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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:56 AM Mar 2016

Well, Now That Southern Blacks Have Voted, Hillary Throws Obama Under The Bus

With the majority of the south taken by Hillary, her husband has switched gears on messaging on his campaign stump speech. Yesterday, Bill said this:

Hillary can 'put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us'


Yep, she hugged Obama tight as she pushed to get the black vote in the south, and now, Obama's awful legacy can be put behind us.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/bill-clinton-hillary-obama-legacy/

She really will say and do anything to get elected.

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Well, Now That Southern Blacks Have Voted, Hillary Throws Obama Under The Bus (Original Post) berni_mccoy Mar 2016 OP
Proof her Progressive rhetoric is BULLSHIT FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #1
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #38
Holy shit, are Bernie supporters still trying to sell that shit sandwich? itsrobert Mar 2016 #2
Nothing has been debunked. Legacy of past 8 years is clearly about Obama. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #3
Yes, obstructionism is awful part of that legacy. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #15
Do you honestly believe Bettie Mar 2016 #20
Except Hillary is raising cash to take back the senate... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #22
Even if the Senate is Bettie Mar 2016 #28
She would face LESS obstruction if we retake the Senate. That's a good thing. randome Mar 2016 #31
"unless that person is willing to rubber stamp any stupid thing Republicans want. Again," Dragonfli Mar 2016 #47
Bernie's working for a Democratic Senate, too. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #80
You fell for a repug/media hit job on Bill brush Mar 2016 #84
Of course workinclasszero Mar 2016 #49
and hiding posts of anyone who reacts. I'm starting to cringe when i see bernie's face because it's MariaThinks Mar 2016 #52
They will hold on to it... quickesst Mar 2016 #53
So Bill will be the "bad cop" in this no-holds-barred campaign Merryland Mar 2016 #4
As Hillary secures the nomination, these desperate misrepresentations will no doubt increase. DanTex Mar 2016 #5
Yup. The signs of a desperate campaign...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #6
"Desperate people do desperate things." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #8
Just like you, when you send me your little love mails. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #12
Keep disrespecting, dehumanizing, and degrading me ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #19
You too? SwampG8r Mar 2016 #45
As he says with no explanation of misrepresentation. There's an ol' saying sweetie... berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #7
By now everyone understands that Hillary-bashers don't understand the meaning DanTex Mar 2016 #9
Everybody knows what he meant. Presidents leave legacies. Not Congress. Only people who can't admit berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #10
If by "everyone" you mean Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald, then sure. DanTex Mar 2016 #14
I have a question for you, Dan. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #40
LOL. I didn't notice that. No relation. I guess some people are just drawn to me... DanTex Mar 2016 #42
I like you but I will keep referring to you as Dan if that's okay. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #43
If he didnt know what she meant SwampG8r Mar 2016 #46
This is helpful? Dem2 Mar 2016 #11
So desperate is today's talking point administered by Camp Weathervane? berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #17
Interesting response Dem2 Mar 2016 #21
Like they said, . . . is this the response of the day? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #58
I haven't the slightest idea how anybody else responds Dem2 Mar 2016 #64
There's nothing desperate about this post. Whether you're a Berner or with Hillary, desmiller Mar 2016 #65
I have no idea what you're talking about Dem2 Mar 2016 #66
I believe that desmiller Mar 2016 #68
OK? Dem2 Mar 2016 #70
Clinton's "the awful legacy" was referring to GOP Congressional obstructionism, not Obama Tarc Mar 2016 #13
Oh, Congress doesn't leave Legacies sweetie. Bill wasn't clearly not referring to them. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #18
Unless you're buying me dinner and then a nightcap, I ain't your "sweetie", Mr. McCoy Tarc Mar 2016 #23
Your interlocutor referred to another poster in Post 7 as "sweetie" DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #44
That comment by that poster tells me all I need to know. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #56
yes, all the smart real democrats know. eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #37
Bill was referring to Obama amborin Mar 2016 #73
No, he wasn't. Continuing to lie about this issue is not going to win you any voters Tarc Mar 2016 #74
How would electing Hillary end the GOP's obstructionism? Marr Mar 2016 #75
Man, the nits are really pickin tonight, ain't they Tarc Mar 2016 #76
Well, if there's some coordinated, behind-the-scenes plot at work here... Marr Mar 2016 #77
You guys like Obama now huh? What next, praise for John Lewis? LexVegas Mar 2016 #16
Seems each group in the establishment backing dem coalition has been dinged HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #24
Oh, is that the strategy? Makes sense, and is consistent with her pattern of cynicism. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #25
Rovian "They didn't build that" out of context bullshit redstateblues Mar 2016 #26
Bill Clinton was clearly referring to Republican obstructionism. Is there any level that the Trust Buster Mar 2016 #27
Acceptance among a group is done in waves. randome Mar 2016 #36
Then why wouldn't he say the last 16 years? WDIM Mar 2016 #39
Actually.....HE DID!!!! UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #60
It actually seems pretty clear to me Mike__M Mar 2016 #67
AA voters expressed many reasons for supporting her 6chars Mar 2016 #29
Perhaps this is the first step in a general election strategy BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #30
Yes I agree w that Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #50
I thought she would protect his legacy WDIM Mar 2016 #32
You mean she isn't already??? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #59
Good point! DJ13 Mar 2016 #78
I'm not a Hillary supporter. However, she's not stupid enough the ladjf Mar 2016 #33
I think you are a Hllary supporter because you don't seem to get it pdsimdars Mar 2016 #61
I get what you are saying and you might be correct. ladjf Mar 2016 #63
So you are what, the 10th person to post this out of context screed? upaloopa Mar 2016 #34
he meant the GOP. God some of you are so.... artyteacher Mar 2016 #35
Another day, another false narrative. Agschmid Mar 2016 #41
And? PBO has been under Bernistan's bus since day one... Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #48
she's so stupid she doesn't realize the general election is coming MariaThinks Mar 2016 #51
Stop lying. Disgusting false smear dbackjon Mar 2016 #54
What would be the motive? treestar Mar 2016 #55
And now that the rust belt has voted she stopped lying about Bernie voting against the auto bailout pdsimdars Mar 2016 #57
******THE OP IS POSTING AN OUT OF CONTEXT STATEMENT BY BILL CLINTON****** uponit7771 Mar 2016 #62
I'm no HRC fan, but I thought it was pretty clear Butterbean Mar 2016 #69
Best news for Hillary: From now on she won't have to polish benches in black churches no more. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #71
In fairness, it was Bill who said it democrattotheend Mar 2016 #72
I guess those black folk just aren't too smart ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #79
If you seriously believe ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #81
Every single Sander supporter knows he was talking Obstructionist congress. Every one. So, if you seabeyond Mar 2016 #82
Unfortunately, there have been so many of these types of attacks Marr Mar 2016 #83
Digusting misrepresentation of what was said. All too typical Sanders supporters' crud. Hoyt Mar 2016 #85
What's disgusting is what Bill said. No need to represent it berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #86
What he said, and has said, about Obama is clear. Not his fault Sanders' supporters are about as Hoyt Mar 2016 #87
If you can get your hands on Clintons diary... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #88
I guess Bill needs to start traveling with an interpreter jillan Mar 2016 #89

Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #1)

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
2. Holy shit, are Bernie supporters still trying to sell that shit sandwich?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:59 AM
Mar 2016

The out of context screwjob has been debunked on DU.

Thanks for playing.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
3. Nothing has been debunked. Legacy of past 8 years is clearly about Obama.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

Dems held both house and senate for 2 of those years. ACA was passed and many more good things accomplished.

There is no way to look at Obama's term and call it an awful legacy, even with the obstructionism.

Keep splainin' away though.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
20. Do you honestly believe
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:20 AM
Mar 2016

that Clinton would face no obstruction? Or that she'd face less obstruction?

Anyone with a "D" after their name is going to face obstruction. That is simply a fact of our world at this time.

Republicans in congress will not work with anyone who doesn't walk their party line and they will have the House until we manage to deal with gerrymandering.

The only way a Democrat will get any cooperation is to adhere to the Tea Party agenda.

I'd like to think that Clinton would not go that far.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
22. Except Hillary is raising cash to take back the senate...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

Ya know, an actual political revolution.

Bettie

(15,998 posts)
28. Even if the Senate is
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

majority Democratic, Senate rules allow for secret holds, silent filibusters...and the House can muck things up too and do on a regular basis.

So, is your contention that Clinton would face no obstruction because congressional Republicans love her so very much?

My point is that saying that there would be no obstruction is simply wrong.

It is not a Clinton or a Sanders issue, it is simply the world we live in at this point.

