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Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:08 PM

Are you satisfied with the current Democratic establishment?

We've heard a lot of talk about "the Establishment" during this campaign.

Two questions for you:

1. Do you feel that the current establishment adequately represents your interests?

2. Are you basically satisfied with the establishment as it is (with maybe just a few nips and tucks here and there) -- versus
Do you want to see the establishment completely overhauled?

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TheDormouse Mar 2016 OP
2banon Mar 2016 #1
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #3
Chan790 Mar 2016 #6
randome Mar 2016 #7
2banon Mar 2016 #9
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #23
2banon Mar 2016 #32
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #42
randome Mar 2016 #2
HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #12
randome Mar 2016 #17
HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #19
randome Mar 2016 #35
HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #45
revbones Mar 2016 #52
Chan790 Mar 2016 #4
guillaumeb Mar 2016 #26
2banon Mar 2016 #34
840high Mar 2016 #36
SheenaR Mar 2016 #37
SamKnause Mar 2016 #55
ViseGrip Mar 2016 #5
Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #8
2banon Mar 2016 #10
VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #11
UglyGreed Mar 2016 #14
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #24
Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #13
dana_b Mar 2016 #15
Triana Mar 2016 #16
RiverLover Mar 2016 #18
ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #20
bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #21
Myrina Mar 2016 #22
Maedhros Mar 2016 #25
mahina Mar 2016 #27
whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #28
2banon Mar 2016 #38
onecaliberal Mar 2016 #29
mahina Mar 2016 #30
Armstead Mar 2016 #31
LostOne4Ever Mar 2016 #33
auntpurl Mar 2016 #39
sufrommich Mar 2016 #40
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #44
sufrommich Mar 2016 #48
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #49
Scuba Mar 2016 #41
bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #43
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #46
Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #47
Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #50
LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #51
lastone Mar 2016 #53
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #56
Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #54
LWolf Mar 2016 #57
Jitter65 Mar 2016 #58
tokenlib Mar 2016 #59

Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:11 PM

1. number 3

 

please edit post to insert #3 ...

thanks!

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Response to 2banon (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:14 PM

3. what is number 3?

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:18 PM

6. A nice delusion. n/t

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:24 PM

7. I think 2banon meant that the formatting makes it look as if you intended there to be a #3.

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:29 PM

9. the question you asked following #2

 



this line:

Do you want to see the establishment completely overhauled?


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Response to 2banon (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:58 PM

23. That was just to put #2 in context (not a separate question) sry for confusion nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:18 PM

32. hmm. Was it rhetorical?

 

not sure why you didn't separate the second part of #2 as a question separate from the second half of #2.

unless you intended it as a rhetorical question, and I just didn't "get it" the first time around.

sorry i'm simply being dense.

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Response to 2banon (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:25 PM

42. I was trying to clarify

I wanted to make it clear what the choices were, namely (a) as-is vs (b) complete overhaul.

As-is doesn't necessarily mean happy with every aspect of things exactly as they are. For example, Hillary is basically running on a platform of more-of-the-same, but she clearly does want to make a few minor changes here and there. She's obviously opposed to a complete overhaul.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:14 PM

2. Why would anyone be satisfied with anything other than the death of the GOP?

 

So that real progress can be made. But I honestly have to say that I don't know of anything that politicians have done that has affected me in the past two decades or more.

9/11? A little more waiting time at the airport. No big deal. Everything else is sort of theorizing on what might be best. Pushing for minority rights, voting rights, abortion rights, etc. And yes, again in theory, that affects me or my daughters or my friends, but never directly.

Nevertheless, all of those issues need more focus. That's why I vote for the Democratic party. A complete overhaul? Don't see it happening until there are pitchforks in the street -never.
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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:35 PM

12. I'll be sad to see them go. I want a strongly Moderate-Liberal GOP

that pushes the dems further left.

I base that on what I've seen of American foreign policy after the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of capitalization of communism in China, as well as the rush of the American Military Establishment into evangelical Christianity as it faces adversaries identified as Islamic.


