2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumQuestion: Do you support the death penalty?
Should the federal or state government take upon itself the authority to end the life of a prisoner deemed guilty of a particular set of crimes?
As always, just gauging the temp. of the board.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Too expensive. Not morally just.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)and as 'criminal' law is largely in the domain of the states, it should remain there.
NO, for those relatively few federal offenses.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Not even for the worst of the worst. It's wrong. Period.
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Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)and I'm very glad I live in a non-DP state.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)
til the mods lock it.
Thought I'd give it some GDP flavor.
Edited for damn typos - can't see a thing on those tiny phone screens
(Grumble grumble...)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I fully suspect the OP to ask, perhaps, 5 or 6 more questions (over the next 2 or 3 days) and declare: "See? Based on my temperature checks ... Everyone should be voting for Bernie."
And take an, on so clever, bow!
DFab420
(2,466 posts)and it should always be your choice. I'm just curious to see what people hold as convictions, and whether or not we are blind to those convictions depending on the (R) or the (D) on the end on the name.
Luciferous
(6,078 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
bunnies
(15,859 posts)way.
SamKnause
(13,092 posts)I never have.
I never will.
My candidate does not support it either.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)On the one hand, the disparities in, and unreliability of guilt certainty, it's application has me opposed; however, I can support it in cases of particularly heinous crimes where there is no uncertainty of guilt.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I feel a death sentence lets them off the hook in a way. They get to die, instead of rotting in a jail cell for the rest of their life.
In some cases, a prisoner sentenced to death may be innocent. I don't think the state should take the risk of killing an innocent person.
But if a gulity person happens to get a death sentence, I don't lose sleep over it. Do the crime, do the time (or whatever else one is sentenced to).
But I prefer a life sentence.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I knew someone who was executed. I met him when he was a 13 year old. He was the nephew of one of one of my high school friends. A really sweet kid. He grew up, had a family, and in his early 40's was convicted of murder and executed. So sad. It destroys families, just like a murder does.
Broward
(1,976 posts)I hope there are more to follow.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)No exceptions,
astrophuss42
(290 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)It makes no sense to believe that killing people is so wrong that we are willing to kill people over it.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)One of my closest friends came very close to being murdered in the electric chair, for a crime that he did not commit.
I've had numerous extended family members and friends brutally murdered. But I in no way support the death sentence.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Melurkyoulongtime
(136 posts)Philly-Union-Man
(79 posts)But not unconditionally. In no doubt about it cases absolutely. If there.os a sliver of doubt, the perp can sit in stir until it's figured out one way or the other.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . is that our legal system does not provide for any determination of degrees of certainty as to guilt, and therefore there no way to ensure that the death penalty will only be used in such cases. There is ONE standard of criminal guilt in our legal system: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond <i>all</i> doubt. As West's Encyclopedia of American Law elaborates:
A Reasonable Doubt is such a doubt as would cause a reasonable and prudent person in the graver and more important affairs of life to pause and hesitate to act upon the truth of the matter charged. It does not mean a mere possible doubt, because everything relating to human affairs, and depending on moral evidence, is open to some possible or imaginary doubt
Under our criminal justice system, if there is doubt sufficient to call into question the imposition of a legal sentence that is among the possible sentences for a particular crime, then there is sufficient reason to call into question the conviction itself.
What's more, if we were to try to enact a new standard of guilt for such cases, under which some persons guilty verdicts are deemed to be more "certain" than others, we would immediately come up against two serious problems: one of definition, the other of logistics. The problem of definition arises in how to define what would constitute a guilty verdict about which there is "no doubt about it." DNA evidence, you say? I would remind you that just a few years ago, there was a rash of guilty verdicts in Texas that were called into question as a result of corruption in a couple of DNA labs. I submit there is no definition that would constitute a fail-safe definition in determining which cases meet the standard of certainly you suggest.
Assuming we could surmount the problem of definition, our courts would then be faced with a logistical nightmare. An entire new phase of proceedings would be required, post-verdict and pre-sentencing, to determine whether or not a particular guilty verdict met the standard of certainty that would make it eligible for a death sentence.
Anyone who claims to support the death penalty, then, must accept that there will always be the possibility of wrongful convictions, and therefore wrongful impositions of the death sentence. And if you are going to be at all ethically and intellectually honest, if you are going to support the death penalty, you are really obligated to articulate a rationale that can somehow justify the fact that it is, and will be, sometimes unjustly imposed. If you can't do that, then you have no business supporting it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)My reasons aren't because of the possibility of not being guilty of the crime.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Why does the state have the right to murder and the citizen of that state not have that same right?
I think murder is abhorrent no matter who does it!
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It is one of the most egregious forms of institutionalized racial bias. More people of color are executed, because they are overrepresented among the poor who cannot afford steller legal representation. More people of color are arrested, increasing the odds that there will be mistakes made.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)DFab420
(2,466 posts)I used to give respectful answers to people acting like they're trying to get our "opinions". I'd get a multitude of rude and inappropriate replies in response if people didn't like my views.
So, no thanks, because that's exactly what will happen here and has already happened in this thread.
DFab420
(2,466 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)and amount of proof.
When a criminal kills multiple victims, like the Lane Bryant killings or Timothy McVeigh, or someone like Gacy, I support the death penalty. Of course there are caveats, like the strength of evidence and the type of crimes, but I'm not opposed to the death penalty as a matter of principal. That said, the way it is administered makes it very suspect.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)It's barbaric.
Most of the world realizes that.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Never
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)completely changed on that as I've gotten older.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I'm still torn to this day. Her death isn't a subject that I often discuss, since the memory of her death is still painful, nearly 30 years later.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
I denigrate the character of any Democrat that does.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)but people like Timothy McVeigh make me wanna throw him off the top of a fucking building like the one he blew up.
Or these parents. This was local for me so I heard it on repeat & I cried and cried...
There are some people that are so depraved that they shouldn't be allowed to use our resources. They're just. not. worth. it.
Then I remember I'm pretty much a no on the death penalty....and try like hell to remember that. Try.
longship
(40,416 posts)anamnua
(1,110 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)No exceptions.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Despite having lost friends to premeditated murder.