I am a democrat today only because of the Bernie Sanders campaign

[hellofromreddit]

I see comment after comment, stating that "Sanders hasn't been a democrat for long enough to do X."

How long after becoming a democrat should I consider myself a worthless nobody?

[Trust Buster]

1. That depends on how long you hang around after Sanders concedes. Only you have that answer.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

7. I love my new DU - Ignore Edition -- welcome to the list

...

[Trust Buster]

9. Then you're not here to truly debate. Off to your bubble.

[morningfog]

41. A lot of people aren't here to debate. And many that do want to debate

have no interest in assholes.

[Trust Buster]

44. I don't have anyone on ignore and have done nothing that justifies being ignored.

[morningfog]

95. No one cares whether you have anyone on ignore.

And who are you to say whether you should be on ignore?

Quit trying to dictate to others.

You've done plenty to be ignored.

[HERVEPA]

107. Other than your asshole response to the original poster?

[Trust Buster]

112. What was it about my response that offended you specifically ?

[HERVEPA]

113. Condescending and Sanders conceding bullshit. But you knew that.

[Trust Buster]

114. That's my opinion. You're too sensitive.

[HERVEPA]

118. It's called taunting. Unnecessary, immature, and stupid.

[Trust Buster]

119. Not taunting at all. It reflects the math.

[HERVEPA]

120. Your wording is taunting. Get a clue.

[Trust Buster]

121. And I think you're being too thin skinned. This is a political forum.

[HERVEPA]

122. Taunting sucks anywhere, political forum or not.

[Trust Buster]

123. Using the term "concede" in regards to a losing candidate is not taunting. It reflects the math.

[HERVEPA]

125. Oh just -- ---- --------

[JudyM]

88. Oh, yes. Bam!

Well done. So sick of that crap here.

[1monster]

73. Yesterday, I noticed that the tread I was reading had scores of posts, but

I could only see about 15 to 20 of them.

So, just for a look see, I logged out and opened DU without logging back on. I perused the same thread again, and saw all of the responses. After reading about ten, and found that the non-ignore version of DU was really harshing my mellow (to use a dated term ).

I'm back on the Ignore version and enjoying DU much more.

(Does anyone else have the problem of some of the ignorees somehow slipping off the ignore list and back into the feed? It seems I've ignored a few posters two or three times and and they still don't stay hidden?)

[2banon]

98. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the ignored named OP do appear on the front page. (if that person

created the OP) That's what I remember explained to me once when the same thing happened to me.

[1monster]

99. Yes, but these are showing up in GDP and Greatest Forums. It's no

biggie. Maybe if you click on the OP on the front page, it takes the poster off the ignore function?

[2banon]

102. I think that's what happens.. not sure.

but I've had the same experience from time to time. I remember last year I had put Pro Sense on ignore at some point after she seemed to stalk me with her blue links that had nothing at all to do with the discussion.

But I'd still see her posts on the front page. I haven't seen her op's in quite sometime, don't know if she changed her identity and M.O. but she doesn't even appear on my "ignore list" anymore.

[Kip Humphrey]

126. Skinner's blanket amnesty reset all those who had been on time-out. Since so many were Hillarians

I'm still catching stragglers and adding them back into my ignore list.

[hellofromreddit]

8. You cannot have things both ways

Sanders is constantly judged for having not been a democrat long enough. No regard given to the future.

I get tarnished with the same brush, but I'm supposed to believe it's about the future with no regard to the past?

[Trust Buster]

10. The song remains the same, only you can determine how long you'll be a Democrat.

[hellofromreddit]

13. Are you here to discuss or to throw slogans and talking points at me?

I have seen no answers from you.

[Trust Buster]

17. Sanders is only a Democrat for this campaign. If you feel the same about yourself, then you

have your answer. That's common sense.

[angstlessk]

24. Sanders is a FDR Democrat, just because the Democratic party

went right of the Eisenhower republicans does not require REAL LIBERALS to claim their mantle!