Having a strong GOP occupying the center is the best hope for American labor, and all things progressive.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

17. Interesting viewpoint. The death of the GOP would leave a vacuum and that can be dangerous.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with the GOP if they stopped being the Crazy Party. That could actually be a good thing, as you said. Imagine if we had 2 parties vying for the same electorate! Sweet!
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Response to randome (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:51 PM

19. Yes just look at the righward movement of 3rd Way as traditional repubicanism collapses

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:20 PM

35. I think that was more a question of survival. The Reagan Reign left deep-lasting scars.

 

To survive as a party, the Democrats had to tack a bit rightward. The problem now is that they are suffering from a collective PTSD and find it hard to see themselves as anything other than victims. They're still allowing themselves to be bullied.

If they can poke their heads above their bunker mentality and realize the GOP is collapsing, maybe they can start to realize their potential again. And if the GOP manages to right itself and become coherent again, they might be more inclined to move ever leftward to differentiate themselves. Which would be cool.
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Response to randome (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:28 PM

45. No, I don't think they did. What happened was a power shift toward the south

that elevated more conservative dems and the DLC.

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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:56 PM

52. Do you fly a lot?

 

Aside from the tragedy of 9/11 and it being used as a rhetorical weapon in discussing political issues, to your point of it meaning a little more waiting time at the airport.

It actually is a big deal to many. The increased TSA expenses, the corruption of body scanners being required and sold by Michael Chertoff as well as their increased health risks, and so on. I would argue it's much more than the delays I have to face every other week at the airport or even the foot fungus you catch walking through the security line unless you've paid the $80+ to get pre-screened.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:17 PM

4. Two Answers.

 

1.) No. Not even remotely. I view the Democratic establishment as nearly as perfect of an enemy as I view the GOP. I am a believer in the suggestion that "there's only one party and the American people aren't in it."

2.) I'd like to see it overhauled and made less welcoming for DLC types and those fleeing the shit-hole of the GOP.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:15 PM

26. Great answer. I second it. eom

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:20 PM

34. spot the frack on!

 

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:21 PM

36. .+1

 

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:21 PM

37. n/t

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:49 PM

55. ...

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:17 PM

5. Overhaul!

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:26 PM

8. No. Not since '68.

 

The establishment foisted Humpty on us which gave us Nixon.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:30 PM

10. bingo!

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:33 PM

11. Two answers.

1.) Hell the fuck no;

and 2.) Complete overhaul. Extreme Home Makeover-- tear out the walls, torch the ancient insulation, put new insulation up, hang the drywall back, prime and paint, new carpets, new fixtures, new marble countertops-- we're supposed to be the greatest nation in the world? We teach our kids the damnable lie of American Exceptionalism? How about we have our government look and act the part, rather than selling out we the people?

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:40 PM

14. Sounds like a plan

good reply and I second the motion

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:00 PM

24. lol nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:38 PM

13. 1. NO 2. NO 3. Establishment and 99% need to have the playing field leveled (to swipe a phrase

from the establishment itself).

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:40 PM

15. No, No, Yes

I left the Dem party because of the way that it went. I am an independent now but if it went back to the ways of FDR, I would rejoin.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:41 PM

16. No. n/t

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:45 PM

18. No. /nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:52 PM

20. 1. Nope 2. Nope

Nope, nope, nope, etc...

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:54 PM

21. No. 1. No. 2. No. Get rid of the global corporatist elite "leadership". They're OUR class enemies.

 

They are literally killing US.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:55 PM

22. No, and ....

.... I want to see it returned to its FDR roots. If that means a full overhaul, then so be it.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:13 PM

25. My answers:

 

1. No. They have positioned themselves as my political enemies.

2. No. It needs to be disgraced, dismantled and discarded.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:15 PM

27. You can post a poll for these questions :). It's easy

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:16 PM

28. Yes. As a plutocrat, I believe the establishment represents my interests and am quite satisfied.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:22 PM

38. ...

