list of supporters.

sdaz

(8 posts)
37. I live in Az
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:31 PM
Mar 2016

and have gotten over 30 phones call from Bernie people in the last 3 days.Says a lot about their phone banking system.I have told them I will not support Bernie and they still call reminds me of a cult.

renate

(13,776 posts)
74. well, I'd be annoyed too, and I support him
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:53 PM
Mar 2016

Thirty calls in three days would start to get on my nerves as well.

Welcome to DU!

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
81. Please don't blame the callers.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

There's a ton of phone calls being made for the Sanders campaign by volunteers who are given a call list. Those lists don't get updated fast enough to prevent overlap. You aren't the only one to experience this problem.

George II

(67,782 posts)
113. Phone banking a day or two before an election/primary isn't done to sway voters, its done to....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

....make sure supporters get out to vote.

George II

(67,782 posts)
110. I think you're right. But lost in all this "win" blather is that he doesn't merely have to "win"...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

.....but he has to win by 16% (58-42) in EVERY remaining state just to draw even with Clinton.

That simply is not going to happen.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Silver is not predicting Sanders will win Arizona. Sanders does not care about crowd sizes.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

and his retrodictive model isn't a forecast.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
8. "Now, however, following a change in Silver’s prediction system.."
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

Silver changed his prediction system to fit the desired outcome?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. From the article:
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016
After that upset, Silver went back through the records and found that only one primary, the 1984 Democratic one in New Hampshire, was on the same scale as the historical Sanders win in Michigan. The whole polling game changed that day, proclaimed many experts in the period that followed the primary.Silver decided to create an entirely different model and formula for predicting the primaries, one which incorporated demographic factors much more.

Using his new method of predicting, Silver would have been able to predict the Michigan caucus far more accurately, as he explains, “Our demographic “retrodiction” for Michigan still has Clinton winning, but only barely — by 3 percentage points, compared with the actual 2-point win for Sanders. Especially under the Democrats’ proportional allocation method, that’s a pretty minor difference.” The difference is even more minor when you incorporate the fact that most polling companies, in the run-up to Michigan had Sanders losing to Clinton by almost 20%.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
21. My point.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

Is he going to apply this new system to every primary State? Or just MI.
Just wondering what the outcome may report.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
122. It's pretty clear he has a new model
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

That will apply to every state, per the article, which mentions he tried the new model on MI with more accurate results

0rganism

(23,944 posts)
34. avoiding over-correlation based on particularly strong results can be tricky
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

i would hope and expect Mr. Silver has the openness to evolve a weighting model when it shows weakness and the foresight to cross-correlate his new model with other current results to ensure he doesn't demolish his accurate predictions along the way. someone like Silver doesn't make bank from propping a particular outcome, but rather from his general accuracy in predicting all outcomes. the Michigan results really threw a wrench in his analysis engine.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
16. Why not create a new model
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

that will assume no Hillary supporter will come out to vote and 40% of the electorate will reduce their age to millennial level?

Then Sanders can win all 50 states like proclaimed here a while ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251650529

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
18. I think Bernie will kill it in Alaska.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

We're not many delegates, but we're fired up. They're expecting a big crowd at the caucus on Saturday.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. he's not changing model, he's playing with numbers
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

He did this after Michigan to see if he could model/predict results using demographics rather than polling.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
41. Yes. the article referred to it as 'change in the prediction system.'
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

Playing with the numbers is a long way from the OP title, however.
Bernie Sanders is Set To Win All of The Upcoming 8 States, Expert Says

global1

(25,241 posts)
33. I'm Just Concerned That They're Building Bernie's Expectations.....
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

and if it's close or if he loses a state - that the media will claim it as a big win for Hillary.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
51. They can make
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

Al the claims they wish, he is much more viable today than she is, he can win the GE she most likely can't and it is way way too early for anyone to concede either direction .. Keep it going til all voters have had their say...If he pulled out that easily she still cannot reconcile all the hard feeling she has caused nor can she make enough changes that anyone will believe ...she is way to much chameleon to suit a lot of voters... Personally if she said it was raining and she was soaking wet I would check for myself.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
71. That is what the Hillary side is trying to do
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

fool the people into thinking she is inevitable. She's SNOT!

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
118. I am hesitant to get on board with this analysis after the last series.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:46 AM
Mar 2016

Have my fingers crossed, tho!

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
53. Yet she won the popular vote in 2008 and she's a couple MILLION ahead now.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

Actually, about 2.4 Million more voters ahead. If that's "nowhere to go", it's looking good!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
57. Does the count include all the votes in the caucus states
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016

and, if so, were those estimated, because Iowa for example, refused to release the votes for each candidate?

