Bernie now leads Hillary in ALL polls against Republicans running for President

[imagine2015]

Monday, March 21

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Clinton 53, Trump 41 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders CNN/ORC Sanders 58, Trump 38 Sanders +20

General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Clinton 48, Cruz 48 Tie
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders CNN/ORC Sanders 55, Cruz 42 Sanders +13

General Election: Kasich vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Kasich 51, Clinton 45 Kasich +6
General Election: Kasich vs. Sanders CNN/ORC Sanders 51, Kasich 45 Sanders +6

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/NY Times Clinton 50, Trump 40 Clinton +10
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders CBS News/NY Times Sanders 53, Trump 38 Sanders +15

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[oldandhappy]

1. Splendid! Thank you.

[amborin]

2. K&R

[hrmjustin]

3. Too bad he is not going to get nominated.

[pdsimdars]

9. And too bad Hillary supporters can't see beyond their Hillary worship to want to win the GE

instead of just want THEIR candidate (to lose).

[hrmjustin]

22. I worship the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, not Hillary.

[imagine2015]

49. I don't believe in ghosts, holy or otherwise.

[hrmjustin]

51. Ok.

[pdsimdars]

70. And what do they say about warmongers like Hillary is?

I say people who wrap themselves in the flag con constitution, usually also wrap themselves in the Bible and don't seem to know what they actually MEAN.

[hrmjustin]

73. God doesn't let me know what he is thinking.

[Betty Karlson]

52. ^this^ and +1000

[anotherproletariat]

114. Do the Bernie supporters admit that his numbers will fall when the right starts their attack?

Assuming he's the nominee.

[HooptieWagon]

33. Lets nominate the weaker candidate,...

whose unfavorables are even higher than Trumps, and whose facing a possible criminal indictment. Yea, great plan.

[hrmjustin]

35. Enjoy your indictment fantasy.

[HooptieWagon]

38. Do you know what Statutory Immunity is, and when it's used?

Might want to do your research.

[hrmjustin]

39. Don't get your hopes up.

Cheers.

[AgingAmerican]

40. Too bad for our chances in the general election

[hrmjustin]

41. Hillary will defeat Trump.

[AgingAmerican]

43. Not according to recent polls

[hrmjustin]

44. Oh?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[AgingAmerican]

45. DWS strategy of hiding the Democratic candidates comes home to roost

Trump 24/7 even on Hillary shilling MSNBC

[hrmjustin]

47. So i destroyed your talking point so now to DWS.

Try something new.

[noiretextatique]

61. Independents don't like her

Neither do youth. She can't even fill a 1200 seat auditorium. And she mighy be indicted. Worst candidate ever.

[hrmjustin]

71. Rallies don't elect people, votes do.

The voters are voting for Hillary over Sanders. And primary electorates are different from the general electorate. I suggest you read those polls again.

[pdsimdars]

76. NO one likes her, or can trust her either.

[hrmjustin]

81. Speak for yourself.

[lunamagica]

84. Millions more have voted for her over Sanders. MILLIONS more

[MADem]

98. LOL! When WSJ has her winning by +13, it's significant!

Damn, they try so hard to throw the FUD around, though...

[Jester Messiah]

78. Probably not.

But hey, go ahead and insist on her anyway. Because that makes so much sense.

[hrmjustin]

80. .

[Jester Messiah]

83. Faith? In HER!?

Well, that's not fair. I do have lots of faith in Hillary. Faith that she'll be a corporate tool, warmonger, and general sleaze-bucket.

[hrmjustin]

87. Enjoy your narrative.

Cheers!

[pdsimdars]

4. And, of course, that means we must have Hillary as the candidate and Bernie should drop out

so we can be sure to win the GE.

I wonder how many were raised in states that had dropped 'critical thinking' out of the school curriculum like Texas wanted to do?

It is obvious to me something is missing in their logical thinking apparatus.

[Lucinda]

5. So?

They mean absolutely nothing at this point.

[pdsimdars]

10. Except to those of us who are serious about winning the GE. To us, this is data, information

the stuff on which you make INFORMED decisions.

[Lucinda]

14. GE polls at this stage mean nothing.

You can be informed about GE match ups until all the elements are in place. At this stage it is just noise and clickbait.

[lagomorph777]

30. It would be noise if it were random...

...but the polls have been very consistent. Bernie has a massively larger margin than Hillary, in any head to head matchup for the GE. I think we need all the margin we can get to allow for the unpredictablility between now and November. I would take a +20 safety margin over +12 any day! And given that we know Donald Dump is going to whack Hillary (already is) on her mounting legal/ethical problems, her margin is sure to erode quickly.

And what if the Repugs manage to dump the Donald? Bernie is the only one who could defeat Cruz or Kasich.

So yeah, noise, long time til election. That's exactly why we need to start with the biggest possible safety margin.

