I'm resigned to the fact Clinton will be given the party nomination but

[Nuclear Unicorn]

Sen. Sanders needs to stay in as long as the rules permit.

We need to have a long and serious debate about what it means to be a Democrat.

[mythology]

1. Is it really so damn hard for some Sanders supporters to just admit that Clinton

is winning both the popular vote and the delegate count? She isn't being given the nomination. She's winning it because more people are voting for her in the primaries. This is not complicated.

Saying that she's being given the nomination is on par with Republicans deciding to call the Democratic party the Democrat party. It's petty silliness that should go away.

[Armstead]

10. She was given the nomination several years ago

Face it, the Democratic Party is a rigged game these days

[RiverLover]

16. +1

And today, the Democratic Party is what FDR fought against~

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt

[DemocracyDirect]

26. Wow...

Did FDR just call out the Faschists.

Oh this was from the 1940's so it doesn't apply now.

[marions ghost]

17. The inevitability of Hillary as president

is something I've been aware of for years.

Where u been?

[revbones]

29. Republicans have been known to win as well. Does that make their policies and positions ok? nt

[Zira]

73. +10000

[Punkingal]

30. It wouldn't be half as hard to admit if there was a level playing field.

The MSM, the DNC, etc. etc. etc. If Bernie got half the air time others get he would be winning hugely.

[LisaM]

66. I'm going to disagree with you on that.

First, the narrative of no air time is, I think, somewhat disingenuous. With all the debates, town halls, one on one interviews, etc., he's been on a lot.

But I've come to a different conclusion as I more I see of Sanders. He was a guy I genuinely liked and enjoyed listening to on Thom Hartmann over the years (and speaking of air time, Bernie had the gig on Thom Hartmann for a very long time). But the more I get to know Bernie Sanders, the less I see him as someone who is well rounded and has the ability to bring people together. He may have broadened out his speech to include a little foreign policy and a few other things here and there, but overall, he's a one or two issue guy. When you research his record, you learn that he is stubborn and has a serious inability to compromise, even on things like an Amber Alert bill. I don't like his record on guns and domestic violence has claimed many thousands more lives in the United States - tens of thousands more, actually, than have occurred in foreign wars (yes, I'm only counting American lives here, yes all lives matter). I think the more I see of Sanders, the less I think he is running for the right job. I still don't dislike him and of course I'd vote for him, but the more I see of him, the more I feel that he's not a well-qualified candidate.

[Punkingal]

95. Your opinion is as good as mine...we can agree to disagree.

But we will never know for sure, because he hasn't had the airtime. It made me furious on March 15 when every candidate but Bernie got air time for their speeches. And honestly, I would say this if it were anyone else. We don't need the media to choose our candidates for us. I remember back in 2000, the media didn't like Al Gore, they liked W. That turned out great for us, didn't it?

[LisaM]

96. I was at a play that night, actually

I followed the results, but online, so I can't speak to that part of it,

[revbones]

51. Winning won't wash away her corruption and lies.

Also, if the voting issues were to her disadvantage her side would be screaming bloody murder rather than just being ok with it.

[Lucinda]

54. Exactly. She is getting the votes. Period.

[Zira]

61. Let me count the ways it's rigged

nearly no media coverage for Bernie
Suppressed vote at the caucuses - Arizona was blatant but so were other states.
Clinton people in Caucases blatantly miscounting votes - I've seen several videos taken in the caucuses of them miscounting and mis reporting the votes. Ie someone tells them the number and they repeat it right back wrong.
Clinton foundation infiltrating Bernie camp and cancelling events - I'll get the link
DNC being partisan and the ones holding the election - meaning their leader is way pro Hillary
DNC being bought out by the same people who bought and paid for Hillary - again no reason to trust them running an election.


now let me go get that link of the infiltration...

[padfun]

76. Actually you cant say that with certainty

The caucuses, where Bernie does his best, don't release vote counts so you really cant tell what the count is.
So basically you are saying that 61% of statistics are made up.

[Logical]

86. Why is it hard for you to see she is a corporate sell out and a fake and not trusted? nt

[Arkansas Granny]

2. Hillary will not be given anything. She will have earned it.

If Bernie wants to stay in the race, so be it.