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
63. We're talking about a 2.4 MILLION vote lead. But how about the Michigan voters who got
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

turned away in a heavy Clinton county because they ran out of ballots...

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
77. yeah, in the deep south and Ohio. The MOST PROGRESSIVE
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

part of the US!!!!! And we all know the south goes BLUE in the GE. Of course we should let them decide who our candidate is and just SCREW the other 24 states and 3 territories.

Just wait because the wind will shift tomorrow and you will be eating your words.



R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
79. Tomorrow is just one day/ But how laughable
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

that you insist she has "nowhere to go" when Sanders himself said he got "creamed". If "nowhere to go" means WINNING by delegates AND the popular vote, that's fine by me.

And that's the absolutely silliest "argument" the Berniebros have about the Deep South. Like you wouldn't eat your heart out to have those states in Bernie's column! Obama beat Hillary in 2008 because he got an early lead in THOSE Southern states. How hilarious you are overlooking that.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
106. Yeah.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:18 AM
Mar 2016

It bothered me how all the "important states" are states that don't often vote for Democrats. South Carolina is a big deal when it hasn't supported a Democrat in the general election since Jimmy Carter. (about 40 years ago!)

If nothing else we may want to consider restacking the damn primary system so that the south doesn't get to overrule all other areas so thoroughly.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
78. Is it really that hard for Hillary supporters?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie supporters like facts and truths. Some didn't like the methodology or statements by Nate Silver. Maybe there were a few outliers that I didn't see criticizing Nate personally, but I think more often than not it was due to other reasons.

Some supporters tend to idolize the person Hillary rather than look at her positions, what she has, or even will do.

I think that's a huge difference between the camps - whether you look at actions vs idolization. I think that clouds the outlook of some, resulting in statements such as yours.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
89. To understand
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

that Bernie supporters tend to look at facts, actions, policies and positions without idolizing people. Therefore we can criticize the actions, policies, positions, actions and statements of people.

Many Bernie supporters had complaints about 538 or statementsactions of Nate Silver.

Hillary supporters seem to be more about the idolization of Hillary, and possibly that clouds seeing how others might look at issues rather than at people.

If you can't read the previous statement and this explanation, here's a shorter form:

Is it really that hard to understand and distinguish a complaint against someone's actions from a complaint against someone?




For the inevitable jurors, once the alerting Hillary supporter wakes from their fainting:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
92. That's your response?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

*sigh* Typical dodge and deflect response by a Hillary supporter.

You were insinuating Bernie supporters couldn't criticize Nate on one thing and agree on another.

There is such a thing as nuance. Perhaps if some people didn't believe Hillary could do no wrong, they'd understand that we can look at a person's goodness and their faults.

I commented on your comment. I'm not interested in talking about something else you dodge to, because as soon as I take the bait, you'll just dodge to something else.

Enjoy your evening.

George II

(67,782 posts)
114. If you like facts and truth, here are some:
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:34 AM
Mar 2016
Popular vote so far:

Clinton: 8,650,891, Sanders: 6,111,705 (Clinton +2,539,186)

Pledged Delegates so far:

Clinton: 1176, Sanders: 855 (Clinton +321)

Super delegates so far:

Clinton: 472, Sanders: 23 (Clinton +449)
 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
117. Nice. Demonstrates a bit of immaturity though.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016

Nice post to deflect by ignoring the comment its responding to and just posting something positive for your side. Quite a bit immature though. If you are unable to discuss the comment you're responding to, perhaps nnot replying would at least enable you to retain some semblance of self-respect.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
42. As much as I want to be hopeful about this, it comes from Nate Silver who has seemed to lose his
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

touch over the last couple of election cycles.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
69. No. And this year has been a monumental failure for him.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

His numbers on the dem side have been demonstrably wrong. If he puts out projections like this and misses? His credibility is gone.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
70. He's missed two states where he's made projections, Oklahoma and Michigan.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

Everyone was wrong about Michigan, and a lot of that had to do with the polls themselves affecting voting behavior; Democrats felt confident Clinton was going to win, so they went to vote in the Republican primary.

In every other contest, his final polls-plus forecast has predicted the winner.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
80. You are looking at win/loss. I'm looking at % swing.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

Totally different mark.

Eta: he's been off on both candidates, way off for Bernie.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
97. No, I do.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 AM
Mar 2016

I do. I've been following since he bubbled to the forefront. He runs two sets.

One is an aggregate of polls. The other is a prediction model. In addition, he provides commentary/analysis to back up his opinion.

