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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:17 PM Mar 2016

If HRC wasn't "ignoring the black vote" by staying in after Super Tuesday in '08...

...Bernie isn't ignoring or disrespecting the black vote by staying in now.

Nor is he saying that the votes of southern black people won't matter in the fall.

He was just saying it's unlikely that any Dem, including HRC, can carry any significant number of southern STATES in the fall.

The truth is, other than North Carolina, Virginia and maybe Florida, we have no chance of winning any southern electoral votes this fall.

Bernie lost AA voters on Super Tuesday this year. That doesn't mean the only way he can show respect to those voters is to withdraw before most of the voters in the Democratic nominating process, including most AA voters, can have a say.

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If HRC wasn't "ignoring the black vote" by staying in after Super Tuesday in '08... (Original Post) Ken Burch Mar 2016 OP
Oh Good God! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #1
my thoughts exactly....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #5
Oh, my god. Are people really saying that? I swear if I didn't have so many people on ignore liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #2
Anyone that makes that argument is being hideous. Absolutely hideous. nt stillwaiting Mar 2016 #12
Yeah ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #16
No that isn't the argument that person is making dsc Mar 2016 #18
Actually the whole thread is what I'm linking to. ebayfool Mar 2016 #20
That was never more than another lame attempt at reviving the "grumpy racist" smear. arcane1 Mar 2016 #3
Revive it? They never let go of it. stranger81 Mar 2016 #7
CALIFORNIA has not voted. We are the LARGEST STATE. Stop trying to disenfranchise us. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #4
Those delegates will be shared and most likely the results will be irrelevant to the race hack89 Mar 2016 #11
Can you give me a link? KMOD Mar 2016 #6
What is this in reference to? Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #8
This here meme: Ken Burch Mar 2016 #17
I'm confused..... PragmaticLiberal Mar 2016 #9
He isn't disrespecting the black vote by staying in. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #10
Except that is not what he said and I'm sick of word parsing from the supporters of Ronald Reagan's Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #13
I've never cheered for Reagan. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #14
Bernie wasn;t saying we won't get the votes of southern blacks in the fall Ken Burch Mar 2016 #15
Is someone actually saying that? Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #19

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
2. Oh, my god. Are people really saying that? I swear if I didn't have so many people on ignore
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:20 PM
Mar 2016

I would not be able to visit this website at all, ever.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
18. No that isn't the argument that person is making
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

the argument that person is making is that by saying this

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”

he is disrespecting the black vote. Not by merely staying in the race.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. That was never more than another lame attempt at reviving the "grumpy racist" smear.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

It failed. Again.

onecaliberal

(32,813 posts)
4. CALIFORNIA has not voted. We are the LARGEST STATE. Stop trying to disenfranchise us.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

how many of your states collectively did it take to get 700 delegates?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
11. Those delegates will be shared and most likely the results will be irrelevant to the race
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

it doesn't matter how many total delegates California has - all that matters is the net delegates the winner gets. And that won't be a big number.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
10. He isn't disrespecting the black vote by staying in.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

He's disrespecting the black vote by saying they don't matter if they're in red states.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. Except that is not what he said and I'm sick of word parsing from the supporters of Ronald Reagan's
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

Revisionist Cheerleader on AIDS. The smug straights of DU waltzed right passed that while patting themselves on the backs for being all about the people and anyone who is informed sees that as hugely ghoulish or fully ignorant and neither thing is good.
Meanwhile, Bernie can't talk about electoral politics without the footnote committee explaining the offense in every syllable. Because he speaks, he's racist but Hillary can shit on LGBT and praise monsters while you all cheer. I think the double standard is embarrassing coming out of adult persons.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
14. I've never cheered for Reagan.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:36 PM
Mar 2016

Your camp, on the other hand, lionizes Reagan voters like MannyGoldstein and Elizabeth Warren.

Sorry, BNW, but you're actually going to have make a substantive reply at some point rather than just trying to paint any person you disagree with as the prime enemy of all things LGBT.

Bernie Sanders, his surrogates, his supporters, and his wife have habitually written off the southern Democratic voters, primarily African Americans, by saying they won't win those votes in the general election. Of course, the point's irrelevant, because primaries and general elections are not the same contests. It's astoundingly offensive on its own, but for the camp that had so obsessively tried to link Sanders to MLK, discounting the votes of southern blacks is just two-faced.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
15. Bernie wasn;t saying we won't get the votes of southern blacks in the fall
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

He was saying we won't carry most of those states.

No Dem will ever carry Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana or South Carolina again.

That isn't an attack on southern blacks, it's a comment on the unchangeable white supremacist views of the vast majority of southern WHITES.

And Bernie will do just as well among AA voters and southern white in the fall as HRC would. She can't get any votes there against the GOP that Bernie wouldn't get.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
19. Is someone actually saying that?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

Stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Bernie wants to win, pure and simple. He's not going to win, but why the hell drag in the AA vote?

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