[Vattel]

13. Earned it through lies and distortion.

[Zira]

68. With the help of voter suppression, underhanded infiltration in to Bernie Caucas

re-writing her own history and a whole lot of pandering to minorities while knowing she was supporting the opposite of what she was saying and always had been. IE. She had the GEO group - private prison lobby in her super pac while saying she would stop blacks from going to prison so often(that lobby tries to pass bills to get people put in prison more often and for longer). She also said nobody would be tougher than her on climate change while supporting the Keystone XL and Fracking(destroying precious ground water in a time when we are going into massive drinking water insecurity.) She even went to Flint and told them all people deserve clean water. Google Hillary Clinton and fracking and see her in her own words doing speeches all over the world promoting fracking. She also said she was always for Civil Rights even though she was a Goldwater girl and voted against them in the 60's, and voted against gays in the 90's, and even called blacks super predators in a bill to get them locked up longer in the 90's. That, got the black vote this year. Nothing dishonest there?

[DCBob]

3. "given" ??

What utter horseshit.

[NorthCarolina]

7. True, "handed" is probably a better choice of words.

eom

[Armstead]

11. A lot of nudge,nudge, wink, wink all down the line

[DCBob]

19. She has earned every last vote and endorsement.

[SHRED]

28. Speaking is "hard work"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

[Zira]

75. I'm sure she did earn it - including from Wall Street.

[SwampG8r]

90. At what cost did she "earn" them ? Nt

[Cobalt Violet]

4. Not happy that she will be given it also.

But Bernie shouldn't be underestimated. He doesn't have an FBI investigation like hillary does.

[hack89]

5. You meant "earned" didn't you?

or are you questioning the fact that more people voted for her over Bernie?

[dchill]

31. I'll question that "fact" all day long.

[hack89]

32. Of course - how could America turn its back on St Bernie? It had to be rigged.

Its going to be a very tough couple of months for you - and I intend to enjoy every minute.

[dchill]

35. Even if you were right (you're not)

Why on earth would you enjoy it?

[hack89]

37. How would you feel if I spread baseless smears of cheating against Bernie?

make you a little upset? Make you think I was a immature childish whiner perhaps?

[dchill]

39. Baseless smears is something else, altogether.

[hack89]

41. So are you saying Hillary is not cheating? nt

[dchill]

43. I would never say that.

Would you? With a straight face?

[hack89]

45. Like I said - I am going to really enjoy the next few months. nt

[dchill]

46. Loop point set.

Thanks for playing.

[hack89]

47. ok. nt

[litlbilly]

88. this just proves how clueless you Hillarites really are. the fact you cant see it is even more

telling. If she was such a sure thing, why are all of you so angry? mmm interesting.

[SwampG8r]

91. You mean " how did you feel" not if if

Implies it hasnt happened yet.

[revbones]

52. Can you earn something through corruption and lies?

I mean, I guess she tells so many that it could be considered hard work, but still...

[hack89]

57. I see you are going to be a bundle of joy for the next few months

I am going to enjoy it when Bernie finally concedes to reality.

[revbones]

58. I'm not one for schadenfreude

but many will enjoy the devastation to her campaign that happens when the FBI case breaks all over Clinton.

[hack89]

60. You keep clinging to those RW memes

Just remember whose company they put you in.

[revbones]

62. Here's an honest question

Why do people like you and other Hillary followers, seem to think that everything negative about her is just a right-wing meme? I mean, surely you realize that at least some percentage of all the bad stuff has to have some basis in reality.

[hack89]

65. Because you just need to look at the papers, organizations and politicians driving the issue

I have never seen more RW sources posted on DU before. That is why I know it is a RW meme.

[revbones]

67. Right, but here's the thing

I look honestly at the material. I don't discredit the messenger. Not every source on negative information about her is right-wing anyway.

Like the emails. Perhaps some right-wing source also posted one of the more recent issues with her emails - such as the coincidental timing of donations to the Clinton Foundation and arms deals. So I go and read the emails themselves, at least the ones that are publicly available.

