Many Bernie supporters posts are indistinquishable from Rabid Right McCarthyist attacks of HRC

[Bill USA]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by one_voice (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Here's an excellent example of McCarthyism: unsupported charges & demonization of HRC and her suppporters

I always knew that Hillary had it in her

Blatant demagoguery. Wild accusations devoid of any substance.

her willingness to corrupt our political system by allowing corporations to buy her and own her votes.

More unsupported nonsense and branding anybody who supports her as being animated only by evil intentions... demagoguery usually identified with the GOP. This is why I've said in the past that it's hard to tell posts of Bernie supporters from the Rabid Right who are attacking Hillary to help Bernie get nominated so the GOP be victorious in the fall.."We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee."

What I never knew is that there were so many sell outs and denial artists within our own party--who would cheerlead what we all once fought against. Democrats on DU were unified against the neocons and against corporate corruption. I always thought that it would be the Republicans and their followers who would lead us all into more wars and in the corporate takeover of our party.

Rhetoric indistinquishable from the Demagoguery practiced by the Rabid Right...

[Yuugal]

1. How many pols make 150million plus?

From speechifying?

[Vinca]

7. Sssssshhhhh . . . she's a victim.

I don't know of what exactly, but I'm sure the scrutiny is somehow victimizing her. LOL.

[daleanime]

31. +1

[hobbit709]

2. Red baiting didn't work, so now it's time to accuse the other side.

[Bill USA]

16. so you accuse HRC suppporters of "Red-Baiting" now all you need is links...

[Duckhunter935]

52. All you have to do

Is look for the dozens of "socialist" posts by Hillary supporters that were posted as a smear.

[beam me up scottie]

63. How about one who called him a "die hard communist"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1029911

[beam me up scottie]

74. I expect accusations of communism from the ignorant knuckle draggers on the right.

It's the fragging I take issue with.

[djean111]

3. Uh-hunh.

And out.

[Beacool]

4. I just laugh and move on.

The hyperbole and over the top posts are risible.

[NurseJackie]

18. :-)

[Bill USA]

26. Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton - a Sanders supporter's appeal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511562196#post22

[mmonk]

5. HRC supporters are right wingers due to their McCarthy red baiting.

What I just said holds as much weight as what you have said about us.

[Bill USA]

29. again, makiing a charge without backing it up. Got any examples? So I can look at them and decide

if you are right that they are "red baiting".... Sorry, but I'm not inclined to take your word for it.

[Broward]

6. Hillary is a right-winger on many issues.

Why are you supporting her? Are you a right-winger too?

[Bill USA]

25. without citing examples, you statement makes no sense. again, unsubstantiated charges. CAre to try

to provide examples?

IF she is a right - winger why are Republicans spending money to try to keep her form getting the Democatic nomination?

Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders: "We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee"

Republicans aren't just hoping Bernie will be the Democratic nominee for president. They are pitching in to help him!
Republican PACs such as America Rising and American Crossroads, co-founded by Karl Rove as well as Sean Spicer, chief Strategist and spokesman for the RNC, are putting up ads and tweets attacking Clinton and promoting Sen Sanders. It's called picking your candidate, whereby a political party campaigns for the candidate they would rather face in the election.
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[angrychair]

55. What you have done is bullshit

You are linking to specific DU members OPs and ridiculing their respective OP without context or their knowledge. You are "calling them out" and attempting to shame them. That is bullshit.

[Bill USA]

75. your cmnt is so ignorant it really doesn't deserve a response from a serious person but see link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1561970

[Broward]

58. I can see right from left with my own two eyes.

Hillary is to the right on fracking, war, the death penalty, free trade, Wall St. support, etc. That the GOP might even be further to the right (in some cases) doesn't change that Hillary is a right-winger too. I refuse to accept the Third Way and Republican framing on right and left.

[upaloopa]

8. Well we all will have our memories of this primary season

I liken it to talking to a wall. It makes no difference what reality is. The wall doesn't care.

[ibegurpard]

12. can a wall look in a mirror?

[Bill USA]

22. Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton - a Sanders supporter's appeal

here is an article by a Bernie Supporter who makes a plea to fellow Bernie suppporters:


Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton
http://modernliberals.com/bernie-sanders-supporters-must-stop-repeating-gop-lies-hillary-clinton/

Bernie Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have shown a lot of professionalism towards each other as they compete for the Democratic nomination. In comparison to the shitshow that is the GOP race, Clinton and Sanders look like responsible adults discussing issues imperative to the future of Democrats and liberal policies.