[Trust Buster]

26. No, he was registered Independent until he needed the DNC infrastructure for his campaign.

[angstlessk]

27. Be is more of a Democrat, as I recall what is a Democrat

Than probably 80% of those who call themselves Democrats...SORRY TO DISAGREE!

[revbones]

31. Why exactly is that a problem?

I see you throw it out over and over, but you have yet to state why that's supposed to be an issue for anyone.

[mythology]

42. He's insulted and belittled the Democratic party

If you're confused go tell people you know that they are ideologically bankrupt and that it would be hypocritical of you to join them among other insults and then ask those people to help you.

I'm guessing some of them would suggest you made your bed and can lay in it.

If it's crappy when Crist did it for politically opportunistic reasons, then it's crappy when Sanders does it for politically opportunistic reasons. It's not like Sanders has apologized for his insults.

[revbones]

89. Hmmm

You said "No, he was registered Independent until he needed the DNC infrastructure for his campaign." and I asked why that was a problem. That's insulting and belittling the Democratic party?

So in your mind, if you are a 'good' Democrat that means that you have never sad anything bad about the Democratic party and are not allowed to going forward?

Is that it?

[tech3149]

108. And they don't deserve it?

To borrow from Helen Mirren "just grow up!"
Sanders is running as a Democrat because our two party system makes any other choice self defeating. Just ask Jill Stein.
If you think that Sanders insults and belittles the Democratic party without just cause I would say you are the victim of ideological blindness that is impervious to any argument I could offer.

[snowy owl]

38. So what? Voting for a label? Give me a break.

What does it matter? Trivial and stupid. We are not voting for a label. Well, maybe you are.

[Trust Buster]

39. A label ? Do you know what it takes to develop a party infrastructure ? Do you know how

much special interest money it took to build that infrastructure, fund campaigns ? Sanders walked right into it and benefiting while claiming that he's against special interest money.

[snowy owl]

47. Just like your local country club

Parties are not country clubs although they are starting to act like it. Stop buying labels and exclusivity and look intellectually at the issues. If you still like HIllary, vote for her. Keep the status quo going.

[hellofromreddit]

30. So I take it that your comment about sticking around wasn't meant as a jab?

It certainly felt like one. But you still have not addressed the question.

It appears that I am a valued swing voter until I'm a faithless new member. So which is it?

[Trust Buster]

37. Look, I can only speak for myself. I value those that are Democrats and don't hack away at

fellow Democratic candidates. I don't value those that have attacked Hillary as bad as I've ever seen Republicans attack her. A lot of Sanders supporters claim they're Independents. Only you can decide if you want to stick it out.

[Fairgo]

20. It's what passes for "debate" these days

I am reminded of pigeons and chess boards.

[Trust Buster]

28. Those that brag about the size of their ignore list aren't tolerant of different opinions.

[Fairgo]

33. Uninformed opinions are like styrofoam peanuts

they take up space and they are not a satisfying snack.

And hey, wanna see a magic trick? Abra cadabra ...
.
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.
POOF
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You just disappeared.

[Trust Buster]

35. Wow, you sure told me. Enjoy your self segregation.

[Lizzie Poppet]

50. That's a steaming load.

No one on my Ignore list is there for anything other than being rude, condescending, untruthful, or suchlike. I have no problem debating issues with Hillary supporters than can actually manage to behave like adults.

[HumanityExperiment]

21. Party over principle...

There are those that stake their territory on party and there are those that stake their territory upon principle

HRC is republican light so the 'party' and her supporters have shifted to the right away from the core principles that have defined the Democratic party all these years

So what's being presented here is either you put on the 'blue jersey' and play for the 'team' or you're 'out' of the 'party'...

[angstlessk]

25. I totally agree...Eisenhower looks like a lefty compared to todays Democrats!

I only hope Bernie can restore the FDR core to the Democratic party

[HumanityExperiment]

36. review of DU posts...