Or the mishandling of classified information. I held a top secret clearance for years. I know for a fact that there are people currently in jail for lesser crimes. I know there is an investigation going on that is serious. I don't see how dismissing it out of hand helps discussion of the reality of the situation. The FBI is not some right-wing site. This is what perplexes me.

[JoePhilly]

6. Looks to me like she's earning it with votes and delegates.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. She was given it in the same way the Golden State Warriors were given the Larry O'Brien trophy.

[dsc]

9. gee funny how when women earn something

people tell us that they were given it.

[Armstead]

12. Congratulations...The sexist "anti-sexist" meme of the day

Gee funny how when Hillary is criticized it is always because she is a woman

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. "Gee funny how when Hillary is criticized it is always because she is a woman"

Yep...and not because she's a lying sellout.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

98. Hi. I'm a chick millennial

[workinclasszero]

14. She isn't being given the nomination. She's winning it!

At least 2.5 million more people have voted for Hillary over Bernie.

What part of that do BS'ers not understand?

Its the will of the people, its the democratic process that Sander's fans are fighting for...except in this case!

I wonder why???

[pandr32]

34. This!

[VulgarPoet]

15. Apparently the idea that I always believed in of democrats isn't so.

And as such, I will be walking after Election Day. Easier to move from a rat-infested house than to burn it down and rebuild-- I hear the Democratic Socialists of America are looking for hands.

[Zira]

69. I will likely register as an independent. What's stopped me so far is voting for Bernie.

After that. I don't think I can stay. I wasn't a Republican for the exact same reasons I cannot continue to be a Democrat. I'm against Kissengeresque foreign policy, fracking, Monsanto, keystone xl, private prisons, wallstreet running unregulated, etc. I guess I'm against exactly what Hillary Clinton stands for. I'm a "Liberal" Dem. I don't act like that stuff isn't going on. I'm massively against the TPP. I don't think I can vote for someone for it or be in a party so corrupt and bought out by who I would like to stop. Hillary's superpac says it all. And so does the DNC support for her.

[VulgarPoet]

70. Yeah apparently we're "Far Left Independents".

The fact that that term EXISTS in usage by the Third Way tells me what they are.

[Zira]

72. I've been for the same things the whole 2000's. Dems did NOT get more LEFT.

A whole bunch of Hillary supporters got WAY more RIGHT.

And their excuse is to compare the rights to what they are now and say they aren't like that.

Since they are like the right 10 years ago, I would posture in 10 years they may well be just like the Ted Cruz's of today.

When you're into supporting wall street corruption and all that is bad - fracking, tpp, etc. You tend to go all the way to the dark side.

Just saying.

[VulgarPoet]

74. I've taken to blocking right wing ideology on this site.

Because every time I call it out, I get back this tinny, irritating chorus of "anyone who would say a democrat is like a republican is an idiot".

[Zira]

77. I have too. I got my first hide this week

and I didn't know that was something that could happen and I decided I didn't want anymore so started putting what I could consider right wing trolls calling themselves "Democrats" on my ignore list. I got a 2nd hide posting an article that was unfavorable to Hillary. It was an English newspaper and it came up when I was googling her on something. I won't post more articles on Hillary and I'll put anyone even leaning neocon on ignore.

Ok, just checked. It was last week for those two hides. So ignoring neocons and rightwing trolls is working.

[VulgarPoet]

79. Funny.

I put up something like twelve, thirteen incidents of why I don't think she's fit to be a leader, haven't heard anything about getting a hide for it yet.

[Zira]

80. Probably your news source was better.

I will definitely check my link before ever posting one again. It needs to be mainstream media.

[VulgarPoet]

83. Yeah, that's true. I tried to make sure they couldn't use that tired old meme.

[asuhornets]

18. But Bernie is not a Democrat

Hillary has earned her delegates. Bernie is suing the DNC-he's no Democrat. He won't be dictating to me on how to be a Democrat.

[revbones]

53. Oh noes! The magic 'D' theory!!!!

Guess we should all just go home now.

