Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:45 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
If any of this counts as "progressive", I'll eat my hat.
The Third Way has proven to me that the mantra of "By the people, for the people" where democracy is considered is long dead. Oligarchy; corporate bribery and graft running rampant-- and you want us to support this. I present to you "the real progressive candidate"-- read as immense doubt placed on the entirety of that quote; considering I never knew warmongering and corporatist kowtowing counted for progressivism. The Third Way is not about "by the people, for the people", it's about "from the people, to the corporations". I didn't enlist to fight for a bunch of coprophilic plutocrats. And that is what you want to deliver us to.
Foreign Policy Iraq http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/hillarys-pro-iraq-war-vot_b_9112232.html Syria http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/hillary-clinton-isis-strategy-ground-troops-airstrikes-no-fly-zone-syria Libya http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&_r=0 Saudi Arabia [y'know, the people who made ISIS's brand of Islam] http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/01/10/445291/US-Hillary-Clinton-Saudi-Arabia-/ Honduras http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/exclusive_hillary_clinton_sold_out_honduras_lanny_davis_corporate_cash_and_the_real_story_about_the_death_of_a_latin_america_democracy/ Colombia http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068 Offering federal contracts to Blackwater of all people (Y'know, those people that Chelsea Manning, God help her, leaked had been involved with child sex trafficking)
Social Policy TPP Support https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160129/23451533466/hillary-clinton-flip-flopped-tpp-before-so-big-business-lobbyists-are-confident-shell-really-flip-back-after-election.shtml Destruction of internet freedom http://www.salon.com/2011/12/09/hillary_clinton_and_internet_freedom/ Manhattan Project against encryption http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/ PATRIOT Act support https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton Secure Fence Act https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton H-1B Visa support Corporatist Tax Loopholes
![]() This is the so called pre-ordained candidate for the Democratic Party. And when candidates like this are being fielded, and an Independent who is more democratic than the whole DNC put together has to come in and save the fuckin' party, the establishment has some serious soul searching to engage in, that is, if they still have souls to search. If the Democratic party wants my vote, then they can nominate a candidate who deserves it.
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VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | OP |
vintx | Mar 2016 | #1 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #2 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #3 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #4 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #5 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #6 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #7 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #8 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #12 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #15 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #18 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #20 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #23 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #25 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #26 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #28 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #29 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #31 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #33 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #34 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #37 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #39 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #40 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #41 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #43 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #46 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #49 | |
WhiteTara | Mar 2016 | #56 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #58 | |
BillZBubb | Mar 2016 | #76 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #81 | |
Buddyblazon | Mar 2016 | #19 | |
DanTex | Mar 2016 | #24 | |
Lizzie Poppet | Mar 2016 | #9 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #16 | |
Lizzie Poppet | Mar 2016 | #62 | |
EndElectoral | Mar 2016 | #10 | |
pdsimdars | Mar 2016 | #11 | |
Punkingal | Mar 2016 | #13 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #32 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #38 | |
WhiteTara | Mar 2016 | #60 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #61 | |
WhiteTara | Mar 2016 | #63 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #64 | |
WhiteTara | Mar 2016 | #65 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #66 | |
WhiteTara | Mar 2016 | #69 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #70 | |
Punkingal | Mar 2016 | #42 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #44 | |
BernieforPres2016 | Mar 2016 | #67 | |
dana_b | Mar 2016 | #73 | |
vintx | Mar 2016 | #14 | |
Rebkeh | Mar 2016 | #30 | |
NWCorona | Mar 2016 | #17 | |
Broward | Mar 2016 | #21 | |
FlatBaroque | Mar 2016 | #22 | |
tk2kewl | Mar 2016 | #27 | |
Trajan | Mar 2016 | #35 | |
Scuba | Mar 2016 | #36 | |
Onlooker | Mar 2016 | #45 | |
Mbrow | Mar 2016 | #47 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #48 | |
Dem2 | Mar 2016 | #50 | |
Metric System | Mar 2016 | #51 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #54 | |
Metric System | Mar 2016 | #72 | |
polly7 | Mar 2016 | #75 | |
dchill | Mar 2016 | #52 | |
daleanime | Mar 2016 | #53 | |
closeupready | Mar 2016 | #55 | |
Gwhittey | Mar 2016 | #57 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #71 | |
Faux pas | Mar 2016 | #59 | |
SoLeftIAmRight | Mar 2016 | #68 | |
SHRED | Mar 2016 | #74 | |
MisterP | Mar 2016 | #77 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #78 | |
MisterP | Mar 2016 | #84 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #85 | |
MisterP | Mar 2016 | #86 | |
farleftlib | Mar 2016 | #79 | |
ibegurpard | Mar 2016 | #80 | |
Fuddnik | Mar 2016 | #82 | |
VulgarPoet | Mar 2016 | #83 | |
bvar22 | Mar 2016 | #87 | |
tokenlib | Mar 2016 | #88 | |
Duppers | Mar 2016 | #89 | |
Doctor_J | Mar 2016 | #90 | |
noiretextatique | Mar 2016 | #91 | |
SMC22307 | Mar 2016 | #92 |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:03 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