In the past he has been incredibly accurate. This year, specifically on the democratic side he has missed the mark. Not just in the couple states you mentioned, but in the variance of win or loss range. This is due to the same reasons the model failed on Michigan, but by lesser degrees. It's not accounting for what they could not anticipate, or did not adjust for this cycle.

George II

(67,782 posts)
109. Twenty six states so far, he was wrong about one of them (which was decided by 2%). I'd say....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

....that's an amazingly accurate record.

A lot more accurate than the person here on DU who proclaimed that Sanders would win all 50 states.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
46. If it hinges on New York
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

Are we talking more about the Jesse Jackson insurgence v. party organization centrism or the glamor of Clinton past victories? Jackson also had liberal elements within party organizations and definitely blocs voting for him and people like me upstate voted for him too as much as against the negativity and dullness we were ending up with being handed to the states before us. Well, there is that element here for sure and Hillary is not as popular with the masses here as she is on Wall Street. However, she does have the entire organization behind her. If she even loses the state(coming close should scare the party gods to desperation) it will be a massive blow to the Clinton credibility, possibly mortal, whether she cinches the nomination or not. makes a deal with the progressives or not. before such an accomplishment will have to happen the withering away of party machinery influence or will to back Hillary- if not an insurrection of their own.

Still, the obstinacy AGAINST Sanders of even the more liberal NY scene will hope fervently for some sort of third alternative found with a slate of super-delegates that by and large offer little such hope or rationality or moral stature in the trap. I think everywhere the party regulars look they see burning bridges except for the one dedicated to Hillary, by choice by force, by a fear becoming all too fixed to repair. Unless Sanders has really commanding leads they will double down for HRC or go quiet. If Sanders coasts victoriously over the following series of states it is the sum of all their fears, not a wonderful alternate choice. Also you might convince yourself the GOP is set to lose, divide, etc. How often has that attitude worked post Goldwater? What do the pros secretly believe because they sure as shootin' can't publicly foster more doubt and division so with many voters on their own insurgency momentum.

What Sanders possesses in his own numbers is the absolute key to victory in the fall. It is not an easy legacy to pass down to Clinton. Whole chunks of the electorate are being risked or dumped in the institutional math. An institution that has done nothing to promote media fairness much less truth, woefully little to protect the vote stolen from more popular candidates. BTW statistically even if factoring in emotional feelings is near impossible to compare is Hillary as popular as Gore was in 2000? Sanders is far outperforming Bradley.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
48. after that Nate Silver says Clinton pretty much has the nomination.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

The graph they're talking about is from this article on the 15th http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-bernie-sanders-pull-off-an-upset-in-ohio/

Silver adjusted their information, to account for polling troubles, but then polls turned out to be fine for the next round.

On the sixteenth, after voting came in on the day after that other article was written Silver Wrote an article called Clinton is Following Obama's Path to the Nomination about how basically, it's very, very likely that Clinton will receive the nomination.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-is-following-obamas-path-to-the-nomination/

Silver says, "It’s not that it’s mathematically impossible for Sanders to win; Clinton could have some sort of epic meltdown. But she controls her own fate while Sanders doesn’t really control his, and she has quite a lot of tolerance for error.

Sanders has run a good campaign, and the fact that he ran competitively with Clinton in diverse states such as Michigan, Missouri and Illinois is more impressive in many ways than his early successes in Iowa and New Hampshire. But around 15 million Democrats have voted and, simply put, more of them seem to want Clinton as their nominee."

The source you took from published on the 21st. Also 538 doesn't have forecasts for the upcoming states. But I also heard there are supposed to be good states for him coming up.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
98. "More of them seem to want Clinton as their nominee"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:40 AM
Mar 2016

That was then ... when they voted. Today is a new day. Sanders said during his CNN interview he is only five points behind Clinton nationally now. Five points!

As time marches on and his visibility keeps improving, he will garner more and more support.

Sam

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
49. Clinton has a substantial lead in Arizona--most recent was 26 points.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

The other seven have a combined total of 298 delegates at stake. Even if Sanders somehow managed to win all seven of those with margins high enough to lock Clinton out--and I can't stress how unlikely that it is to happen--he would still be trailing.