Anyone with a "D" after their name will face it and it will ramp up unless that person is willing to rubber stamp any stupid thing Republicans want. Again, I'd hope that no one from the Democratic party would do that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
31. She would face LESS obstruction if we retake the Senate. That's a good thing.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
47. "unless that person is willing to rubber stamp any stupid thing Republicans want. Again,"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016

Well they are different people, but very close in ideology, so it is possible Hillary will rubber-stamp a lot of things the Republicans want, I remember how closely Bill worked with Gingrich on rubber-stamping bank deregulation, media consolidation, welfare destruction (err I guess the proper euphemism is "reform&quot or the way Bill put it "an end to welfare as we know it. He was working on SS "reform" with Gingrich as I recall until he was cut short by scandal. Perhaps she will start with that, where he left off on draconian reforms on behalf or her very dear friend and adviser to he Clinton family on "reform" for deficit reduction Pete Peterson.

Bill signed most of what Republicans wanted that we are paying a great price for now. Maybe, that is why Bill believes she can end Obama's legacy including his refusal to rubber-stamp most of their legislation as Bill had (even if Obama did promote some of Republican dream legislation, like Romney care which values human life as commodities, Bronze people left with premium bills for insurance they can't use to get actual care due to deductibles they can't afford, while Gold people get great care with minor deductibles they can pay right out of their parking change and movie money, (all of which has doubled the value of Insurance Co. stock and increased their revenue) and his rubber-stamping of he TPP ready, pen in hand, waiting to sign, but overall refusing to do all or even mot of the Republican's bidding.

Maybe the rubber stamp is already created and lies in her pocket just awaiting her coronation. He does after all know how to be a Vichy collaborator to Republican dream legislation, and he is an expert on his wife as much as anyone might hope to be.
I expect an end to gridlock under another Clinton presidency and all of the things the Republicans dream of passing getting a ready signature, what else could Bill be referring to?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
80. Bernie's working for a Democratic Senate, too.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:38 PM
Mar 2016

No difference in commitment between them on that.

brush

(53,475 posts)
84. You fell for a repug/media hit job on Bill
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

A key phrase was edited out of his remark.

This is what he actually said:

"If you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for [Hillary],” the former president said on Monday.


The bold type is what was edited out:

"before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington"


Any thinking person without an anti-Clinton agenda can clearly see that he was referring to repug obstructionism and trickle down, no regulation, repug pollicies.

This is about the tenth thread from Sanders supporters pushing this lie. And I understand Bernie himself actually tweeted this.

Guys, please stop accepting, believing and spreading these these smears and hurting your credibility.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
52. and hiding posts of anyone who reacts. I'm starting to cringe when i see bernie's face because it's
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

also used as an avatar in nasty posts.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
53. They will hold on to it...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:43 PM
Mar 2016

... like a pitbull with an old tire, or to put it in easier terms... Like a republican holding on to a Clinton smear job.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
4. So Bill will be the "bad cop" in this no-holds-barred campaign
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:03 AM
Mar 2016

I wonder how & if Obama will react - does he care? Does he really support her?

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
12. Just like you, when you send me your little love mails.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

Haven't sent me one in a while though, I'm starting to wonder if you still think of me that way.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
19. Keep disrespecting, dehumanizing, and degrading me ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

You have mastered that...

I am sure that wasn't what Skinner intended when he lifted the five hides = a time out rule.




 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
7. As he says with no explanation of misrepresentation. There's an ol' saying sweetie...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:08 AM
Mar 2016

Just cause you say it ain't so, don't make it that way.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. By now everyone understands that Hillary-bashers don't understand the meaning
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:10 AM
Mar 2016

of the word context. This is why these smears lost their effectiveness and the Democratic electorate didn't buy any of them. At this point the smears are nothing but entertainment for Hillary bashers as they watch her march to the nomination.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
10. Everybody knows what he meant. Presidents leave legacies. Not Congress. Only people who can't admit
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:12 AM
Mar 2016

it, are Hillary fans.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. If by "everyone" you mean Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald, then sure.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:14 AM
Mar 2016

Meanwhile, in the real world, Hillary is trouncing Bernie in the primary. The voters aren't buying what you're selling. Maybe if Bernie supporters had tried flooding the internet with substance rather than misleading smears, it could have gone your way.

But they didn't, and it's not.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
40. I have a question for you, Dan.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:41 AM
Mar 2016

Your interlocutor called you "sweetie".

If I may pry do you have a prior relationship with him or her.


Thank you in advance.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
17. So desperate is today's talking point administered by Camp Weathervane?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:15 AM
Mar 2016

People who talk about the unintended consequence of Hillary's Campaign Message Change are desperate now? Got it. Did you coordinate that on the other site?