I would like to agree with ya but reviewing many DU posts, and especially those of HRC supporters, of late makes one winch thinking the breadth of shift right the Democratic party has taken

[Jackie Wilson Said]

51. So is this election about you or the millions of Latinos and Muslims Trump will round up

and deport?

[hellofromreddit]

58. That has nothing to do with what I said

Why are you trying to paint me that way?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

59. Right or wrong, are you one of those who cant vote for Hillary?

Dont answer me, I dont care anymore.

I am so sick of this shit.

[hellofromreddit]

60. Then what are you doing here?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

61. Why am I here supporting both Democratic candidates?

Because I thought that was the point of DU.

[hellofromreddit]

62. No. Why are you in this discussion?

You claimed to be sick of this shit and told me that you didn't care about my response.

Seems a strange way tp use a discussion board.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

63. Oh that, yeah, you are right, I am sick and tired of people who dont care

if American Muslims and Latinos are rounded up by the millions and kicked out of the country.

[hellofromreddit]

65. I still don't see what that had to do with my comments.

Why did you bring it up?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

70. Your post begins with the word "I" - that and the content of the post I assumed you

were one of those who wont vote for HRC no matter what, and you are not answering when I ask if that is so.

And as to the why, if you truly dont understand the why, then, wait, sure you do.

Maybe you dont care what happens to others if Trump or Cruz are elected, but you sure as hell understand it.


I have read many of your posts in this thread, I keep seeing me/my/I....

[hellofromreddit]

76. Several others have asked me about myself

Hence the pronouns. In fact, your entire response is about me, so it's hard to address it without referring to myself.

Discussions in the abstract don't go far around here because people prefer to have some kind of focus in their discussions--be it a person, event, etc. By the design of my OP, I'm that focus in this thread, so many of the comment chains look like this one.

You never actually asked me if I would vote for Hillary. You only insinuated that I'm willing to endorse some of the more vile ideas pitched by the republicans. That's not how to get an answer if you truly want one.

Honestly, I'm appalled at the level of discourse around here. Only incendiary threads get any traction--I intentionally made this one much more aggressive than it originally was to see if that would work as expected and it did. The drive-by insult flavor of comments (which is how you chose to introduce yourself to this discussion) is also disappointing. Instead of allowing you and others to steer me towards that same level of pettiness, I've been asking questions and pushing back.

With that said, you have still not addressed the fundamental question in this discussion: how long are new democrats not actually democrats in your eyes?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

78. Still all about you. Not just you, not picking on you, but every single one of you

"Hillary will never get my vote" are the same in this one regard.

It is embarrassing to think that many liberals think like this, but I suspect most of you arent liberals.

I mean jesus christ man, that you would even hesitate to say you would OF COURSE vote AGAINST the GOP!

[hellofromreddit]

81. Follow this link

"Hillary will never get my vote" are the same in this one regard.

It is embarrassing to think that many liberals think like this, but I suspect most of you arent liberals.

I mean jesus christ man, that you would even hesitate to say you would OF COURSE vote AGAINST the GOP!

Tell me what else you assume you know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=77598

[Jackie Wilson Said]

82. You could have and should have said that right up front. This is not a game, but to some

seems so.

Some of us dont care about all the other bullshit, and care only about making sure the GOP does not take the WH.

[hellofromreddit]

87. I agree that this is not a game

I was very careful to give you no reason to attack me, so you simply made one up.

Your behavior is exactly why I hate political parties. They breed it, they cultivate it, and the leaders happily use it as a weapon to divide us for their benefit, not ours.

There is no reason for us to fight with one another during the primary. There is no reason for us to fight with the republican voters during the general. There is near-endless common ground to be had, even with the people you imagine you hate, but people utterly refuse to even look--they'd rather fight among themselves WHEN THEY LITERALLY HAVE NO REASON AT ALL.

The "BernieBros" problem is fucking made up.

All this conspiracy theory bullshit about Hillary rigging the primaries is fucking made up.