2. I thought y'all would have figured out by now...
that googling every negative thing you can about Hillary and posting the google dump all over the internet is not a winning strategy. I mean, there must be millions of these across the web, and Bernie is still getting trounced in the actual votes.
Try a different tack. |
Response to DanTex (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:04 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
3. Truth hurts!!! Gotta derail, gotta make Clinton a victim, gotta ..... nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #3)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:05 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
4. It's not "truth" and it doesn't "hurt." Check the delegate totals if you want to see who's hurting.
Response to DanTex (Reply #4)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:10 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
5. Sure it does. It burns. I don't give a * about delegates,
I care about innocent millions around the world suffering d/t warhawks and the lies in western propaganda that enable them.
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Response to polly7 (Reply #5)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:11 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
6. Well, it doesn't burn me, since I care about delegates and not internet smears. YMMV.
Response to DanTex (Reply #6)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:12 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
7. 'Smear's, lol. 'Truth' for all those whose lives have been ended or ruined by it. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #7)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:13 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
8. Like I said, try a different tack. The internet smear approach has failed.
Response to DanTex (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:17 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
12. It's telling that the ruin of lives equates to 'internet smears' for you.
Nothing matters but maintaining your status quo. I get that.
So many around the world though have no say in theirs, or even if they're going to be alive tomorrow because of all of this. Selfish, self-entitled and perfectly suited for who you're supporting who's actually pushed for it and wants more. It's thinking like this that makes me lose all hope for humanity at times .......... then I see people like the OP and know that there are even more that do care and want a voice. You want to shut them up. Try harder though, people aren't stupid. |
Response to polly7 (Reply #12)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:20 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
15. The smear is blaming Hillary for the ruining of those lives.
And what's worse, the people posting these smears are frequently the same ones who are pushing Bernie or Bust, and thereby effectively helping Trump get elected. So you'll forgive me if I don't take their claims of caring about ruined lives seriously. They care about hating Hillary.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #15)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:22 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
18. And that is THE TRUTH.
The rest of your post is false and self-pitying bullshit.
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Response to polly7 (Reply #18)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:24 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
20. What's true is that Bernie or Busters are helping Trump get elected. Anyone who does that
obviously does not care about the suffering of their fellow humans.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #20)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:27 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
23. No, that she caused much of the horror - KNOWING how bad it would be.
I don't care about your election, except that I fear another warhawk with the most brutal weapons and foreign policy on earth - I care about all those who've already been, and will be, targeted.
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Response to polly7 (Reply #23)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:31 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
25. No, she did not "cause much of the horror." That is utterly ludicrious.
Speaking of the most brutal weapons on earth, that's one (of many) really good reasons to do everything in our power to prevent Trump from winning the election. Surely you agree that we should all vote D in November regardless of who gets nominated.