~~
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[font size="3"]
I belong to a number of pro-Bernie Sanders groups on social media, and [font color="red"]the sheer volume of anti-Hillary posts by individuals from conspiracy or conservative websites is staggering[/font]. These people link Breitbart, Infowars, March Against Monsanto, The Daily Caller and other websites to make their claim that Hillary Clinton is the worst person ever – or that President Obama was a gay prostitute in his younger days.[/font]

As I have repeatedly stated before, I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, despite our minor differences on science and genetic technology. I switched from No Party Affiliation to Democrat for the first time in years, simply so that I could vote for Bernie.

~~
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Now I stand with Bernie Sanders, [font size="3"]but I’m imploring fellow supporters to level their criticisms of Hillary Clinton based on well-reasoned arguments involving policy, rather than some blog from a conservative website which was designed to be shared in multiple social media groups by people who don’t check their facts before posting.[/font]

If you do not take pragmatism, reason and fact-checking into consideration before voicing your opinion – the GOP is counting on exactly that for a win in November

... this is from a Bernie supporter who pretty much agrees with my assessment of many Sanders supporters posts.

[Armstead]

40. Problem is that Clinton supporters can't tell the difference between....

a well-reasoned critique and "smears" and "conspiracy theories."

I'll acknowledge that, as in all campaigns and movements involving millions of people, there are people who go off half cocked.

But how many posts that raise legitimate questions, critiques about Clinton and the larger issues have I seen characterized as "smears" and "right wing propaganda" or "conspiracy theories" on DU and elsewhere?...Answer -- a lot.

No Clinton is not a member of the Illuminati. (at least I don't think so.) But she sure has a lot of worrisome backers and supporters and allies if one cares about seperating government from the inyterests of Massive Corporate Monopolists ande Wall St banksters. (And I differentiate honest financial institutions from the Mega Banks and corrked bastids.)

[think]

9. Your 1st link goes to a post about Hillary having a GOP neocon as a Foreign Policy Adviser

This GOP foreign policy adviser was advocating for war with Iraq even BEFORE 9/11.

Why would a rabid right winger call Hillary out for using one of their own on her foreign policy team?

[Bill USA]

24. you missed just a little bit of the OP, note quotes from linked post on this forum

Here's an excellent example of McCarthyism: unsupported charges & demonization of HRC and her suppporters

I always knew that Hillary had it in her

Blatant demagoguery. Wild accusations devoid of any substance. (note the excerpt below is from the post that is linked to above)

her willingness to corrupt our political system by allowing corporations to buy her and own her votes.

More unsupported nonsense and branding anybody who supports her as being animated only by evil intentions... demagoguery usually identified with the GOP. This is why I've said in the past that it's hard to tell posts of Bernie supporters from the Rabid Right who are attacking Hillary to help Bernie get nominated so the GOP be victorious in the fall.. "We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee."
(note the excerpt below is from the post that is linked to above: I always knew that Hillary had it in her)

What I never knew is that there were so many sell outs and denial artists within our own party--who would cheerlead what we all once fought against. Democrats on DU were unified against the neocons and against corporate corruption. I always thought that it would be the Republicans and their followers who would lead us all into more wars and in the corporate takeover of our party.

Rhetoric (in the post I always knew that Hillary had it in her) indistinquishable from the Demagoguery practiced by the Rabid Right...

[ThePhilosopher04]

10. You meant to say Hillary supporters

There's zero right wing about Bernie ir any of his supporters. Hillary is the right winger.

[w4rma]

11. I still can't tell the Hillary supporters from a typical Republican. (nt)

[Bill USA]

32. without examples to substantiate your observation you're just babbling meaninglessly.....

[w4rma]

38. Every pro-Hillary post on this thread for example. (nt)

[frylock]

13. Wonderful projection!

Or perhaps I've missed all the red-baiting coming from Sanders supporters. I'm sure you can provide an example.

[m-lekktor]

14. I don't think you even know what "McCarthyism" means.

It's not Bernie supporters who redbait.

[Bill USA]

39. making a charge without providing evidence is one feature of McCarthyism. Got any examples, links??

Don't take this personally, but any evidence you claim to have, must be up for review by others to see that you have accurately characterized the "evidence".

[Bjorn Against]

15. THEM DAMN SOCIALISTS ARE A BUNCH OF MCCARTHYISTS!!!1!!!

[Else You Are Mad]

42. ... SMH

Damn those self loathing socialists!

