2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSome explanation on what is going wrong in Az at the polls today.
You've been hearing the stories all day about people who checked in to vote couldn't vote because the registration was wrong.
I witnessed it myself when I went to vote. (not me - someone checking in at the same time)
Spoke with someone that has been a registered Democrat his entire life, checked in today and it showed him as a Republican.
People are bringing their voter registration cards in to the polling places to prove that they are registered as a Dem or Rep yet may are showing up as independents, or in the case above - the wrong party.
These people are being forced to cast a Provisional Ballot which does not get counted right away unless the election is too close to call. Or at the very very end, usually after the race has been called.
Hopefully you all know that
This only seems to be happening in Maricopa county, the largest county.
Just heard on our liberal talk radio that earlier this year the Sec of State office or Country Recorders office hired an outside firm to electronically count the ballots.
They feel that the problem happened when the state switched computer systems and info was not transferred over correctly.
And obviously they did not do a trial run. This is probably happening to the repugs as well.
Now this is the important part -
If you are on social media (twitter, facebook, instagram, etc) and you hear of anyone having these problems Tell them to STAY and fill out the Provisional Ballot and to get a receipt.
We need to get an accurate count on the number of people that were disenfranchised today at the polls to PROVE that is was not just a few voters that forgot to change their registration and that it is a problem with the state's system.
Help spread the word.
On another note - turnout is large and polling places are running out of ballots - which is a pile of crap that is happening.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)monmouth4
(9,664 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)AGAIN!
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)is what I'm hearing here. A huge turnout out for Trump.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)"These people are being forced to cast a Provisional Ballot which does not get counted unless the election is too close to call."
Thanks!
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I've been trying to track the law, itself. But so far, I am finding reports of elections where they were counting the provisionals.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But it looks like every state might do it differently? This stuff should be spelled out plainly.
Very frustrating!
Wilms
(26,795 posts)A provisional ballot is given to anyone who is not on the polling locations roster or if the voter was unable to provide a valid form of identification. There are a few reasons why your name was not included on the roster.
You recently moved and did not update your voter information in time
You voted at a polling place not assigned to you
You requested an early ballot by mail
Your voter registration is no longer active or you are not registered at all
If you voted at the correct polling place, provided proper identification and are registered to vote in the county in which you voted, your provisional ballot will be counted.
http://www.azsos.gov/elections/voting-election
jillan
(39,451 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)I wrote elsewhere on the thread that they will first have to verify that the provisional will be allowed. Then they will count it. And that DOES take time.
eomer
(3,845 posts)And that would be even if there are enough of them to change the results of an election. Of course in a proportional delegate primary, counting or not counting them would often change the resulting allocation of delegates, much more often than in a winner-take-all situation.
But the bottom line is that, as I understand it, provisional ballots are typically counted only if the voter goes through a process to resolve the problem that kept them from voting a regular ballot in the first place. That is usually not possible for a voter to accomplish because the bureaucracy blocks out any ability to do so. And most voters don't try anyway, either because they don't know it's required or because they don't take the time to do it.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Thanks!
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Problems in 2000 and 2004, hell, in every election, we find them, we're shocked, yet never are charges brought or wrongs righted.
Then, four years later, same problems.
Where is the FEC, where are the state auditors, why does this happen over and over again?
jillan
(39,451 posts)Hope that doesn't mean DWS!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Twice is coincidence.
Three or more? There's fuckery afoot.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)I've been an election-night result viewer since I was twelve (Nixon/McGovern), and except for the 2000 revelations, I never remember this many cases of questionable polling.
I know that for most of those years all we had to go on was the three TV networks, backed up by AP and UPI the next morning; then we got cable and public radio. Now we have live reports from anyone with a mobile device. Is that the difference? Is it because ordinary people are watching closely now? Or is something really gone wrong with voting?
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Do you think that back before smart phones (or even just personal video recorders) with video capability came about, there were just not as many cops harassing or beating people of color?
In my opinion, shit like this has been going on since the beginning. It's just that now people have a way to get the word out.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I can't find the law, but there are articles referring to them being counted.
But it will take time. They need to first verify it, then count it.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)They will be counted. If an election is really close, I think the number of provisionals will be part of the reportage and consideration before anyone calls it.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Arizona 2012 Provisional Ballots not counted.