Right? |
Response to DanTex (Reply #25)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:34 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
26. Yeah ................. she did. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #26)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:35 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
28. No she didn't. And you didn't answer my question. Are you voting D in November?
Response to DanTex (Reply #28)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:37 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
29. I just told you. I don't even vote there.
I do however have the right to discuss citizens who are not in the U.S. but are having their lives destroyed in horrible, ugly ways.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511568784 And YES, she did. Please stop assuming people are brainwashed by your MSM and the propaganda you're trying to help spread. Lives of so many are already ruined and many more at risk. Half of Yemen's children are hungry - many have gotten ill and died, or been bombed - cluster bombs have been used - the country is being purposefully destroyed with weapons from Saudi Arabia gotten through deals with her Foundation while SOS. HRW has condemned much of Yemen's ruin as war-crimes. Has she defended this at all? https://thewallwillfall.wordpress.com/ How about using lies to destroy Libya using western funded and trained Al-Qaeda rebels? Has she defended that? How about the ruin of Iraq she not only voted for, but pushed for - that apology 'mistake' seems to be complete bullshit as she fully supported PNAC which explicitly spelled out regime-change in Iraq long before 2003. She later touted it as a business opportunity! How about pushing Romania to allow fracking against the protests of a huge number of the Romanian people - any mention of that? Like I said, please don't assume people are blind to all of this - and you have no say in who comments on it or where they're from - until your foreign policy stops killing, mutilating and making refugees of millions around the world, you have no ability to limit anything, period. |
Response to polly7 (Reply #29)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:39 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
31. I don't see the answer. Is that a "yes" or a "no"?
Response to DanTex (Reply #31)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:45 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
33. Are you twelve? nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #33)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:46 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
34. Yes or no? Why the dodging? Why the personal attacks? Why is this so complicated?
Response to DanTex (Reply #34)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:48 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
37. uhhhh .................. I don't vote there. Did you miss that?
Trying in some super duper sneaky way to get me banned?
You're tricky, DanTex! ![]() |
Response to polly7 (Reply #37)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:50 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
39. Thanks, yes I missed it. Would you be so kind to share your opinion of the Bernie or Bust movement?
I'm assuming you agree with me that it's the most idiotic thing in the world, right? I mean who in their right mind can claim to care about the lives of others and then facilitate a Trump presidency?
And no, I'm not trying to get you banned. BoB is allowed here until the end of the primary. There are plenty of BoBs here, I'm just trying to get your opinion of them. |
Response to DanTex (Reply #39)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:51 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
40. Start a new thread on that. You've derailed this one enough as it is. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #40)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:52 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
41. I think it's relevant to this one, since the people spreading the Hillary-hate are most often
BoBs, which in my mind implies that their concern about the well-being of others is just a facade. Do you agree?
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Response to DanTex (Reply #41)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:56 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
43. You can't even talk about her wrt the suffering she's caused ... no need to take you seriously
at all. Why would I bother with answering to your desperate pleas to help derail? Come on .......... you've got to know how obvious you are. Keep your status -quo - good for you - like I said, millions in the world don't have that ability because of what they've already been subjected to and millions more will suffer for further ambitions. You don't give a * - just say it! Stop with the Bernie bull* - he's not the subject of this thread. Start a new one on him.
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Response to polly7 (Reply #43)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:01 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
46. I did talk about it. It's preposterous to claim that she "caused" things like the Syrian Civil War.
But here's the thing. Bernie has already lost the primary, and it's going to be Hillary vs the GOP. So all this Hillary bashing is pointless. The only relevant question is the one I asked you: how do you feel about Hillary vs Trump?
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Response to DanTex (Reply #46)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:04 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
49. You're hilarious. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #37)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:16 AM
WhiteTara (27,025 posts)
56. Where do you vote? nt
Response to WhiteTara (Reply #56)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:19 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
58. In Canada. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #33)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
BillZBubb (10,650 posts)
76. You are trying to have a discussion with a fanatic. Such an effort is pointless. I suggest IGNORE.
No truth about Hillary is to be admitted in their words. Any rationalization is acceptable.
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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #76)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
81. You are right. And I have no idea how anyone can rationalize anything
she's helped to cause in the ME and NA ....... the facts are out there and have been for years. It's actually kind of stunning to watch.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:22 AM
Buddyblazon (3,014 posts)
19. I think the difference between you and I, Dan...
Is that you simply want to win.