Once Pennsylvania and New York vote, he'll be right back in the hole. It's not a particularly winning strategy to blow through a third of the remaining contests and barely dent your opponent's lead.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
54. I'd be really surprised if he won AZ. He should start to seriously erode Clinton's lead in WA
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

on Sat Mar 26th, though.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
55. A dent, maybe. Then Pennsylvania, Maryland, and New York vote.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

The larger two of those are closed primaries, to boot.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
56. Ah, when I read your posts . . . . . I hear a song . . . ..
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

I can hear the old guitars a playin',
on the beach at Ho'o nau nau



 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
72. I have so much hope because of the young leadership I am seeing
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

Like this

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LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
83. Slightly deceptive article. It's the winning margins that matter more so than the wins.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie needs to win the five small states well north of 60%-40% and the three large states by 55%-45% or better in order to start chipping away at his delegate deficit. Squeaking out a 52%-48% win in any of the three large states does not change the dynamics of the race.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
86. But wait a minute, Camp Sanders told us that all of Hill's Southern wins were irrelevant
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

since they're states the Democrats won't carry in the fall.

Red
----
Arizona
Idaho
Utah
Alaska
Wyoming

Blue
-----
Hawaii
Washington
Wisconsin

So why the crowing about a group of 8 states where 2/3rds of them are these so-called "irrelevant reds" ?

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
87. This 74 year old man
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

is working harder than anyone I have ever seen. For a guy who really did not want to run he is certainly earning it with time put in. I don't know how he does it.

Awesome. He has my support totally and always.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
93. May this good thing happen to us.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

In 2016, a Bernie Sanders presidential win is the best hope for our country, its people, and the world. This is the very best thing that could happen to us at this time.

Let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
100. That's great news - let's hope he will do so by 60 - 40 percent margins.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:48 AM
Mar 2016

(because that would propel him into outright nomination territory, no need for superdelegates at all)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
101. So, where on fivethirtyeight.com did they take that interesting looking chart from?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:49 AM
Mar 2016

Did they say? Or is that mere employee at 538 providing this random blog some specialized information that he and his blog aren't sharing with anyone, given that they don't have forecasts for any of the states coming up tomorrow?

Arizona, Dem:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/arizona-democratic/
UPDATED 9:03 PM EDT | Mar 21, 2016
D Arizona Democratic primary

There’s no forecast for Arizona yet because there isn’t enough recent polling.
Polling Average: 51.1% Clinton 22.7% Sanders

The caucuses don't have any forecasts and the numbers don't match up either.

Why such desperation to believe anything that gives you news you wish to hear, no matter how blatantly made up it is?

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
102. None of these polls really mean anything.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:53 AM
Mar 2016

Until the actual vote. They can be notoriously wrong, last UK general election all the polls predicted another hung parliament and the Tories got in.

They're a response to not knowing, keeping your hopes up and putting down the opposition.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
105. I hope so, and I hope this mornings terror attacks doesn't freak out people into voting for HRC
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

The last thing we need is more of her sick militarism.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
107. All told after these 8 "great" Bernie states he will still trail by well over 200 delegates.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:28 AM
Mar 2016

Then we have NY, MD, PA, etc... and back up over 300.

Bernie is toast.

George II

(67,782 posts)
111. Anyone here check the "About" Politicalpeopleblog? Objective? I think not.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

Note there was no direct link to anything Nate Silver predicted, in fact not even a link to that "Table taken from FiveThirtyEight"!!!

The author is misrepresenting Silver's data.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
120. So many people have yet to vote.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

Amazing that many Democrats would ask that Sanders bow out.

March 22: American Samoa Republican convention, Arizona primary, Idaho Democratic caucus, Utah caucus

March 26: Alaska Democratic caucus, Hawaii Democratic caucus, Washington Democratic caucus

April 5: Wisconsin primary

April 9: Wyoming Democratic caucus

April 19: New York primary

April 26: Connecticut primary, Delaware primary, Maryland primary, Pennsylvania primary, Rhode Island primary

May 3: Indiana primary

May 7: Guam Democratic caucus

May 10: West Virginia primary

May 17: Kentucky Democratic primary, Oregon primary

June 4: Virgin Islands Democratic caucus

June 5: Puerto Rico Democratic caucus

June 7: California primary, Montana primary, New Jersey primary, New Mexico primary, North Dakota Democratic caucus, South Dakota primary

June 14: District of Columbia Democratic primary

July 25-28: Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia

Nov. 8: Election Day

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
123. That would surprise me.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

But it would be consistent with the general trend of people liking him, the more they know of him. I don't see a likely path to the nomiation for him, but hope he and we will fight all the way to the convention and beyond, turning a fad into real revolution. We need more progressive politics, and less of the same ol'.

The myth of inevitability had tremendous power, though, accustomed as we are to obeying our televisions and voting straight brand-name tickets. Sanders has always needed a long runway, and I scoff at any calls for him to step aside.

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