[imagine2015]

54. Polls "mean absolutely nothing" unless Hillary is leading them of course.

Got it!

[Lucinda]

106. Nope. I'm not a fan of polls at all...unless its a day or so away from the primary, and

GE polls this far out indicate pretty much nothing.

[Hortensis]

6. Sierra Blanca. ("What's the hell's that?")

If Bernie wins, everyone will know. Just watch the polls then.

(Yes, I came back and saw it.)

[riderinthestorm]

13. Now THIS is hilarious! !

But not for the reason you think...

Edited to add that if even you, an ardent Hillary supporter couldn't remember it correctly without a gentle prod, then I'm thinking its power to hurt Bernie isn't as great as you think .

[noiretextatique]

67. Especially not considering Hillary's negatives

Including a possible indictment. I hope it happens just to see how it would be spun here.

[Hortensis]

85. That sounds kinda...mean and destructive.

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What is your political orientation, may I ask? Who do you expect to vote for in November?

As for how I would "spin" it, I would be numb with shock and and then outraged enough to kill -- above all at the FBI and Justice Department.

Can you begin to understand what an enormous betrayal of democracy an indictment at this stage would be?

What a betrayal of the rights of all 200 million American citizens eligible to vote it would be to take out a leading candidate for president after the election process had already begun? After millions -- in both parties -- had already made their choices, whole states committed, based on scenarios that were completely wiped out?

That staggering contempt for the American people and our democratic process means it would really be time to grab the torches and head for Washington. Heads might not roll literally, but they would roll.

In any case, this is why I know your...unfortunate (so many other words that leap to mind would get this "hidden&quot hopes and dreams are destined to go unfulfilled. Bless your heart, as we say here in the South.

[noiretextatique]

102. Mean, my ass...it is a possibility

Since she is under investigation. And no, I am not taking any loyalty oaths. And yes, it would be fascinating to see how an indictment...an accusation of breaking the law...would be spun by Hillary supporters who have no problem with her support of fracking, regime change, Wall Street, and Israel extremists . I think the future would be a lot brighter with Bernie Sanders in the White House.

[Hortensis]

103. You can write, so you are literate.

Question to me is, can new ideas penetrate? If you feel like it, read my post and think about it. I wasn't talking about Hillary, but democracy.

Don't answer, please. Just think.

[merbex]

112. Justice is democracy. Subverting FOIA is not democracy.

Having a private server in violation of an Executive Order is not democracy in my view.

Whether an indictment is handed down will be up to a Grand Jury or a Prosecutor after evidence has been put forth that a conviction could be obtained.

Whether a jury will find a person guilty of that, is up to a jury.

Timing is simply how things have fallen since the information came out that there was a private server.

I have thought about it.

I am sick about it.

All Democrats should be aware of the consequences.

They aren't pretty.

[Hortensis]

113. Boo!

Came back in case you are really sick over it. Take care of yourself. That's our first duty to our nation, after all.

[noiretextatique]

63. I'll raise you: Honduras, server scandal, Libya, Clinton Fdn

And possible indictmeny. Then there is the Iraq vote. Sierra Blanca went nowhere, btw.

[Faux pas]

7. Go Bernie!

[Land of Enchantment]

8. Good News, indeed. AND

Bernie pointed this out to Chris Hayes and Anderson Cooper last night to stony silence.

[lagomorph777]

31. Well, a minute later they put up their own poll confirming Bernie's claim!

[Dem2]

11. That's awesome

It's good to know that if he wins the primary he'll have a good chance and being elected in the fall.

[LexVegas]

12. Sympathy polls. nt

[lagomorph777]

32. WTF is a sympathy poll?

People voting for Bernie because they feel sorry for him?

[LexVegas]

46. In a means nothing poll....not at the voting booths. nt

[lagomorph777]

99. So if polls are meaningless to you, why are you reading this thread?

[LexVegas]

100. Same reason you're posting a thread about a guy that has no chance of being in the GE. nt

[lagomorph777]

105. Oh, cool. So you believe Bernie can still pull it off!

'Cause that's why I'm posting in this thread.

Welcome aboard!!

[cosmicone]

15. Meh ... n/t

[still_one]

16. I wonder how many supposed Sanders supporters for the hypothetical match up between

Hillary and some Republican, selected the Republican over Hillary. The vast majority of Hillary supporters have said they will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. Not so with some of the Sanders supporters, especially looking at some of the threads on DU

I would also like to point out that national polls mean very little since States determine winners, not national polls

[Herman4747]

18. Curious phenomenon you observe re Sanders supporters. Why?

Maybe this could help explain it:



Yep, when it comes to honesty & sincerity, not much of a gap between them!