Absolutely every single goddamned thing everyone in this forum is fighting about is fucking made up. They're little more than shit being tossed around in a cage full of angry monkeys.

If you would drop that crap long enough to listen, consider, and offer an honest response, you'd make a ton of headway on each and every issue you care to discuss. You are clearly intelligent--I've read quite a few of your comments--so I know you can help fix these problems, but you have to get away from this petty sniping first. Are the republican candidates pushing insane policies? Yes. Should republican voters pressure their leaders to NOT push insane policies? Yes. Will we talk them into that by calling them "repukes" and taking cheap shots? No. Will we change the minds of those republicans by fighting ourselves here? Absolutely not. Millions of people dropping the bullshit and actually holding leaders to account is the real way to fix things. Simply trading off the majority in congress every few years while we call people name does nothing.

The one and only thing I'm genuinely afraid of for this country's future is the ability of political parties to make people think that they should fight with one another instead of fighting with the assholes who do the damage. Bush retires to his ranch, the democrats in congress straight-up refuse to prosecute obvious war crimes, you fight with me, and my old friends and everyone else who died in Iraq continue to rot in the cold ground. You think maybe some of that energy needs to be redirected just a tad?

If Bernie gets elected, good, I like him. If Clinton gets elected, good, I like her. If Trump gets elected, well I'll cope. Either way, I'll write letters, I'll make calls, I'll talk to people in person, I'll join protests, etc. to relentlessly pressure THEM. It's my job as a citizen. But I will not be herded into attacking my compatriots.

Not even the assholes.

[Boomer4Bernie]

106. You have proven your point

I (probably like you, @hellofromreddit) have not even decided whether or not to vote for Hillary. However the flavor of many of the comments in this thread certainly does not help to persuade me.

I wonder how I would be regarded by these so-called loyal Democrats. I registered as a big D 45 years ago. Is that long enough? But wait, I changed to Independent when the big Ds swung too far to the right. So I think I would not be considered sufficiently loyal.

So perhaps the question is: What is a big D Democrat? Is it someone who follows the party no matter how much it reshapes itself? Or is it someone who believes in a set a principles? I didn't join the big D when it was a deep south segregationist party; I joined when it was antiwar, liberal, great society. I'll be damned if I will follow it if it morphs into a totally corporatist, big-money tool.

Right now, I still have hope for the party; thus I've been voting D. If I lose that hope?

Oh, and don't bother muting me. I'm leaving. This isn't the open, interesting, supportive, dialoging group I was looking for.

[H2O Man]

92. Oh! So you hate puppies?

And kill kittens?

[Adrahil]

75. Actually, I STILL don't think he's a big D Democrat.

Yes, he's joined the party, but it was for convenience, just like caucusing with Dems in the Senate.

It's not really a matter of how long he, or you, have been a member of the party. Its matter of if he (and you) are committed to the success of the party, even if you don;t get your own way on every issue.

Certainly, the party does not represent me on every issue, but I recognize that perfect can be enemy of "good enough for now."

[Betty Karlson]

16. Conceding requires losing the nomination - something that is as yet uncertain.

Do you only count unhatched chickens, or are there more shell-covered fouls you list as though they have already taken flight?

[daleanime]

101. Thank you....

for letting me know not to take you seriously.

[Trajan]

2. Welcome Redditee ....

Thanks for coming aboard ... Go Bernie!

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Same here. Guess we count for squat.

[treestar]

117. We all count more or less the same

We each have one vote.

What is it with the victim complex? How does it attract any votes? I'm certainly not changing to Bernie so some DU poster won't feel like a victim. Like the OP. Do people really think politics is about them and everyone else catering to them? If people need personal attention they need to get it from their personal relationships. A political party is not effective for that.

[jillan]

4. Those comments are coming from people who whine that

Bernie is not a Democrat and then turn around and whine because they don't think he will eventually endorse the Democratic nominee.