I, in comparison, am interested in the direction our country is headed. Congrats on your win. It obviously means more to you than working for the country we deserve. |
Response to Buddyblazon (Reply #19)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:27 AM
DanTex (20,706 posts)
24. That's not true at all. Yes, I want Hillary to win, and you (presumably) want Bernie to win.
But our reasons for wanting our respective candidates to win is the same: the future of the country. I happen to think that the future of the country would be better under Hillary, and I have my reasons (the main one is I don't think Bernie would hold up to GOP attacks).
Here's the thing. If Hillary were to lose the primary, I would obviously support Bernie in the general. But a substantial number of people here on DU are aligned with the "Bernie or Bust" ideology of letting Trump win if Hillary becomes the nominee. In general (though not always), the harshest Hillary critics are the BoBs. And regardless of how one feels about H vs B, it goes with out saying that nobody who wants to let Trump into the white house cares the slightest bit about where the country is heading. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:14 AM
Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)
9. "...her apology feels more like political calculation than genuine contrition."
Princess Weathervane in a nutshell...
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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #9)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:21 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
16. She later said Iraq should be thought of as a business opportunity.
I knew that before it even began, but to hear it outright was pretty surprising.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:14 AM
EndElectoral (4,213 posts)
10. Thanks for the comprehensive analysis of Kissinger..er...HRC
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:17 AM
pdsimdars (6,007 posts)
11. A nice, LONG list of particulars. . . . that's always a good thing to have around
when they try to convince us to vote for Hillary because, well, she's so awesome . . . . whatever!
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:19 AM
Punkingal (9,522 posts)
13. Impressive OP.
And scary as hell.
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Response to Punkingal (Reply #13)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:43 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
32. I've been compiling this stuff for a month now.
Deadly stuff; I'll probably pass in my forties from some sort of internet-transmitted cancer just compiling all of this shameful dreck in one place.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #32)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:49 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
38. I've been compiling it since before the first bombs were dropped in Iraq, but
have tossed out a lot of it as newer, more detailed info like yours has come out. Don't let it make you sick. But ....... good for you and all of this, it's great that so many care about all the others in this world.
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Response to polly7 (Reply #38)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:23 AM
WhiteTara (27,025 posts)
60. Where were you on this in 2004
When Kerry was running and had voted the very same way as 98 senators? Or were you just happy to have the swift boaters take him down along with election fraud? Such vitriol is interesting.
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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #60)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:24 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
61. I was on another board - always - protesting the suffering of millions. That's where. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #61)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:26 AM
WhiteTara (27,025 posts)
63. My question...
did you exhibit the same vitriol against Kerry as you are now exhibiting against Clinton?
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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #63)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:26 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
64. I expressed the same 'truth' (lmfao at 'vitriol') as I do and did against everyone
involved in hurting others around the globe.
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Response to polly7 (Reply #64)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:27 AM
WhiteTara (27,025 posts)
65. in other words, no.
Response to WhiteTara (Reply #65)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:29 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
66. Now, now ........... don't lie. nt.
Response to polly7 (Reply #66)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:26 AM
WhiteTara (27,025 posts)
69. hmm? BTW Thanks
for your interest in our elections.
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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #69)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:28 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
70. No worries! I have great interest in all elections ........ especially ones that put in place
leaders who've targeted sovereign nations for ruin - those people are my brothers and sisters. I don't restrict my caring by lines on a map.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #32)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:54 AM
Punkingal (9,522 posts)
42. Naw, you won't.
Thank the universe the internet is still here for you to use. I am bookmarking to take advantage of your hard work!
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Response to Punkingal (Reply #42)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:59 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
44. Please do. The more this is blown up, the better. nt
Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #32)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:49 AM
BernieforPres2016 (3,017 posts)
67. Good job
I have never even tried to compile it. If I did, it would have to be via bookmarks because my hard drive probably doesn't have the capacity to store it.