[still_one]

26. Is that your response to my comment on national polls? have fun

[pdsimdars]

88. Well, if that was your support to naitonal polls, you didn't do any better with your dismissal

[lagomorph777]

27. That makes sense: many Hillary supporters simply believe she is "more electable"...

...despite massive polling evidence to the contrary. But they will take any Dem.

Bernie supporters want more than a DINO, and may not bother to vote for lack of change.

[imagine2015]

55. Right! Polls only matter if Hillary leads them!

[RAFisher]

108. The winner of the popular vote almost always wins the electoral vote.

National polls are only meaningless if you don't think there is a corelation between popular vote and electoral votes. I'd say there is a correlation. 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000 are the only years where the winner of the popular vote didn't the electoral college.

[still_one]

109. How are the national polls performed. Is more sampling done in more populous states than less

populous states. Those national polls ambiguous about that, and the MOE. Here is an example:

"
This poll was conducted by telephone March 17-20, 2016 among a random sample of 1,252 adults nationwide, including 1,058 registered voters. Data collection was conducted on behalf of CBS News and the New York Times by SSRS of Media, PA. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones.

The poll employed a random digit dial methodology. For the landline sample, a respondent was randomly selected from all adults in the household. For the cell sample, interviews were conducted with the person who answered the phone.

Interviews were conducted in English and Spanish using live interviewers.

The data have been weighted to reflect U.S. Census figures on demographic variables.

The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups may be higher and is available by request. The margin of error includes the effects of standard weighting procedures which enlarge sampling error slightly.

The margin of error for the sample of 388 Democratic primary voters is six percentage points.

This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-in-national-cbsnyt-poll/


You missed my point entirely. National polls are meaningless, unless more sampling is done in the more populous state then in the smaller states, and in addition, that polling in the populous states has to be in a representative sample, and that is not made clear in most of the national polls conducted.

[MariaThinks]

17. why then is bernie losing the delegate count even before

superdelegates are factored in?

[lagomorph777]

24. Because Hillary has successfully spread the false meme that she is "more electable"

Can we please dispose of that now? Bernie has been consistently more electable for quite a while now, if you bother to look at the polls.

[Ed Suspicious]

29. Early states broke her way.? Are you confused about how this works?

[pdsimdars]

89. yes, early states broke her way because she is a better liar than Bernie

he doesn't like, he just talks about the issues.
But today is the day.

[Loudestlib]

34. Because they poll everyone, not just democrats.

[pdsimdars]

90. Honestly, I keep bringing this up over and over, and they don't seem to get it . . .

for them it's "Hillary has more votes among Democrats so she'll win the GE"

They don't seem to be very good with NUMBERS. . . Democrats are ONLY about 30% of the voters, Independents are 42% and Bernie kills among them.

[Loudestlib]

93. Yep

"Democrats are ONLY about 30%"

Our numbers are steadily declining. I think that people feel like the old guard in the DNC has amassed too much influence and control. It bothers anyone not comfortable with authoritarianism. With the way the DNC chair has been behaving I expect our numbers to drop after this election.

[imagine2015]

59. Because Hillary carried the south, states that will vote for the Republican in November.

[oberliner]

19. Good to know that either one of them would destroy Trump in the general

Some folks here seem to be under delusions to the contrary.

[lagomorph777]

37. Before Trump's attack machine starts, she is weaker than Bernie

But she's far more vulnerable on substantive issues such as legal trouble and war-mongering.

Bernie starts with a massive margin, and doesn't have the baggage. Yeah "Socialist" - that will annoy the McCarthy-era voters. If any are still alive these days. But he wears the badge with honor - people who like strong leaders will appreciate that.

[oberliner]

53. Trump can't win with only white voters

I don't see him getting a lot of non-white voters

[pdsimdars]

92. But you don't seem to know the difference between what is your OPINION and what is data

collected from ACTUAL VOTERS.
Those 2 things are different.

[oberliner]

97. Huh?

The OP shows Hillary Clinton defeating Trump soundly in a general election.

Also, Trump has done very poorly with non-white voters in the Republican primary (not that there is a huge sample size there) and Hillary has done very well with non-white voters in the Democratic primary (with a much larger sample size).

[jcgoldie]

20. The largemouth bass is the most popular pond fish among middle school children

Middle school poll: Bass 52, Catfish 48
Middle school poll: Bass 57, Bluegill 43

... sorry I thought we were just posting results of polls that had zero practical importance.

[lagomorph777]

25. I consider the General Election to have practical importance.

Remember what happened after 2000 and 2004? Bad things for America and the world.

[jcgoldie]

56. i agree

Its the matchup polls in March which are meaningless.

[pdsimdars]

94. says YOU! And you can have your opinion. But don't think that your opinion means anything either

[imagine2015]

60. "polls that had zero practical importance." Unless Hillary is leading them of course.

[jcgoldie]

75. general election matchup polls

Mean nothing until the candidates are chosen and vetted regardless of who is leading.