It's very confusing

[Trust Buster]

11. Not all. I don't care if Sanders endorses Hillary or not.

[dchill]

29. It wouldn't help anyway.

[Trust Buster]

32. Whatever.

[blm]

5. This is primary battle banter on the internet - don't take it too seriously

because not one person here can say anything that effects your basic priorities in life and how you vote in a voting booth.

I've been here almost 15 years and I can guarantee you that none of the banter in the last 3 presidential primaries had any effect on my personal views or who I am as a person. Have made some wonderful friendships with likeminded people, though. And even had/continue to have warm relationships with those who were rooting for the opposition. We are adults who knew how to come together afterwards and unite to stop our mutual opposition - The GOP and its fascist agenda.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

6. Principle over party...

Is the ethical way to go. No timeline determines your affiliation, only what you associate yourself with and what values you hold as your subjective worldview.

[Armstead]

12. Have you been through the super secret initiation?

No one is eligible until then....(Hint, it involves cat food and a fork.)

[Metric System]

14. From reddit? Lemme guess, you previously supported Ron Paul?

[hellofromreddit]

15. No.

What point did you intend to make?

[Goblinmonger]

45. Yes, reddit is the hive mind.

You may want to use a narrower brush next time.

[Boomer4Bernie]

110. Ad Hominem

That remark is known as an Ad Hominem attack. It is neither civil nor convincing. Take a look at the chart at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Name_calling&oldid=690435186 to learn better methods of discourse.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

116. You're using an intellectually dishonest argument.

[pkdu]

18. Something you and Bernie have in common then....

welcome none the less

[LuvLoogie]

19. What were you registered as before and why? Who did you

vote for previously and why? What do you know if the Democratic party? I can't really comment on your motivation until I know where you are coming from.

[hellofromreddit]

46. I will not answer those questions

Does my refusal to answer change my status?

[LuvLoogie]

67. Well most Bernie supporters feel that theirs is the more principled choice.

I have no problem saying that I have always voted for the Democrat except for one Republican County level State's Attorney candidate one time in the early 90s. I voted for the Democrat after that.
I voted for Hillary in 08, then Barack ever since. I voted for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore and Kerry.

Your refusal to answer raises skepticism as to why you would become a Democrat for Bernie's sake. So it's hard to knock that chip off your shoulder while you're standing behind that cyclone fence.

[hellofromreddit]

72. That's sensible

I chose to not answer because it's my position that my past should not be a factor in party membership. But a lot of people around here don't feel that way, so any answer I offered up could only be a distraction as people attempt to fight over it.

I don't think that my choice is necessarily more principled, though my principles have fueled my choices. I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong.

It seems to me that these standards of "true party membership" that people have been inventing as of late can only accomplish the exact opposite of the party's stated goal of growth. Exclusive clubs by their nature are small, and small political parties are generally ineffective.

I don't exactly have a chip on my shoulder over it--I just wanted to talk about it and incendiary posts seem to be the only ones that get traction here.

[LuvLoogie]

86. My short response is that it matters more why an elected official

or candidate is a party member.

The candidate represents the party platform or his/her own in a general election. General elections only require one's eligibility and registration, not affiliation, in order to vote.
Generally stated, the Democratic party is a network of like-minded individuals who seek a consensus toward common viable goals achieved through governing policy and legislation. In a majority rules government those goals and aspirations are run through a binary filter of yes and no votes.

I state this because, Bernie has come to the conclusion that the best vehicle for his principles is the Democratic party. He seeks its nomination for the Presidency. So does Hillary.

As there are other members of the party besides yourself who seek to choose our nominee, our candidate is to be determined. As a Democrat I have every confidence that either candidate will SUPPORT Democratic principal's. So I will vote for whomever is the nominee. I believe, however, that Hillary is the candidate that will better PROMOTE Democratic principles.

So the question of membership motivation has to do with Democratic solidarity over the long haul. It's a legitimate question placed to Bernie and his never-before-Democrat supporters. And the question is really one you should ask yourselves. Where do you go from here?

