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Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:53 PM

Privileged Voters?

Why all the vitriol? Why are so many Sanders supporters buying the lies being perpetrated by the right about Clinton?

"Let’s think practically about the election in November."

"How privileged do you need to be to imagine that it’s a good idea to risk the actual lives of vulnerable Americans because you “hate” Clinton?"

"If Donald Drumpf gets elected, how many vulnerable people will be hurt, how many programs cut, how bad will the the economy get under conservative policies? How much damage will be done if Drumpf, an open racist and misogynist, is empowered to command our military, veto bills, and nominate people to the Supreme Court, impacting life in the US for decades to come?"

Read the entire article here: http://qz.com/644985/privilege-is-what-allows-sanders-supporters-to-say-theyll-never-vote-for-clinton/

I voted for Sanders in the Arizona preference primary but I am NOT one who will stay home in November. I will vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination.

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StarzGuy Mar 2016 OP
dana_b Mar 2016 #1
monicaangela Mar 2016 #16
DanTex Mar 2016 #2
closeupready Mar 2016 #18
DanTex Mar 2016 #20
closeupready Mar 2016 #23
DanTex Mar 2016 #28
closeupready Mar 2016 #36
Vattel Mar 2016 #21
DanTex Mar 2016 #24
NurseJackie Mar 2016 #22
DanTex Mar 2016 #27
DanTex Mar 2016 #35
NurseJackie Mar 2016 #37
Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #34
Maedhros Mar 2016 #3
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #4
Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #9
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #10
Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #11
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #14
revbones Mar 2016 #26
djean111 Mar 2016 #5
dana_b Mar 2016 #6
BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #12
closeupready Mar 2016 #17
pdsimdars Mar 2016 #29
Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #7
Politicalboi Mar 2016 #8
LonePirate Mar 2016 #13
closeupready Mar 2016 #15
revbones Mar 2016 #19
pdsimdars Mar 2016 #25
pdsimdars Mar 2016 #30
djean111 Mar 2016 #31
desmiller Mar 2016 #32
ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #33
sheshe2 Aug 2016 #38


Response to dana_b (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:33 PM

16. I'm so glad Clinton has loyalist

She's going to need them.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:06 PM

2. There are a few factors, but in the end it comes down to privilege.

One factor is personal animosity. Some on the far left (and the right) hate Hillary at a personal, visceral level. They don't want her to have the personal success of becoming president, they want to see her fail humiliatingly. They want the schadenfreude.

Another factor is a form of Marxist crisis theory. The idea is that if we can't have a socialist utopia right now, it's actually better if the inequities and injustices of capitalism become more severe, because that will give rise to class consciousness and hasten the socialist revolution. So Trump would be preferable to Clinton, since all the human suffering he causes would "wake people up."

Third, they think that by throwing the election to Trump, they can blackmail the Democratic Party into embracing socialism in future elections. They argue that if the far left stays out and that causes Trump to win, the Dems will finally realize that socialism is the key to winning over voters.


Regardless of justification, what the people making any of these arguments have in common is that they are invariably not the ones that are going to to be suffering. People who stand to be deported or lose their healthcare aren't don't preach the "Bernie or Bust" pro-Trump gospel. It comes from a position of privilege.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:34 PM

18. Privilege is dismissing the graft and corruption as Standard Operating Procedure

 

of our political process and your preferred candidate.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:35 PM

20. That makes no sense at all. How is that privilege?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:36 PM

23. Makes perfect sense. It's upper-middle class white privilege.

 

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Response to closeupready (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:40 PM

28. But how? Explain.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:17 PM

36. I did.

 

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Response to DanTex (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:35 PM

21. Empirical questions are best not addressed from the armchair.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:37 PM

24. "When anger rises, think of the consequences." --Confucius

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Response to DanTex (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:35 PM

22. Excellent reply ...

... and definitely worthy of being an OP!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:40 PM

27. Thanks! I might just do that.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:06 PM

35. I fleshed it out a little.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:29 PM

37. 8^)

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Response to DanTex (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:58 PM

34. Spot on analysis!

 

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:06 PM

3. I will not be bullied, coerced or shamed into voting for a corporate puppet.

 

It has nothing to do with right-wing criticism of Hillary, and everything to do with her lack of integrity, character, and progressive values.

You can go straight to the ignore list.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:07 PM

4. Privilege is the right word. My guess is you wont find many non minority folks

who will risk this monstrosity of a GOP government.


You will find some, sure, but not many.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:20 PM

9. I love the arguments about how non-minority voters must be privileged if they don't vote for the Dem

 

This is a combination of some truly ridiculous things:

1. How can you assume to know the situation or status of anyone that is non-minority? You assume to know their reasons for not voting for Hillary if it comes to that and have come up with "privilege". Another word that one might consider is "principled". Maybe some people don't have this privilege you speak of but still cling to their principles as something tangible and their vote as something to be earned and given rather than tossed out a part of a voting bloc based on fear. I know many Dems who come from a place of no privilege at all and they see Hillary as bad for them and their interests. They have principles and that should not be denigrated simply because you don't like how they plan to vote.