[asuhornets]

63. If you don't for the Democratic nominee

in November, then yes you can go home..

[revbones]

64. Oh I'm sure many will vote for democratic nominees

but they'll just leave the spot beside Hillary's name blank if she's the presidential nominee. Can't forget those down-ticket races...

[asuhornets]

89. we don't need u to win. n/t

[revbones]

92. Nope, but you do need many like me...

and many that will excuse all her many flaws, corruption and lies.

[One of the 99]

21. We need to have a long and serious debate about the issues.

What it means to be a Democrat sound a little authoritarian.

[Codeine]

22. "Given"?

[CorkySt.Clair]

84. It's the new meme!

The foot stomping and temper tantrums after AZ (and every other state HRC has won) have not had the desired impact, apparently. And by desired impact I mean the results invalidated and the delegates given to Bernie cuz Oligarchs-DNC-Turd Way-DWS-Wall Street!1!11111!

[Lil Missy]

23. She has EARNED the most votes and delegates, so she DESERVES the nomination.

[revbones]

55. Does "earned" = "stolen" in your dictionary? nt

[litlbilly]

87. she has not earned anything yet. Just wait ...

[Trenzalore]

24. "Given"

It will be determined by winning the most delegates. Not handed to her.

[vintx]

25. I'm not resigned to anything.

Phone bank and inform people that they need to check their affiliation on their voter registration.

[LiberalFighter]

42. I agree. Everyone should make sure their party affiliation is correct

on their voter registration where they have closed primaries. Both Hillary and Bernie supporters.

[NowSam]

27. Taken and stolen is not given

But Yes, Bernie needs to see this through. If HillDon ClinTrump Wins then the whole world loses.

[Zira]

81. +10000

[pandr32]

33. He only just joined the Party

Yet he gets to decide "what it means to be a Democrat?" You know he is running for his Senate seat again as an Independent, right?
I guess all the rest of us "Democrats" aren't really. We are just a diverse, inclusive bunch of wannabes who want equal rights for all people, to deal with the climate crisis, to help each other do better and have what we need to thrive, to build on progress, and to tear down patriarchal boundaries that oppress women in every neighborhood. Oh well.

[LiberalFighter]

44. People don't realize that.

In addition, this is the first and probably last time that Bernie Sanders will be an automatic delegate to the Democratic National Convention. He was not a delegate to either the 2008 or 2012 conventions.

Has he really joined the Democratic Party?

[revbones]

56. Why is that supposed to be a problem? nt

[grossproffit]

36. I think it's time to blame the real perpetrator. Math.

[Metric System]

78. Math is hard, y'all.

[artyteacher]

38. well, if he really was a democrat, maybe... eom

[LiberalFighter]

40. There is no such thing as given.

Unless Hillary falters along the way she would have earned it against tough competition.

Whether the rules permit. There are no rules that apply on whether Sanders can remain. He stays in until he decides. His choice. Not the DNC at this point. Not Hillary supporters. Bernie supporters might have some say but the ultimate decision is entirely Sanders.

[Zira]

71. They only want him out because he scares them and makes Hillary look bad

Anyone who vets them sees the opposite ends of the spectrum thing no matter how much she wants to claim she's just like him.

[oldandhappy]

48. voters led by media and DNC

We (all of us) are led in so many ways. I have turned off cable.

[pdsimdars]

49. quitter

[SheilaT]

50. With more than half the delegates still to be awarded,

and given that Bernie did get a few more than Hillary this past Tuesday -- although you'd never know it even here on DU, let alone the Main Stream Media -- it's far too early to concede the nomination to Hillary. Far too early.

[KansDem]

59. Hillary has to win to maintain America's emerging dynasties!!

1980: Reagan/Bush
1984: Reagan/Bush
1988: Bush/Quayle
1992: Clinton/Gore
1996: Clinton/Gore
2000: Bush/Cheney
2004: Bush/Cheney
2008: Obama/Biden
2012: Obama/Biden
2016: Clinton/?

The oligarchs have too much invested in America for it to be a democracy!

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. Given? Okay. n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

93. I'll just leave this here...

[hrmjustin]

97. Elected not given.