[Tanuki]

22. Who has said you were a worthless nobody?

[tokenlib]

23. hell I've been a Dem all my life...and after five minutes on DU with some Hillary people...

..I feel like a worthless nobody. But then I go to the FDR memorial in DC at night and get tears in my eyes too.

I also see Bernie as more of a Democratic soulmate than both Clintons, Harold Ford, DWS, Debbie Stabenow and a few more New Dems all put together...

[MerryBlooms]

49. Lovely sentiment. Rec.

I go to the FDR memorial in DC at night and get tears in my eyes

[Broward]

34. A lot of nasty Hillary supporters here. Typical stuff from the right wing.

[snowy owl]

40. another plug for principle over party

Loyalists are emotional voters.

[VulgarPoet]

64. Policy over labels. /bye

[liberal_at_heart]

77. Damn right I'm an emotional voter. My husband's friends just lost her SSI, and my son

will be applying for SSI next year. Not at all sure he'll even get approved. I'm tired of Democrats spending money on war and then caving to cuts to social services.
My mantra: Family over party. Don't like it. Too bad.

[Broward]

80. You say that as if it's a bad thing.

[DJ13]

43. How long after becoming a democrat should I consider myself a worthless nobody?

That depends on how long it takes you to consider voting the "lesser of two evils" in a GE if Hillary is the nominee.

[MerryBlooms]

48. I've been a Democrat since I turned 18 in 1981

I'm a Sanders supporter. I am happy to welcome all Democrats and encourage ALL to vote, no matter who you're voting for in this election season. I'm also a Democrat who votes straight ticket, no matter what... which is sometimes frowned upon.
There is no such thing as a 'worthless nobody'.
Welcome.

[OhZone]

52. Isn't Bernie still running as an Independent ?

for his Senate reelection?

And hasn't he attacked the Democratic party and he's still attacking.

Oh well.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

71. Yes and yes, but he is keeping his word about not risking a 3rd party run for president

You can take that to the bank, by the way, he is a man of his word.

[OhZone]

84. Well, that's good!

And I like your rainbow.

[guillaumeb]

53. To me, the question to ask is "Why are you only a Democrat now?"

Were you previously uninvolved in electoral politics?

[dana_b]

54. Me too!!

And I don't really care what some others think of that.

[monicaangela]

55. The fact that Bernie Sanders

Has decided to run as a democrat rather than as an Independent appears not to be appreciated by some.

[NorthCarolina]

56. Immediately if you are a Sanders supporter.

At least thats the message I'm seeing around here lately.

[hrmjustin]

57. I am a member of the Democratic Party because i believe in the party.

It is not based on one individual politician. Politicians come and go.

[2banon]

109. "Politicians come and go"

they sure do. the question regarding politicians, Where (professional life) do they come from? and where are they going? defines what they're about.

And then you have those that come back again and again.

think dynasties.

"believing in the party" to me is like "believing in the bible"

what does that even mean?

Not saying you do, but generally it seems to me is about demanding loyalty which is an undemocratic construct. Policy Issues be damned. Brad Loyalty just cuz.

doesn't work for a lot of people.

[Sheepshank]

66. Lets see...what kind of Democrat will you be after Bernie loses the Primary

...perhaps that will be more telling than you telling us you only joined because of Bernie.

[hellofromreddit]

79. You cannot have things both ways

Sanders is constantly judged for having not been a democrat long enough. No regard given to the future.

I get tarnished with the same brush, but I'm supposed to believe it's about the future with no regard to the past?

[0rganism]

68. until the primary ends

seriously, there's a lot of bad blood thrown around now, (imho) due mostly to the intra-party scuffling associated with the primary campaign. this is hardly DU at its most hospitable.

however, there is a big up-side to the current "civil war": the differences between priorities of economic progressives and the Democratic party establishment are being directly highlighted. as a result of the Republican dysfunction, it is quite likely that the Democratic party can achieve a decade or more of dominance and become "the" de facto centrist party by absorbing some key players and principles from the dying GOP. this suggests a socially liberal, economically moderate (the "Bernie wing" of the party will have a lot to do with keeping this from tilting too far to starboard) and hawkish foreign policy positions -- similar to how it is now, but more intense due to tensions arising between the influx of opportunistic tax haters and Sanders' priority planks (which will likely be in the party platform after the convention). the big losers will be the hardcore social conservatives, who have cast their lots with Trump or Cruz, and for their efforts will inherit a broken shell of a political party unable to enact any of its atrocious policy positions.

