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DFab420

(2,466 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:00 PM Mar 2016

Question: Do you support the death penalty?

Should the federal or state government take upon itself the authority to end the life of a prisoner deemed guilty of a particular set of crimes?


As always, just gauging the temp. of the board.

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Question: Do you support the death penalty? (Original Post) DFab420 Mar 2016 OP
No. ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #1
No. If just one person is innocently killed by the state, it is unacceptable. virtualobserver Mar 2016 #4
I don't. Agschmid Mar 2016 #2
No, elleng Mar 2016 #3
Nope farleftlib Mar 2016 #5
No Trajan Mar 2016 #6
Never Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #7
No. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #8
No, not at all, Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #9
No, and for the record Bernie is against the DP, Hillary is pro DP nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #10
Shhh ... You are tipping his/her hand and going to spoil the big finale! 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #20
I'm interested in the answers and wanted to keep this in GDP for a while longer riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #21
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #26
Pssh, I would never tell people who they SHOULD be voting for. That's the beauty, it's your choice, DFab420 Mar 2016 #38
No Luciferous Mar 2016 #11
In a perfect world? No. eom MohRokTah Mar 2016 #12
LOL. But if Hillary supports it... you support it. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #39
Next, you'll try to tell us the world isn't perfect. immoderate Mar 2016 #61
No ViseGrip Mar 2016 #13
No. nt bunnies Mar 2016 #14
No UglyGreed Mar 2016 #15
No. SamKnause Mar 2016 #16
I am undecided on this issue ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #17
I prefer a prisoner get a life sentence bigwillq Mar 2016 #18
Absolutely not. It is not justice, it is not a deterrent, it is simply vengeance EndElectoral Mar 2016 #19
Absolutely not. I got over barbarism years ago. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #22
No. Punkingal Mar 2016 #23
No, and thank you for posting some very important questions. Broward Mar 2016 #24
Unequivocally No Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2016 #25
Nope astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #27
Nope hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #28
No, I do not. H2O Man Mar 2016 #29
As long as it is possible to make a mistake, there should be no death penalty. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #30
No ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #31
No I have religious objections against the death penalty. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #32
No. nt Melurkyoulongtime Mar 2016 #33
Yes. Philly-Union-Man Mar 2016 #34
The problem with your "only in no doubt about it cases" argument . . . markpkessinger Mar 2016 #55
No NCTraveler Mar 2016 #35
No. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #36
No Runningdawg Mar 2016 #37
NO! angstlessk Mar 2016 #40
No. Without equivocation. . . no. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #41
No. But of course Hillary does -- another reason I think she's a horrible candidate for us. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #42
No! onecaliberal Mar 2016 #43
No, never. nt malokvale77 Mar 2016 #44
No. loyalsister Mar 2016 #45
Why would I answer this question? blue neen Mar 2016 #46
Because this is a policy discussion that the two people running for the candidacy are seperated on. DFab420 Mar 2016 #48
No. blue neen Mar 2016 #49
I don't see a single disrespectful response here. DFab420 Mar 2016 #62
No. grntuscarora Mar 2016 #47
Depends on the crime 840high Mar 2016 #50
Yep TeddyR Mar 2016 #66
Nope. No exceptions. RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #51
No EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #52
No. nt RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #53
Hell no. I was pro-death penalty when I was very young, but I have TheDormouse Mar 2016 #54
This is a tough question for me. A friend of mine was raped and murdered. She was 7. grossproffit Mar 2016 #56
No. immoderate Mar 2016 #57
No. Chan790 Mar 2016 #58
Simple answer: No! LongTomH Mar 2016 #59
I'm pretty much a no on this.. one_voice Mar 2016 #60
No. DookDook Mar 2016 #63
Nope. nt longship Mar 2016 #64
No nt anamnua Mar 2016 #65
No, Never. CentralCoaster Mar 2016 #67
No. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #68
No DeadLetterOffice Mar 2016 #69
No. RiverLover Mar 2016 #70

elleng

(130,865 posts)
3. No,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

and as 'criminal' law is largely in the domain of the states, it should remain there.

NO, for those relatively few federal offenses.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
21. I'm interested in the answers and wanted to keep this in GDP for a while longer
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)

til the mods lock it.

Thought I'd give it some GDP flavor.




Edited for damn typos - can't see a thing on those tiny phone screens

(Grumble grumble...)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
26. LOL ...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

I fully suspect the OP to ask, perhaps, 5 or 6 more questions (over the next 2 or 3 days) and declare: "See? Based on my temperature checks ... Everyone should be voting for Bernie."

And take an, on so clever, bow!