On Thursday, more than a hundred people activists, high school students who worked for months to register voters, and voters who said they were forced to use provisional ballots protested outside the election center.
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/11/09/us/20121110_BALLOTS-2.html
The whole story is told at the link.
There was a similar problem in 2004 where boxes of uncounted ballots were found in an Airplane Hanger months after the election.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Long story, but for the people working to increase election integrity, it really helps to keep the info accurate.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)this is out of hand!
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)I've never heard of the AP jumping the gun like this before. Stinks to high heaven!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I hope they get that sorted out. No excuse for that type of incompetence.
Thanks for letting us know.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)The polling place was moved from the fire station that I've voted at for years to a church.
The voting machines were new. You were issued a paper ballot that was fed into the machine.
There was only one race on the ballot. I cast my vote for Bernie and then took my paper to another
machine, and that was it. I'm still not happy with the way votes are cast and counted.
It should be standardized nationwide and verifiable.
The people working the place were very polite and I thanked them for their work.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)primary. I've been a registered Dem since 1971, never changed anything. But, the THING in charge (who resembled Roach Man from 'Men in Black' who was indeed a republican woman) tried to tell me I was not on the rolls. I produced my state registration card and they 'found' me after about 20 minutes. This is bullshit and I really hope AZ laws count ALL provisional ballots. Just creeps me out.
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PADemD
(4,482 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)For all the good that did anyone.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)It was in the upper 80's today... @ what point is it 'suppression'?
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)just check to make sure your registered to vote on service arizona.
https://servicearizona.com/applicationFAQ/voter
you can do other things too -- a very useful site.
jillan
(39,451 posts)The info was different on the system used to check in. It's not just a few people. That's why people need to fill out those provisional ballots so they can get an accurate count.
Like I said, they believe this happened when they went to a different system to count the votes.
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jillan
(39,451 posts)than anything else.
Not putting on that tinfoil hat - yet
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)if you read that evidence and deny that az elections can be stolen, i don't know what to say
we the people have every right to oversee our elections from beginning to end, demanding that right does not require "tinfoil"
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i was sent a democratic ballot.
jillan
(39,451 posts)This was happening today at the polls.
That actually would make sense tho. Because the early ballots were probably sent out from the SoS office, and were different than the computers in polling places? I don't know - I'm just thinking out loud right now
I'm sure we will find out soon enough.
Yay that both of us didn't have any problems except for cancelling out each other's vote.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)can't stand for more than a few minutes.
thank goodness for voting by mail.
did we cancel each other's vote?
jillan
(39,451 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i was a bernie supporter and about 6 weeks ago changed to hillary.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)As are all the members of my extended family. It makes life so much easier. I like to mail mine back and my dh likes to take his in person on election day. But at least he can go straight to the head of the line and drop it off.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)who his choice would have been.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)we were together almost 42.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)So glad I'm on the permanent early voting list.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)and poll workers said that there was nothing they could do.
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pat_k
(9,313 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Who are Hillary supporters.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)people will go home.
Dammit.
JEB
(4,748 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)is Trump.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)tonite.
Laugh away.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Remember that when you are imploring people to vote in November.
-none
(1,884 posts)You know like we do certain other countries? The are international agencies that monitor elections, but we do not allow them to monitor ours. That needs to change.
How can Bernie Sanders draw such big crowds, but get so few votes in so many states? Something is not right.
BTY, Arizona looks kinda like Florida in 2000, except for the Supreme Court appointment. Debbie, is that you?
My bullshit meter is pegging.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Because this sounds like some bullshit.
Several states already have been highly questionable, and enough is enough with this too. Bernie needs to get some legal teams on this and catch whoever is interfering with the vote red-handed.
And why are we not hearing about this happening on the Republican side in any of these same questionable states?
My strong hunch is the DNC is doing this, the wholly owned subsidiary of ClintonCorp.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Being outside the established network of power is part of the "uphill" and the "slog".
But you're right, so I guess I'll try to to chip in.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)Hit the AP's Facebook page. They called it for Hillary with only 2% of precincts reporting, while people were still standing in line to vote and while they KNEW that massive election fraud was taking place with over one million newly registered Democrats (re-registered within the past year) being turned away from the polls: https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Associated-Press-450-West-33rd-Street-NY-NY/123605331021842 You can call or write them as well: (212) 621-1500 Associated Press: 450 West 33rd St. New York, NY 10001