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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:25 AM Mar 2016

Lobbyists have replaced politicians as the government. Does that bother you?

Most politicians are no longer employees of voters. The are hired puppets who mouth words placed in their mouths by lobbyists who represent Big Money Corporations and Wall Street criminals.

They vote as they are told by their employers, and at the end collect their paychecks by becoming lobbyists themselfes, or are placed in cushy jobs in corporate offices or law firms.

Or if they are really lucky and loyal, they get paid hundred of thousands of dollars for a 40 minute speech.

It is not the corruption of individuals. It is a systemic cancer.

And worse yet, it has become accepted as "the way the system works."

Does that bother You? If so, why do you think we keep falling for this Kabuki Dance?

If it doesn't bother you, can you tell me why that analysis is wrong, despite all evidence to the contrary?

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Lobbyists have replaced politicians as the government. Does that bother you? (Original Post) Armstead Mar 2016 OP
It bothers me greatly hereforthevoting Mar 2016 #1
The influence of corporate lobbyists is damaging, I agree. DanTex Mar 2016 #2
But not enough Gwhittey Mar 2016 #10
Of course I want to stop it. DanTex Mar 2016 #11
It's called bribery AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #3
Bribery is simple corruption...What we have now is much bigger Armstead Mar 2016 #4
It makes me ill. And yes, a systemic cancer. nt MaeScott Mar 2016 #5
It may be making us all ill, considering the effect on the environment and product safety and purity Armstead Mar 2016 #15
It's a National tragedy. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #6
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #7
Thanks. Trying to look at what is lareger than the Tiger Beat Beauty Contest Armstead Mar 2016 #8
It's bothered me for a long time. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #9
It seems like the norm today, but it isn't. It's a distortion of the system Armstead Mar 2016 #12
Corps run the government. Avalux Mar 2016 #13
I agree-- we have to start unembedding this crap. And someone who is embedded won't Armstead Mar 2016 #14
It doesn't seem to bother Hillary supporters AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #16
Look like? It is embracing corruption these days, unfortunately Armstead Mar 2016 #17
Every single morning when I wake up, every single night when I finally pass out. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #18
It bothers the hell out of me. Which is why I don't feed any of them. raouldukelives Mar 2016 #19

hereforthevoting

(241 posts)
1. It bothers me greatly
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

One thing I like to point out is that for everyone who loves small government, if you looked at lobbyists as an extension of government, which I do because they serve no other function, the group's ranks really swells. And these people are not bound by the same types of rules the rest of us are.

As far as why it's something that people are ok with, the first thing I think of is my profession. We have lobbyists though we provide real human services. Those lobbyists are one of the only reason a lot of us can practice on a certain level. But the reason why we need them is that other kittycorner industries have their OWN lobbyists.... ugh! That's just a mess, not people working together for the betterment of all people.

A few positives have trickled out but more than anything it's just wasteful and adds to conflict.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
15. It may be making us all ill, considering the effect on the environment and product safety and purity
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
13. Corps run the government.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:46 AM
Mar 2016

Anyone who thinks otherwise, or thinks the people have true representation are fooling themselves. Electing Hillary will only further cement this fact and push us even further away from democracy.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
16. It doesn't seem to bother Hillary supporters
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:13 PM
Mar 2016

Who now make the Democratic Party look like it's accepting of corruption.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
18. Every single morning when I wake up, every single night when I finally pass out.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:36 AM
Mar 2016

And the Third Way is completely complicit in coprophilic coporatocracy.

I'm honestly, completely and utterly disgusted.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
19. It bothers the hell out of me. Which is why I don't feed any of them.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:08 AM
Mar 2016

Lot of people have killed and died for our country. Seems a shame to throw away that sacrifice with every dollar in the hands of Wall St and multi-national corporations that could care less and in fact do all they can to diminish the efforts of our forefathers.

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