Whenever an issue comes up with Hillary, a 30 second internet search usually produces more stuff than I can handle. |
Response to Punkingal (Reply #13)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:34 PM
dana_b (11,546 posts)
73. very
It's a lot of work to put together all of those facts and to look at her "accomplishments".
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:20 AM
vintx (1,748 posts)
14. By pushing this candidate, the DNC is actively forcing a split in this party. nt
Response to vintx (Reply #14)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:37 AM
Rebkeh (2,450 posts)
30. It's a fear tactic
It's going to fail too. A split, [strike]if[/strike] [strike]when[/strike] if it happens, will be their own doing. Fear is no longer an effective means to [strike]control[/strike] motivate. They have a choice, if they don't take the righteous one, it's on them.
I hope they choose wisely - I remain optimistic. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:22 AM
NWCorona (8,541 posts)
17. I think your hat and stomach are definitely safe
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:24 AM
Broward (1,976 posts)
21. The corporate, neocon takeover of the Dem Party is complete.
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:25 AM
FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)
22. Cuba is undemocratic
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:34 AM
tk2kewl (18,133 posts)
27. U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:46 AM
Trajan (19,089 posts)
35. Excellent compendium ...
BOOKMARK this baby!
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:47 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
36. War is peace, up is down, black is white and Hillary is progressive.
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:00 AM
Onlooker (5,636 posts)
45. Nice campaign piece
In each case, you're presenting a myopic and simplistic view of the situation.
Even on the Iraq vote, one has to factor in the fact that 75% of Americans at the time supported the war and that New York was highly traumatized by 9/11. That was not the case for VT. One also has to consider what Hillary said when voting for the Iraq resolution, when she clearly issued the expectation that this was not a vote for war but a vote for a process that could lead to war. On Libya, that was part of the progressive Obama strategy of supporting the Arab Spring. The Arab Spring did not achieve its ends, but it did demonstrate throughout the region that secular thinking and progressive individuals there have a lot of power. While some of the left have adapted the opportunistic view that it would have been better to leave in place the right wing dictatorship of Qadaffi, that is not a progressive view either. On the Patriot Act, as you noted it passed 98-1. It reflected the profound fear in the nation at the time. If you were an adult in 2001, you would be aware that it was complex emotional time when people were afraid to take subways, go to work in big buildings, etc. Perhaps you're from a boring state like Vermont that terrorists probably wouldn't bother to attack, in which case it is easier to be brave and altruistic. My point is merely that your oversimplifications suggest either you're engaged in political manipulation or you're oversimplifying complex situations. Let's remember, the reason Bernie is able to be as pure as the driven snow was because he was a liberal in a liberal state, did not have deal with a racially, economically, politically, or otherwise diverse population and did not have deal with particularly diverse ideological, political, and religious values. It's very easy to be pure when you aren't facing the headwinds of the opposition. But, if we look at Bernie's record, the one area where in Vermont he had to deal with the headwinds of the opposition, he folded -- he voted against the Brady bill 5 times and has been quite weak on gun control. Now, imagine if his state also had an active right wing, a powerful pro-war lobby, a strong Wall Street contingent, would he have remained steadfast? Certainly, his support for the stealth bomber (profitable to VT) suggests he would not. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:02 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
48. And for anyone who I have on my ignore list
No, I'm not going to fall for the bait as to whether I'm voting D in November.
I vote for policy, not labels, delegates, or endorsements. Like I said. If the Democratic party deserves my vote, they can damn well nominate someone who deserves it. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:05 AM
Dem2 (8,097 posts)
50. Thanks for putting "third way" in the first sentence
I stopped reading there, now to trash this vulgar, but pitiful, waste of electrons.
This is the DU member formerly known as Dem2.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:11 AM
Metric System (6,048 posts)
51. I will never "feel the bern" and luckily I will never have to seeing as he's losing.
Response to Metric System (Reply #51)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:15 AM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
54. You will never, ever ......... because you've never been among the millions
who've felt the 'burn' of lying invasions that have dropped bombs on them, used horrific chemicals that burned people alive and are causing deformities in babies since and now being born, picked up a little cluster bomb toy and had your limbs blown off - been forced to flee from your home and possibly drown at sea.