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
64. I haven't the slightest idea how anybody else responds
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

Every single word I use are words that I come up with on my own, if you don't like it or if you have comments of your own, please counter using actual arguments. If you're going to toss random accusations at me, that is not my problem, that is your problem.

desmiller

(747 posts)
65. There's nothing desperate about this post. Whether you're a Berner or with Hillary,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:37 PM
Mar 2016

if you support Obama, you should be absolutely offended by this. It's common sense that the only politicians with an 8 year limit (if they win re-election) are the President and the second in command, the Vice President. The President in this case, and the one with an eight year legacy, is, currently, Obama. Calling this post desperate is extremely absurd. Especially when the evidence is right in front of your face.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
66. I have no idea what you're talking about
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

Somebody made some wildly ridiculous nonsensical accusation in the O/P and I commented appropriately. You are not defending the O/P, you appear to saying some random words that make no sense to me.

desmiller

(747 posts)
68. I believe that
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

you do know what I'm talking talk. This so wildly accusation has evidence to back it up. You're just denying to accept it. Your response to my post is proof that you condone Clinton's words. Saying that I'm throwing words out is like calling me crazy, and it's a bit over the top. I'm too much man to rely on a petty jury system that can be easily abused. I'll handle your behind myself. Welcome to my naughty list and good riddance.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
13. Clinton's "the awful legacy" was referring to GOP Congressional obstructionism, not Obama
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

#17: http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

Let us know how well this lying "message" resonates at the ballot box today.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
18. Oh, Congress doesn't leave Legacies sweetie. Bill wasn't clearly not referring to them.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:15 AM
Mar 2016

Being an ex-President and all, he was very clear about his words.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
23. Unless you're buying me dinner and then a nightcap, I ain't your "sweetie", Mr. McCoy
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:22 AM
Mar 2016
A Bill Clinton aide later clarified that the former President was "referring to the GOP's obstructionism and not President Obama's legacy."


It is daft political opportunism to pounce upon a misstatement and attempt to use it for gain, but I guess that's what people do when they've run out of actual substantive arguments.

Tsk.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
44. Your interlocutor referred to another poster in Post 7 as "sweetie"
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:49 AM
Mar 2016

He is going to be buying a lot of dinners and nightcaps.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
75. How would electing Hillary end the GOP's obstructionism?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

Are you saying she'd compromise with them more than Obama has?

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
76. Man, the nits are really pickin tonight, ain't they
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

Funny how 2 replies appear within minutes to a comment I made over 12 hours ago.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
77. Well, if there's some coordinated, behind-the-scenes plot at work here...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

... I'm not in on it.

For the record, I think it's pretty obvious that Clinton wasn't referring to Obama's presidency. That would be a ridiculously self-destructive comment for any Democrat to make, and completely out of character for both Bill and Hillary Clinton. I'm not sure exactly what he meant; whether he was referring to economic policies or Republican obstructionism or what-- but if it was the latter, I don't see how electing Hillary would change anything, that's all.

By the way, I'd like to apologize for my snark in my initial post. I think we're actually on the same page here.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
24. Seems each group in the establishment backing dem coalition has been dinged
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:27 AM
Mar 2016

by the Clintons and the coalition members still hold to their coalition.

This suggests to me that at least the leaders of the coalition groups, but probably also majorities of those groups members, see the coalition as more important than their own groups interests.

Getting dinged and having to rationalize at least creates the potential for pent-up frustration, and thereby the need for an active effort to manage potential break-away groups...

I wonder how much the dinging explains BLM, the Sanders movement, and the apparent anxiety about defections that results in constant inquiries about 'backing the nominee'.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
27. Bill Clinton was clearly referring to Republican obstructionism. Is there any level that the
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders crowd won't stoop to in their desperation ?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. Acceptance among a group is done in waves.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:36 AM
Mar 2016

Some have already admitted Sanders can't win. Others will come around after Arizona. And another 'batch' will wait until Sanders loses New York. But those who wait the longest also carry the most vitriol.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
60. Actually.....HE DID!!!!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

He said the awful legacy of the past 8 years and the 7 years before that. But nice GOP tactic.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
67. It actually seems pretty clear to me
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

(A Bernie supporter, even) that what he was referring to was the economic collapse and its aftermath --eight years-- and the other seven years of Bush before the collapse-- he explicitly referred to Bush economic policy. Considering the odd way he divided the time spans, its plain that he was not dissing President Obama; that would have been "the legacy of the last seven years," and the eight years of Bush before that. So even the campaign's explanation about Republican obstructionism is off the mark. Yes, he could have made his point more clearly, but this whole line of attack about rejecting Obama is wrong.
Sorry fellow Bernie fans. Let's win on real issues.
More meaningful to me is the fact that a former president, and bona fide Historic Figure gave a speech that 800 people lined up to hear, while the day before, more than ten times that many lined up across the street to hear the other guy.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
30. Perhaps this is the first step in a general election strategy
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:32 AM
Mar 2016

Partially blame the last 8 years of rancor on Obama, target moderate Republicans and independents who are horrified by Trump, and assume progressives will hold their noses and vote for Hillary.