[mountain grammy]

65. That's funny!

[sufrommich]

17. Yep. K&R.

[PufPuf23]

19. Your opinion is clueless and Hillary Clinton biased partisan demagogery nt

[Bill USA]

41. here's the text from the OP. it cites examples of making charges without any evidence. THese are

examples of McCArthyism, demagoguery and demonization.

from the OP: (which you obviously didn't read)
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Here's an excellent example of McCarthyism: unsupported charges & demonization of HRC and her suppporters

I always knew that Hillary had it in her

Blatant demagoguery. Wild accusations devoid of any substance.

her willingness to corrupt our political system by allowing corporations to buy her and own her votes.

More unsupported nonsense and branding anybody who supports her as being animated only by evil intentions... demagoguery usually identified with the GOP. This is why I've said in the past that it's hard to tell posts of Bernie supporters from the Rabid Right who are attacking Hillary to help Bernie get nominated so the GOP be victorious in the fall.."We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee."

What I never knew is that there were so many sell outs and denial artists within our own party--who would cheerlead what we all once fought against. Democrats on DU were unified against the neocons and against corporate corruption. I always thought that it would be the Republicans and their followers who would lead us all into more wars and in the corporate takeover of our party.

Rhetoric indistinquishable from the Demagoguery practiced by the Rabid Right...
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[revbones]

53. Yes the "Rabid Right" is so often seen yelling about corruption. Not. nt.

[angrychair]

59. This is bullshit

You are linking to specific DU members OPs and ridiculing their respective OP without context or their knowledge. You are "calling them out" and attempting to shame them. That is bullshit.

[Armstead]

20. Hoooohaaaaaaaaa......

[beam me up scottie]

23. This is performance art, right? You guys shamefully and gleefully engage in rabid red baiting.

Even going so far as deliberately confusing Democratic socialism with the Nazi National Socialist party.

Absolutely no sense of self awareness...

[Bill USA]

36. McCarthyism: making charges without providing evidence to back them up. Got any evidence?

Now's your chance to show how clever you are.... just give me some links .... you see we have to examine the evidence to see that your interpretation is valid.

[beam me up scottie]

45. Sure, since you asked I'll be happy to point out what your associates said about Bernie.

Now's your chance to show how clever you are.... just give me some links .... you see we have to examine the evidence to see that your interpretation is valid.

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a pro-Israel Marxist, an old crusty jew, a diehard communist, who belonged to a Soviet-sympathizing kibbutz, a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped, that we should abolish pedophilia or rape laws, is a racist, condescending motherfucker, gun nut, draft dodger, scheming little sneak, socialist throwback jackass, drooling, sweating old fool, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies, thinks that orgasms prevent cancer, wants the guns in the streets, is trying to suppress the black vote, has a nest egg in Israel, is supported by Stormfront and whose supporters are groomed by psychopaths.*

You're welcome.






*note to jury: the op asked for evidence of my "interpretation" with links and I provided some. Since he linked to to other posts it's obviously not against the TOS and posts on DU are a matter of public record. No one was called out by name and this post contains no personal attacks. Thank you for serving.

[chascarrillo]

57. Shame that you were alerted just for providing links that Bill USA requested

Now that, to me, reeks of McCarthyism.

[beam me up scottie]

60. He asked for links and I provided them, some folks don't care for the truth.

The vile anti-Semitism against Bernie is documented, you should see what they post on other websites.

When posters repeatedly smear a member of a minority group and then post hate speech about that group the bigotry is obvious.

[Bill USA]

68. okay, I looked at a few and wrote up two. First one, I agree, not good, the second one, see cmnt.

1.) link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=641703|Israel's #1 shill] okay, point made.

[hr]

2.) pro-Israel Marxist took me to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251941346 "If you think Bernie can win the general election"


from which I quote:

"Unfortunately, if he becomes the nominee Sanders will receive a lot more attention from the press, and especially from the Republicans and their mudslinging followers. The attacks on Sanders will be brutal. Let me state clearly that I don't think any of this will be fair, put politics is a brutal game.

the autheor was describing what others know, that is that the GOP are consummate demonizers who definitely don't play fair. The author asserted he did not think this is fair.

.... therefor: Not an example of HRC supporter demonizing Bernie.

.. so far you are 1 for 2.

I will have to look at the rest of these as I have time. It's quite a list.

.. you 've obviosly put a lot of work into this!

[beam me up scottie]

69. The second is an often used tactic both sides employ to sneak right wing content onto DU.

By posting vile GOP smears and claiming it's for "educational" purposes they are passive aggressively endorsing them.

In my opinion anyone who repeats those kinds of things secretly believes them but won't come right out and say so.

When it's done to Obama I feel the same way.

[R B Garr]

48. Bill, that list from the poster BMus is cut and paste

mostly out of context. She willfully takes things out of context. Zero credibility, and that's being kind. I'm on my phone, but can explain later.

