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Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:21 PM Mar 2016

Disenfranchisement isn't acceptable...

The fact that there were first hand accounts of election fraud and numerous other examples of eligible voters being disenfranchised should be worrisome to all Democrats. This isn't a Sanders v. Clinton issue, this is an issue all of us should be, regardless of who we support, concerned about. AZ is a GOP stronghold where the Republicans ultimately run the election process. Given the evidence, there is a clear case of election fraud or at least 'negligence' on part of those administrators responsible for the vote. Instead wasting our time and energy by accusing Sanders supporters of being sore losers or accusing Clinton of some sort of conspiracy, we should be focusing on ensuring that the AZ Republican party cannot pull this BS in the GE. This was just their test run..

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Disenfranchisement isn't acceptable... (Original Post) Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 OP
I could not agree more. The electoral infrastructure in Arizona Republican controlled... Raster Mar 2016 #1
Have the Clinton Campaign or DWS spoken out? Downwinder Mar 2016 #2
voters who were misregistered were given provisional ballots. Democratic Party is investigating Bill USA Mar 2016 #4
I live in Phoenix. I have spoken with SEVERAL PERSONS that have always been Democrats. Raster Mar 2016 #8
I'm so tired of saying this over and over again. They don't want to hear it & they don't want to jillan Mar 2016 #10
I COMPLETELY AGREE!!! Raster Mar 2016 #13
Exactly. nt Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #14
she has a whole campaign page about the VRA La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #5
The silence on the Arizona disenfranchisement is deafening. Downwinder Mar 2016 #6
POC have been disenfranchised because of the gutting of the VRA. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #3
Not necessarily in this state. Hillary has her followers, so does Bernie. Raster Mar 2016 #9
yes, which just means that they were BOTH disenfranchised. not one more than the other. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #20
As a Sanders supporter... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #11
BRAVO! Raster Mar 2016 #16
Manufactured outrage cosmicone Mar 2016 #7
More like sour grapes CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #12
And in 2000 you undoubtedly agreed that Gore was a "sore loser." pat_k Mar 2016 #17
There there CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #18
I'd say you and cosmicone are demonstrating your lack of awarness and concern about this ongoing Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #21
Hear, Hear! (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #15
McCain is beatable in November. Trenzalore Mar 2016 #19

Raster

(20,998 posts)
1. I could not agree more. The electoral infrastructure in Arizona Republican controlled...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:32 PM
Mar 2016

...although Arizona has been a red state, it is starting to resemble more purple than red, and the republican powers are not at all happy about it.

This was just a dress rehearsal for the general election.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
2. Have the Clinton Campaign or DWS spoken out?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:35 PM
Mar 2016

they are our leaders or want to be. If they do not support Democrats, who will? The Party has self destructed.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
4. voters who were misregistered were given provisional ballots. Democratic Party is investigating
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

"A party spokesperson said more than 20 voters had called, and that the Arizona Democratic Party is investigating the matter."


"According to 12 News Arizona, poll workers have been giving those mis-registered voters provisional ballots."



http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/arizona-democrats-primary-republicans/

Raster

(20,998 posts)
8. I live in Phoenix. I have spoken with SEVERAL PERSONS that have always been Democrats.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

They could not vote because it appears their party affiliation and registration was changed - and NOT BY THEM - to either Independent or Republican. These people voted Democrat in previous elections.

And we know how those "provisional ballots" work... READ: not counted.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
10. I'm so tired of saying this over and over again. They don't want to hear it & they don't want to
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

understand that problems like this could cost us in the GE.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
13. I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

This is NOT a Hillary vs. Bernie thing!

This is DEMOCRATS being denied the right to cast their ballots!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
3. POC have been disenfranchised because of the gutting of the VRA.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016

if it were easier for POC to vote, Bernie would be losing in even greater numbers. So yeah, it's def not a Bernie vs Hillary thing, no matter what usuncut tells you.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
11. As a Sanders supporter...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

The gutting of the VRA was unacceptable. I have no problem with Hillary getting more votes over Sanders from POC if that meant more were able to vote and more weren't being actively and overtly disenfranchised. I have no problem with a duly elected candidate. That is the beauty of democracy, the people get to vote for whomever they want. I just can't tolerate people having their right to vote stolen from them -- the right to vote transcends individual candidates.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
17. And in 2000 you undoubtedly agreed that Gore was a "sore loser."
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

And perhaps you told the disenfranchised voters in Ohio in 2004 to just "get over it."

Sure, maybe Congress betrayed our most basic principles when they failed to toss out the unlawfully appointed FL electors on Jan 6, 2001.

Maybe they betrayed us again in 2004, by turning a blind eye to the overwhelming evidence put before them when when Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones lodged their formal objection to the OH electors on Jan 6, 2005.

Who gives a crap about Bush's theft of those two elections. It's not like there were any negative consequences of those betrayals.


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. I'd say you and cosmicone are demonstrating your lack of awarness and concern about this ongoing
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

issue.

This is from the day before the election:
Voting Rights 2016: Native Americans Struggle To Overcome Barriers Ahead Of Arizona Elections
“Arizona was one of the states covered under the Voting Rights Act, and when it got gutted, that hurt people here a lot,” said Katherine Yell, director of operations for the Democratic Party in Coconino County, Arizona, which is about 27 percent American Indian. “Arizona has what I like to call draconian voter ID laws. You have to register in advance at least a month before the election, you have to have a photo voter ID with your permanent address on it, which makes it tough for people who travel for work because there’s not a lot of work on the reservations.”
http://www.ibtimes.com/voting-rights-2016-native-americans-struggle-overcome-barriers-ahead-arizona-2340458

This is from March15, Voice of America:
Native American Groups Defend Their Right to Vote
Arizona, which is home to one of the largest Native American populations, in 2014 placed more than 500 registered Navajo voters on what it called a “suspense list” because they lacked proper street addresses. Indeed, as the Nation noted in 2012, Arizona’s voter registration form includes a large box on which Navajo voters can draw the location of their home in order to determine their precinct.
http://www.voanews.com/content/native-american-groups-defend-their-right-to-vote/3238853.html

Notice that the quote from the second link looks back to 2012? Ongoing, not candidate specific voter suppression scandal stemming from the overturning of the Voting Rights Act.
This is stuff you should know. But you don't.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
19. McCain is beatable in November.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

People thinking Hillary conspired with the Republican legislature and Governor need to have their tin foil hat adjusted. This being said Arizona needs to be challenged and cleaned up because McCain is facing a very tough Democratic candidate and may be picked off in November.

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