Of course you haven't felt the bern. These people don't affect your personally. |
Response to polly7 (Reply #54)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:32 PM
Metric System (6,048 posts)
72. That's cute. You're pretending as if Sanders has never voted in favor of military funding.
Response to Metric System (Reply #72)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:36 PM
polly7 (20,582 posts)
75. There's nothing cute about suffering.
Sanders voted to fund necessities for troops who were already sent to fight and possibly die. Would you have preferred he take Rumsfeld's position "You go to war with the army you have!".
Sanders didn't believe in letting people in what were turned into some of the most dangerous places on earth go without the protection and basic necessities they needed to survive. Terrible, eh? |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:14 AM
daleanime (17,796 posts)
53. K&R.....
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:15 AM
closeupready (29,503 posts)
55. She will NOT be getting my vote.
K&R
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:16 AM
Gwhittey (1,377 posts)
57. It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'progressive' is.
nt
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Response to Gwhittey (Reply #57)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:47 AM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
71. You owe me a new cup of tea
because the one I was drinking is now all over the monitor.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:21 AM
Faux pas (10,909 posts)
59. Kickin' for the truth!
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:23 AM
SoLeftIAmRight (4,883 posts)
68. Calling all Hillary supporters ...
This???
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
77. and if you don't like it, uh PRIVILEGE!
Response to MisterP (Reply #77)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:55 PM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
78. All I can do is laugh and add people to my ignore queue when they start going on about that.
I'm three different levels of disadvantaged, and these mfs want to call me privileged... Ain't that some shit?
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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #78)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:23 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
84. don't go on Tumblr: I haven't SEEN a Black gay vet put in a wheelchair by their Amazonian
activism being told they have cis privilege by a straight 19yo suburbanite fresh off their two-quarter theory seminar, but I'm absolutely sure it's happened
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Response to MisterP (Reply #84)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:25 PM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
85. Made that mistake already.
And it probably has tbqh.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #85)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:52 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
86. just look at her campaigning on Latinos: Clinton's proxies
falsely claim Sanders' backers are wicked Whites and that they chanted "English only!"; she runs a heartstrings ad in Spanish about rescuing families from deportation
meanwhile Clinton critics note the tremendous hypocrisy of someone bragging in '14 of toppling regimes in Central America and crowing "send them BACK!" to "teach them a lesson" |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:55 PM
farleftlib (2,125 posts)
79. Great job, VP!
I've read and bookmarked your amazing OP for future reference.
Very glad to give a well-deserved K & R |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:57 PM
ibegurpard (16,402 posts)
80. your hat is quite safe
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:02 PM
Fuddnik (8,846 posts)
82. Sounds like Fascism to me.
That, and corporations running the Government.
She turns 1984 on it's head. |
Response to Fuddnik (Reply #82)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:03 PM
VulgarPoet (2,872 posts)
83. Well hey, her supporters already use Inner Party math.
Much like 2 + 2 = 5 when the Party needs it, somehow, they're capable of breaking laws of mathematics to claim that 0 - 0 somehow equals 1.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:07 PM
bvar22 (39,909 posts)
87. Amen X 1000
Good Compilation.
How can ANYBODY who makes less than $250K/year support Hillary? They are voting AGAINST their own financial interests. I used to ridicule without mercy Working Class American who voted Republican because they were voting AGAINST their own financial interests..... and now the Democratic Party Establishment wants me to do the same? LOL...Never happen. DURec. |
Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:11 PM
tokenlib (4,186 posts)
88. The Third Way always brings out the worst in me..
...I get potty mouth as my vocabulary goes to hell. I really hate those people!!
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:36 PM
Duppers (21,591 posts)
89. Excellent summation.
You couldn't include everything but I'm sure you know the list is longer.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:20 PM
Doctor_J (36,392 posts)
90. She lies every single say
Her bizarre habit of lying about every single issue is just mind boggling.
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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:05 PM
noiretextatique (27,238 posts)
91. Perfect candidate
For the GOP.
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