2. We have heard since the beginning of this race that non-minorities, and specifically those who are not black, should not try to persuade minorities to vote one way or another. That we shouldn't be "black-splaining" the candidates, the issues, or their votes to them. That any attempt at this is borderline racist and shows a lack of understanding. Now, I have seen this multiple times, where we are accused of not caring about minorities if we don't vote the way they want us to. It seems as though it is okay to "splain" to everyone else how they need to vote for your best interests but not to listen to anyone else explain their interests and why they lie where they do.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:22 PM

10. BIG BIG BIG difference. Splaining someone into voting for Bernie or Hillary vs splaining

someone into NOT sitting out the GOD DAMN election in November regardless of which of the two is the candidate.

Sorry that you cant see that.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:23 PM

11. When the rule book finally gets printed I'll be sure to read it.

 

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:31 PM

14. Ah, so rules matter to you. As a baseball fan also and Giants fan I can identify

But you see this time, and it really is different this time, rules arent important.

ONE thing only is, and if you cant see it yet, maybe you should never be an umpire.

I am being respectful because I believe we are both liberals, I just want you to consider what you are saying.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:40 PM

26. So you're saying

 

That everyone absolutely must choose between:

A corrupt politician that is bought, and for raising the retirement age, limiting abortion, free trade and under investigation

and

A corrupt politician that buys politicians, is against free trade and overtly racist?


Not a good choice. One wonders why people are inclined to participate at all.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:12 PM

5. Favorite group - Hillary Clinton.

 

Another day, another dozen oddly similar "Bernie But" exhortations to vote for Hillary. Yawn.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

6. lol... good catch.

another one to ignore!

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:27 PM

12. I went straight to the profile and saw that too

Another Hillary supporter claiming that he/she voted for Bernie before going on to post a loyalty oath thread.

Yet another one on Ignore.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:33 PM

17. Ah. That explains it. Thanks.

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:42 PM

29. Amen, Amen and Amen!!!

What is see is that every AM I check in early and it seems that only Bernie people are posting and commenting. . . then later all the "current memes" show up. I think they huddle in the morning to figure out the meme of the day and then they all show up.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

7. We don't have a primary in my state but I'll vote for Sanders in the GE.

 

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:17 PM

8. Why support those who cheat us out?

 

I have no intention of supporting ANY Clinton in the future. And again, it's NOT privilege, it's principle. I don't vote for crooks anymore, I did it in 1992. NEVER again!!!!!!!

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:27 PM

13. How dare you use the Democratic value of empathy to overrule principles! Shame on you!

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:32 PM

15. Privilege is supporting Hillary Clinton despite her corruption and baggage.

 

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:35 PM

19. Are all these posts just focus-grouping which tactic

 

will work best to brow beat people into sucking it up and voting for Hillary if she becomes the nominee?

Looking at your journal this seems to be a repeat of something you asked in Feb.

Obviously "privileged" is the new catchphrase to use in falsely describing why some Sanders supporters have principles and can't vote for someone they view as deeply corrupted and rotten as they do Clinton.

This also plays into the BernieBro myth insinuating it's just privileged white bros and they wouldn't be hurt by all the apocalyptic scenarios painted by the posters if Hillary does not receive all support and Trump or Cruz somehow wins.

One could respond to your quote with "How many vulnerable people will be hurt, how many programs cut, how bad will the economy get under conservative policies - if Clinton is elected?"

If you choose to vote for Clinton, that's your choice. Perhaps leave other's choice in Nov out of it.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:39 PM

25. Great, another of the phoney "I love Bernie but now we should all vote for Hillary" posts

I like what someone put in one of the many other threads on this meme
A MEME, from a Hillary supporter pretending to be a Bernie supporter . . . how original.

Privilege is getting $250,000 for a speech.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:46 PM

30. I have been a long time Hillary supporter, she's the best candidate with the best experience

but I am recently realizing that Bernie has the momentum and support of the people and also the best chance of winning in the General Election and THAT is where we really need to win.
So I urge all my fellow HRC enthusiasts, for the good of the country, start supporting Bernie.
Really
I mean it.
I'm serious
You must believe me.
Besides the FBI is really a Right Wing hate group, Hillary has always been innocent of everything.
Really.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:48 PM

31. :-)

 

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:54 PM

32. No words. Naughty list you go.

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:58 PM

33. Your favorite group is Hillary Clinton. I doubt seriously you voted for Bernie in Arizona primary.

 

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Response to StarzGuy (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:44 PM

38. Kick.

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