You are right! This irrational Clinton hatred here is worse than RW crap.

[bravenak]

51. It is just Performance Art

[beam me up scottie]

56. The links are there if anyone wants to see for themselves.

Such vile smears and anti-Semitic bigotry on a liberal board, it's shameful.

And don't even get me started on the hate speech that was posted on other sites.

[hrmjustin]

27. Their hatred of Hillary is palpable.

[HooptieWagon]

28. ROFLMAO!

Yall are a laugh a minute.

[Politicalboi]

30. The truth hurts don't it

Hillary's all YOUR'S. You guys will take the fall with her when that time comes.

[arcane1]

33. Why not respond to those posters instead of starting this meta tantrum?

Just when I thought DU was feeling more like a site for grown-ups.

[Bill USA]

46. attempts to demean do not impress me. I made a charge and gave an example. IF you can't deal

with that without trying to put down the one making the charge, maybe you would be better off remaining silent and sucking your thumb.

[arcane1]

47. Just as I figured n/t

[dchill]

34. You are suffering from a low-information diet.

Probably from being allergic to truth. Get that checked out.

[HassleCat]

35. Indistinguishable?

Let me know when my fellow Sandernistas start calling her a lesbian, a communist, a witch (yes, a real witch, not speaking figuratively), a Muslim sympathizer, a Zionist tool, and worse. I realize you think these accusations are unfair toward your candidate, but they are a far cry from what you will hear from the real right wing. The primary objection to Clinton is that she takes money from corporate interests, and does favors for them in return, in contravention of traditional Democratic values. This pales in comparison to what the right wing says about her. As you are about to discover.

[Bill USA]

50. "she takes money from corporate interests, and does favors for them in return" .can yu back that up?

All you gotta do is provide some evidence: "and does favors for them in return". Otherwise you're engaging in McCarthyism, demonization and demagoguery... all antithetical to our system of jurisprudence based on evidence and which threatens our Democratic system of government.

[blackspade]

37. Another bullshit left is right post.

Lame

[Armstead]

44. Four legs good, two legs bad

[gollygee]

43. There are some bizarre ones. I don't know about "many" but I've seen

Several that made me scratch my head. I've seen a couple of weird ones from Hillary supporters too, such as that at Bernie's age, he's been able to accumulate a nest egg of a million dollars, and how that's supposedly a bad thing or weird or something.

[pdsimdars]

49. Many Hillary supporters posts are indistinquishable from Rabid Right swift boat attacks

That Rovian campaign Clinton is running against the most decent man we've had run in decades.

Look in the mirror

[jillan]

61. It's National Puppy Day!

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Do I look like a rabid right winger to you? Ruff Ruff.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

62. It is a bit worrisome that a certain segment of democrats feel that way about Clinton.

Does the blame fall on democrats who voice concerns, or on Clinton herself?

I am worried about this election because I don't particularly find Clinton to be in line with my beliefs and am concerned about her strong-arming the democratic party into some very poor policy choices. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (who worked on Clinton's '08 campaign) has started opening up the party to issues I don't particularly agree with either (See: cozying up to payday lenders).

So... There's probably some legitimate concern. Should our party be immune from criticism?

With regards to specific passages in your post I am concerned about how much money Clinton took from Wall street. She has touted the Frank-Dodd act as something that has done a great job at reining in the banking sector, but the Frank-Dodd act was written with heavy influence from bankers. I work in an industry that works with lending institutions and have seen just how toothless it can be at times. The rich wield their power to fuck the little guy over time and time again it seems. That's why I have tremendous doubts about Clinton.

[Hiraeth]

64. what.the.fuck. welcome to ignore

[mountain grammy]

66. Life's too short..

gotta ignore this demagogue.

[truebrit71]

67. Total fucking bullshit.

[islandmkl]

70. you post a premise...offer a few contextual anecdotes...then claim anyone who refutes your premise..

to not have any 'proof' that you are incorrect...

while nothing you have posted actually proves your premise, by its own definition and label. is remotely accurate...let alone slightly correct...

you are offering a strawman with no straw...which is merely an empty shirt, a pair of pants, and a hat...

all i can surmise is that you must have gotten tired of arguing with yourself...

[John Poet]

71. So rabid-right Republicans complain that

"I always thought that it would be the Republicans and their followers who would lead us all into more wars and in the corporate takeover of our party." ????

If this is "indistinguishable" from rightwing rhetoric to you,
you have serious problems.

Blatant nonsense.

[Bill USA]

72. another example...although I don't know if this is demonization or just screw-ball-mania

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1562203

[one_voice]

76. Locking..

Disruptive meta is not allowed.