The Clintons are tone deaf about how how many people hate Hillary and will never vote for her.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
33. I'm not a Hillary supporter. However, she's not stupid enough the
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

suck up to Obama just long enough to win the primary and then spit in their face before the
general election, not to mention the next primaries in 2020 if she were to be involved.

So, I hate to do it, but I have to disagree with a fellow Bernie supporter on this OP.

It's not totally clear to me what Bill meant by his remarks. I've heard all the sides but it's still
ambivalent at best. Bill either literally meant to dis Obama or he was very careless with his
sentence structure.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
61. I think you are a Hllary supporter because you don't seem to get it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Mar 2016

It isn't just this one, but since the southern primaries have ended (remember how SHE was the candidate to carry on Obama's legacy). . . well, now she has come out on many occassions to say where she thinks he was wrong and she'll do it differently.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
63. I get what you are saying and you might be correct.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:28 PM
Mar 2016

But, I was specifically referring to the flap caused by Bill's remark , followed up by your theory.
My point was that she would have to be politically "suicidal" to suddenly take a chance on loosing
the majority votes in the entire South East just to be able to turn away from Obama based on Bill's
remark.

Trust me, I am not a Hillary support. If you think otherwise, goggle any of my remarks since the start of the primaries. I'm a staunch fan of Senator Sanders.

However, since you had the impression that I was for Hillary, I'm sorry that I even responded to your
post in the first place. Without a doubt, every move she makes is the result of a political calculation
all aimed at getting more money into her bank account.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
48. And? PBO has been under Bernistan's bus since day one...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:00 AM
Mar 2016

So you're pretending to give a shit about him now?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
55. What would be the motive?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

How would it benefit Hillary? Why would she have Bill suddenly throwing Obama under the bus? What votes would she gain? She'd lose votes that way.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
57. And now that the rust belt has voted she stopped lying about Bernie voting against the auto bailout
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

She "evolves" so quickly it makes the head spin.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
72. In fairness, it was Bill who said it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

Bill has always had a more tense relationship with the president than Hillary has. I am not going to assume he spoke for her on this one.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
79. I guess those black folk just aren't too smart ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

... She can fool them, but can't fool those white male millennials.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
81. If you seriously believe ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

... that Bill was talking about the Obama administration when he referred to "the awful legacy of the past eight years", there is no point in discussing it any further.

It astonishes me that anyone would actually think that now that the "black vote in the south" was secured, Hill (or Bill) would do an about-face and trash Obama.

Why would HRC do so? Even if, as you seem to be contending, she was only sticking with Obama in order to get that "black vote", what purpose would there be in distancing herself from him now? There are still AAs and PoCs in the remaining primary states - so why take the risk of losing their support at this stage of the race?

This isn't about Politics 101 - it's about COMMON SENSE 101. And there is absolutely NO common sense to what you're promoting.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
82. Every single Sander supporter knows he was talking Obstructionist congress. Every one. So, if you
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

continue with this lie, it tells who you are. Because we know you know the truth.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
83. Unfortunately, there have been so many of these types of attacks
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

from the Hillary camp, that it's exceedingly hard to take the protestations in this thread seriously.

For what it's worth, I agree with you-- I think it's pretty obvious that, whatever he was referring to, be it economic policy or Republican obstructionism, he was not referring to the Obama presidency.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
87. What he said, and has said, about Obama is clear. Not his fault Sanders' supporters are about as
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:18 PM
Mar 2016

diverse as a gun show or something similar.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
88. If you can get your hands on Clintons diary...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

Flip it open to the page dated October 6, 2015.

It reads "Dear diary, I can't wait until the states with higher percentages of AAs are finished voting. That will be when I really get to hit Obama hard."



jillan

(39,451 posts)
89. I guess Bill needs to start traveling with an interpreter
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

The last 8 years are the last eight years but that's not what he meant. Lol

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