[snowy owl]

97. That's a good take on it I think.

Parties have changed over the decades. I can see the DLC and now the DNC being more centrist right and becoming the conservatives of the future while the progressives become under whatever name the party of the true left. Of course, that is tantamount to starting a new party...

But people better get their heads out of the loyalists column or we are going to see more travesty and inequality in the near term. People seem to have to experience the gutter before they are willing to take themselves out of it.

[baldguy]

69. Right. Just forget about decades of the New Deal, civil rights, labor rights,

environmental protection, consumer protection, voting rights, gay rights, health care, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, .....

Sanders may have been an ally for many of those things - but he hasn't been a Democrat. Instead he chose to sit on the sidelines.

And, because of that - Sanders hasn't been a Democrat for long enough to be of any influence & build a coalition which is an essential part of winning a national campaign.

[onecaliberal]

74. Fact: The ACA passed because like thousands of times before Bernie voted with

Democrats. I don't give two shits what her supporters spew. They are shape shifters just as she is. At least we sanders supporters stand for people and not corporations

[Duppers]

83. Bernie Sanders has had Democratic values

from back when Hillary was a Goldwater girl.

So to hell with our critics here.

[MineralMan]

85. Funny. I've been a Democrat since 1960.

I've been through good times and bad. I've seen awful Republicans elected. I remain a Democrat, and note for Democratic candidates in every election. Welcome to the party. I hope you're able to stick around for five decades, too.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

90. You have to absolutely guarantee that you will vote for any (D) without question.

At least that's the (un)democratic opinion of party Purists.

[XRubicon]

91. He was Independant until a few months ago...

He is using the party that he said he didn't want to be part of to get elected.

[H2O Man]

93. Interesting question & thread.

A lot of people on DU are limited to viewing the Democratic Party within the rigid definition provided by the "establishment" wing of the party. But that isn't so.

We Sanders's supporters are just as much part of the Democratic Party as anyone else. They have a degree of control on the corporate money and making their own rules. But we are changing that. We do not limit our thinking to the guidelines they suggest.

[MisterP]

96. right, the party that's shriveled to, what, 26% of the electorate?

and that's not even counting those adults who never bothered to register anymore

[blueintelligentsia]

94. "Amendment King", co-founded largest Democratic caucus in house....nt

[jwirr]

100. From me the life time Democrat you are worth a hell of a lot

more than some in our party.

I want to build a party around people like you and if we cannot take over this one than I will follow you to the new rebuilt one.

[DemocracyDirect]

103. Pretty sure that the Democratic Party will be adopting most of Bernie's platform...

Regardless of who gets the nomination.

So you are a real Democratic Party member now.

[Jitter65]

104. And you and he both won't be won tomorrow if he loses. Yeah, we got that. nt

[Jenny_92808]

105. I am a Democrat and choose to

help change the Democrats from the inside. Go Bernie!

I was just hidden because I said the RW repubs harm us. So I suspect that we have been infiltrated by wrong-doer RW republicans and DU owners endorse it.

[Boomer4Bernie]

111. Infiltrators

Do you think most of the ad hominem attacks and put-downs are by paid trollers? If so, I should stay and not let them take over the group.

[treestar]

115. I have always been a Democrat

Never thought about it as being all about me. Thus I have never felt like a worthless nobody over it. I really don't see that Bernie is. all That. I would not change my general outlook over Bernie. He is just not a big deal to me.

[Autumn]

124. Well I was a Democrat for well over 40 years

I'm not now. And I feel great about it.