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:16 PM

29. Overhaul, top to bottom. Leave nothing in place currently.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:17 PM

30. Also

1. No
2. No (no to first part of this part, yes to second)

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:18 PM

31. No and No

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:18 PM

33. 1) No 2) No, and I want it overhauled nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:22 PM

39. 1. Yes

The Democratic Party could always do more, but I'm satisfied that it represents my interests in a realistic way, ie, I'm not ever going to get everything I want, because the federal gov't has to decide things for 350m people so there has to be compromise.

2. Yes, I'm satisfied with the establishment the way it is, although gradual progress would always be welcome.

And yes, I am a Hillary supporter.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:23 PM

40. Which Democratic establishment?

I'm satisfied with a whole lot of elected democratic leaders,others not so much. The democrats aren't the Borg,they aren't all the same.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:28 PM

44. no, they're not, but their collective action (or inaction) produces a result

Same as, all the people/factions/parties/agents of the US government are not the same, but their collective action produces a result that the rest of the world regards as the work of "the US government."

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:34 PM

48. Oh bullshit. This "burn it down" nonsense

is Ron Paul grade stupid. Is Al Frankin the enemy? How about John Lewis,or Tammy Duckworth,or Sherrod Brown,or Kirstin Gillibrand or Tammy Baldwin? The list goes on and on. Black and white thinking is dumb.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #48)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:41 PM

49. now that you got that off your chest, what are your responses to questions 1 & 2? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

41. Under DWS, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats ...

 

... and 13 Senate seats.


What's not to like?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:27 PM

43. No! No! and Yes!

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:29 PM

46. 1. Hell no. 2. Overhauled

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:31 PM

47. 1) Hell no! and 2) Completely overhauled

Money has to stop buying our law. That means all of our Establishment has to go (both parties) with few exceptions, because that's the game they are in -- selling our law.

Then we can begin to get more Democratic policies.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:48 PM

50. No, No, Yes. Primarily because there is no recusal of the leadership and their

obvious choice for president.

Leadership of the DNC--ALL UNCOMMITTED SUPERDELEGATES. YEAH, RIGHT!

National Chair: Debbie Wasserman Schultz[9]

Vice Chairs:
Maria Elena Durazo, Executive Secretary–Treasurer of the AFL-CIO[9]

Donna Brazile, political analyst, campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign

Raymond Buckley, Pres.Assn.State Democratic Chairs, Chair of the NH Democratic Party

R. T. Rybak, former Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota

Executive Director: Amy Dacey

Treasurer: Andrew Tobias, businessman, author, and financial self-help guru

Secretary: Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Mayor of Baltimore[10]

Communications Director: Mo Elleithee[11]

National Finance Chair: Henry Muñoz III[9]

In addition, a National Advisory Board exists for purposes of fundraising and advising the executive. The present chair is Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, former U.S. Ambassador to Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016




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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:54 PM

51. a. When did you stop beating your wife? b. Would you do it again?

whatever....

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:58 PM

53. Overhaul

 

Two questions for you:

1. Do you feel that the current establishment adequately represents your interests?
NO - DNC / DWS have completely undermined the democratic process by undercutting the only true liberal in the race, Bernie Sanders.

2. Are you basically satisfied with the establishment as it is (with maybe just a few nips and tucks here and there) -- versus
Do you want to see the establishment completely overhauled?
Overhaul, executive order within the first month of the Sander's presidency will overturn Citizens United and start to rebuild the foundation of representative democracy in this country.

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Response to lastone (Reply #53)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:05 PM

56. but an executive order can't overturn a SCOTUS ruling nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:03 PM

54. You mean Debbie "prison sentences for medical marijuana users" Wasserman Schultz?



In a word, no.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:28 PM

57. 1. Fuck No.

2. No, and Fuck Yes.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:29 PM

58. No, but I won't abandon it either. Hope to help make good changes. nt

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:36 PM

59. #3 burn it down, rebuild and exile New Dem/Third Way to..

..some country as close to hell as possible..

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