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
38. Pssh, I would never tell people who they SHOULD be voting for. That's the beauty, it's your choice,
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

and it should always be your choice. I'm just curious to see what people hold as convictions, and whether or not we are blind to those convictions depending on the (R) or the (D) on the end on the name.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. I am undecided on this issue ...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

On the one hand, the disparities in, and unreliability of guilt certainty, it's application has me opposed; however, I can support it in cases of particularly heinous crimes where there is no uncertainty of guilt.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
18. I prefer a prisoner get a life sentence
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:14 PM
Mar 2016

I feel a death sentence lets them off the hook in a way. They get to die, instead of rotting in a jail cell for the rest of their life.
In some cases, a prisoner sentenced to death may be innocent. I don't think the state should take the risk of killing an innocent person.
But if a gulity person happens to get a death sentence, I don't lose sleep over it. Do the crime, do the time (or whatever else one is sentenced to).
But I prefer a life sentence.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
23. No.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

I knew someone who was executed. I met him when he was a 13 year old. He was the nephew of one of one of my high school friends. A really sweet kid. He grew up, had a family, and in his early 40's was convicted of murder and executed. So sad. It destroys families, just like a murder does.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
28. Nope
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

It makes no sense to believe that killing people is so wrong that we are willing to kill people over it.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
29. No, I do not.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:26 PM
Mar 2016

One of my closest friends came very close to being murdered in the electric chair, for a crime that he did not commit.

I've had numerous extended family members and friends brutally murdered. But I in no way support the death sentence.

 

Philly-Union-Man

(79 posts)
34. Yes.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

But not unconditionally. In no doubt about it cases absolutely. If there.os a sliver of doubt, the perp can sit in stir until it's figured out one way or the other.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
55. The problem with your "only in no doubt about it cases" argument . . .
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

. . . is that our legal system does not provide for any determination of degrees of certainty as to guilt, and therefore there no way to ensure that the death penalty will only be used in such cases. There is ONE standard of criminal guilt in our legal system: guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond <i>all</i> doubt. As West's Encyclopedia of American Law elaborates:

Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt is not beyond all possible or imaginary doubt, but such proof as precludes every reasonable hypothesis except that which it tends to support. It is proof to a moral certainty, that is, such proof as satisfies the judgment and consciences of the jury, as reasonable people and applying their reason to the evidence before them, that the crime charged has been committed by the defendant, and so satisfies them as to leave no other reasonable conclusion possible.
A Reasonable Doubt is such a doubt as would cause a reasonable and prudent person in the graver and more important affairs of life to pause and hesitate to act upon the truth of the matter charged. It does not mean a mere possible doubt, because everything relating to human affairs, and depending on moral evidence, is open to some possible or imaginary doubt

Under our criminal justice system, if there is doubt sufficient to call into question the imposition of a legal sentence that is among the possible sentences for a particular crime, then there is sufficient reason to call into question the conviction itself.

What's more, if we were to try to enact a new standard of guilt for such cases, under which some persons guilty verdicts are deemed to be more "certain" than others, we would immediately come up against two serious problems: one of definition, the other of logistics. The problem of definition arises in how to define what would constitute a guilty verdict about which there is "no doubt about it." DNA evidence, you say? I would remind you that just a few years ago, there was a rash of guilty verdicts in Texas that were called into question as a result of corruption in a couple of DNA labs. I submit there is no definition that would constitute a fail-safe definition in determining which cases meet the standard of certainly you suggest.

Assuming we could surmount the problem of definition, our courts would then be faced with a logistical nightmare. An entire new phase of proceedings would be required, post-verdict and pre-sentencing, to determine whether or not a particular guilty verdict met the standard of certainty that would make it eligible for a death sentence.

Anyone who claims to support the death penalty, then, must accept that there will always be the possibility of wrongful convictions, and therefore wrongful impositions of the death sentence. And if you are going to be at all ethically and intellectually honest, if you are going to support the death penalty, you are really obligated to articulate a rationale that can somehow justify the fact that it is, and will be, sometimes unjustly imposed. If you can't do that, then you have no business supporting it.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
40. NO!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

Why does the state have the right to murder and the citizen of that state not have that same right?

I think murder is abhorrent no matter who does it!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
45. No.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

It is one of the most egregious forms of institutionalized racial bias. More people of color are executed, because they are overrepresented among the poor who cannot afford steller legal representation. More people of color are arrested, increasing the odds that there will be mistakes made.

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
48. Because this is a policy discussion that the two people running for the candidacy are seperated on.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
49. No.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

I used to give respectful answers to people acting like they're trying to get our "opinions". I'd get a multitude of rude and inappropriate replies in response if people didn't like my views.

So, no thanks, because that's exactly what will happen here and has already happened in this thread.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
66. Yep
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

When a criminal kills multiple victims, like the Lane Bryant killings or Timothy McVeigh, or someone like Gacy, I support the death penalty. Of course there are caveats, like the strength of evidence and the type of crimes, but I'm not opposed to the death penalty as a matter of principal. That said, the way it is administered makes it very suspect.

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
54. Hell no. I was pro-death penalty when I was very young, but I have
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

completely changed on that as I've gotten older.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
56. This is a tough question for me. A friend of mine was raped and murdered. She was 7.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

I'm still torn to this day. Her death isn't a subject that I often discuss, since the memory of her death is still painful, nearly 30 years later.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
60. I'm pretty much a no on this..
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

but people like Timothy McVeigh make me wanna throw him off the top of a fucking building like the one he blew up.

Or these parents. This was local for me so I heard it on repeat & I cried and cried...

Police: 3-year-old hung up by feet, beaten, killed in Chester County


There are some people that are so depraved that they shouldn't be allowed to use our resources. They're just. not. worth. it.

Then I remember I'm pretty much a no on the death penalty....and try like hell to remember that. Try.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
68. No. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche
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