[pdsimdars]

95. Is "nah ah" all you got?

[JimDandy]

21. We are doomed if Hillary is the nominee.

If she becomes the nominee, I'm not going to forgive anyone who voted for her. Before the last decade, I would have thought anyone who made such a statement as that was being melodramatic. It is now abundantly clear that mine is now a reasonable pronouncement.

[VulgarPoet]

36. Nor will I.

And I'm petty enough to say "I told you so". But what do I know, I'm just one of the pawns that Hillary would throw away in an illegal "intervention".

[MADem]

72. LOL! DOOOOOOOMED, you say?

And for the "Americans Abroad" group:

JimDandy
21. We are doomed if Hillary is the nominee.
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If she becomes the nominee, I'm not going to forgive anyone who voted for her. Before the last decade, I would have thought anyone who made such a statement as that was being melodramatic. It is now abundantly clear that mine is now a reasonable pronouncement.

Your pronouncement is UNREASONABLE, unless your candidate, who has called Clinton his friend for 25 years, is a liar (and I don't think he is a liar). He took money from the Mistress of DOOOOOOOM to secure his Senate seat, and he accepted help from her friends, too.

Disappointment is natural, as is grief, anger, bargaining, and even threats of recriminations, but eventually you'll come to understand that even the Democrat you don't happen to prefer is better than ANY Republican.

[lagomorph777]

23. Bernie is the ONLY one that can beat EVERY repug candidate

Thanks for posting; I was just about to post the same thing.

Bernie has (for at least a month) been far stronger than Hillary in any one-on-one matchup.

Can we please drop the false meme that "Hillary is more electable" ?

[pdsimdars]

96. It's been that way for MONTHS.

[lagomorph777]

104. Yup

Good thing for Hillary, Dems don't believe in reading polls.

[MrMickeysMom]

28. Sorry, HRC supporters can't see anything until they put these on...

[Newkularblue]

42. Dems may not take these numbers seriously..

But you can be sure Republicans are.

Do you really think they'll put up the only 'Republican' Hillary polls better against unless they're fine with her winning?

[MADem]

48. Well, your collars do not match your cuffs.

I stopped scrolling after I hit this bit....

New York: Trump vs. Clinton Emerson Clinton 55, Trump 36 Clinton +19
New York: Cruz vs. Clinton Emerson Clinton 61, Cruz 30 Clinton +31
New York: Trump vs. Sanders Emerson Sanders 53, Trump 36 Sanders +17

I learned in math class that 19 was bigger than 17....


Also--your "headline" appears nowhere at that link.

[imagine2015]

62. That's just a single state poll you posted. Not a national presidential election poll.

[MADem]

77. It's from YOUR link--the one with the "invented" headline.....LOL!!!! nt

[Betty Karlson]

50. Nominate him already! Let's have a landslide on his coattails!

How does swingstate Louisiana sound to you?

[artyteacher]

57. still before people know about him. eom

[Lil Missy]

58. My dogs' hairy asshole could beat trump. n/t

[imagine2015]

64. So are you nominating your dog for President because you think it can do better against Trump?

LOL

Well, Hillary might be able to bark louder!

Well, I couldn't resist .... you set me up!

[Lil Missy]

65. .......

[pdsimdars]

66. I know you guys are confused about who the voters are in the GE

like you keep saying Hillary beats Bernie in the primary (which means NOTHING about the GE), but just so you know, your dog, and his a*hole can't vote in the GE.

Only Democrats, which are ONLY 30% of the voters ( Bernie does good with them), but UNLIKE Hillary Bernie does VERY WELL with the other 70% of Independents and Republicans, and Hillary does not. . . and that other 70% actually does vote in the GE.

[noiretextatique]

69. They like to ignore that

But it cannot be ignored.

[WhiteTara]

68. now if only the democrats would vote for him in the primaries. nt

[imagine2015]

74. Over 80% of Democrats don't vote in the primaries

[WhiteTara]

91. Well, that is a dismal statistic.

no revolution here.

[Ferd Berfel]

79. Yep - That's real clear

Too bad the Clinton people will lie to themselves about this.

[imagine2015]

82. But polls are meaningless unless Hillary leads them! You didn't read the talking point?

[Ferd Berfel]

111. I keep forgetting that

[TheDormouse]

86. K&R

[Trust Buster]

101. I think the terrorist attack in Belgium today speaks to how foolish a poll 6 months out is.

Though, I though Hillary's 20 point lead a week before Michigan would have been enough to show the Berniebots that a poll 6 months out is utterly worthless.

[DrDan]

107. only problem is . . . he is not running against any of the republicans

[imagine2015]

110. Until after the Democratic Party convention.

[GreatGazoo]

115. he is running against ALL of them

[DrDan]

116. perhaps that is the problem with his campaign - one game at a time to use a sports metaphor