How many people are supporting Bernie just because he's a man?

[DanTex]

I figure since every time a woman runs for anything, or gets promoted, or makes partner or is assigned to be a judge or becomes CEO or accomplishes anything, she has to put up with this kind of BS (and right here on DU, over and over), maybe it should go both ways.

[Sheepshank]

1. Actually this is not a improbable as it sounds

I work with a dude that specifically has stated he cannot vote for a woman and Bernie will get his vote. True Story.

[jonno99]

4. Wow - in 21st centuray America? Hard to fathom...nt

[daleanime]

28. Which is why we started off with....

begging Elizabeth Warren to run.

[JoePhilly]

2. I can see the outrage forming over this OP right now.

Its perfectly fine to make that claim about Hillary ... how DARE you turn it around and make it about Bernie and his most awesome bestest liberals ever supporters.

[oldandhappy]

3. Thank you!

[guillaumeb]

5. A good counter post to the earlier silly post.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Acctually the other silly post comes with hard data

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/health/hillary-clinton-women-voters-generational-divide/

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/01/465144857/women-and-the-generational-divide-between-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders

I could go on, but older women do tend to support her because she is a woman. Anecdotally, I have been told this by a few older women. It is not policy, They want to see a woman in office before they die. Personally I think it is a sucky reason, but whatever.

[guillaumeb]

14. Rather than talk about the "why" of which subset of voters supports either

candidate, I would rather discuss actual positions on issues and (hopefully) voters will use that information to decide on a candidate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I agree, but that is not what some of these folks are doing

and voting for somebody just on gender or melanin content is a problem. If I am told I am voting for this candidate because of these policy reasons (insert them here), I can respect that. Just gender or skin color, I really shake my head.

Ok, I spend way too much quality time reading city budgets, among other things, so that is my personal failing.

[guillaumeb]

21. I agree, but gender/melanin/linguistic identification

are important identifiers. No matter the nominee, the Democrat will be preferable to the GOP candidate. If HRC is the nominee and the GOP candidate drives some GOP female voters to support HRC and the Democrats, so much the better.

I would think that city budgets, and the priorities implied by the spending allocations, would be dry but interesting reading.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. City and county budgets require a fresh pot of coffee every time

and in my mind both gender and melanin content are like way down in my priority list.

[JonLeibowitz]

26. Heck, the congressman from MA-6 won his primary against an incumbent because he was young.

His only message to differentiate himself from his opponent was "bring fresh ideas to Washington"

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. I used to have a family member that voted

only for tall and handsome candidates. true story.

[840high]

46. That's how I felt in '08.

[Logical]

58. Actually a really silly post. LOL

[dchill]

6. No, I'm supporting him because YOU are!

[ghostsinthemachine]

7. I support him becasue he is right.....

Has nothing to do with his sex. or Hillary's sex.

[davidn3600]

8. How many people are supporting Hillary just because she's a woman?

"'There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women..."
-Madeline Albright

Or how about Gloria Steinem who suggests the only reason young women like Bernie is because "that's where the boys are."

Maybe you should solve the sexism in your own ranks before accusing supporters of other candidates of being sexist.

[Marr]

29. +1

[Duckhunter935]

31. This^^

[840high]

47. +10

[rock]

53. Maybe you should improve your ability to spot sexism

before accusing someone of being sexist. Albright is NOT being sexist in the video.

[davidn3600]

54. Sure she is

She's suggesting that women need to support Hillary because she's a woman...otherwise they will go to "a special place in hell."

Wouldnt that be like saying men need to support Bernie because he's a man?

Look....the fact of the matter is there is only 1 candidate in this race that is pointing out their gender at every opportunity. You (Hillary supporters) are trying to make this election about gender when most voters out there seriously don't give a flying fuck.

[rock]

57. When men make 74 cents to the dollar that men make your analogy might make sense

But as it stands, no, it does not apply. Also, she, in fact, does not mention her gender very often. However it is plain she will help females in achieving equity in the sexes. This will not be forthcoming from any of the males that are running. Finally, it's not we're trying to make this election about gender; we're making it about gender equality (and that is not a symmetrical problem).

[NorthCarolina]

9. The way I look at it is we have two candidates;

one touches my gag reflex while the other touches my humanity. I'll go with the latter.

[bravenak]

10. Probably quite a few

[fun n serious]

12. Just look at how Trump and his supporters act toward women

The problem still exists on both sides very much so. On a facebook page people are saying it's Bernie or Trump for them. I don't know how you go from Bernie to Trump but a lot do. A LOT.

[runaway hero]

42. Simple

Populism

[fun n serious]

49. It's enough for some

not for me. I try to balance that..

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. The more the merrier. Bernie is good for everyone.

[Lorien]

16. Gender, race and sexual orientation never play any role in who I support

ISSUES are what matter, and when we ask Hillary supporters what her positions on the issues are and why they support her for them, we get crickets.

I searched a long time for reasons to support Hillary, but all I found were flip flops and a lot of right wing hawkishness that I could NEVER support.

[alittlelark]

17. Me, Me, ME !!!!!

I need a strong man to tell me what to do!!!

[nichomachus]

18. I would support Bernie because he's a person

A person with principles -- unlike Mrs. Clinton.

[Vattel]

19. not as many as are supporting Clinton just because she is a woman

[democrattotheend]

20. Not me

I am a woman and I would love to see a woman president. In fact, while I am not terribly excited about many of Hillary's policy stances, I am more excited about voting for her in the general election if I have to because she is a woman than I would be otherwise.

[senz]

23. Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb, and Lincoln Chafee are men, too.

How come so many people chose Bernie from a field of four men and one woman?

[rufus dog]

24. I think you would be hard pressed to find a large percentage of Bernie supporters

Against Hillary based on sex. If Warren was running she would be my first choice.

I don't care for either Clinton, voted for Bill in 92, didn't have to in 96 because I live in CA.

So you can try to make it into something it isn't, or read any of the fucking hundreds of posts from people explaining why they don't want to support her. In her words, it is about "one little street"

And yes she said that, I live on a little street, a bit longer than Wall Street, my street is just a little street. Wall Street is the fucking center of the financial world.

Now I am being a prick because your post is fucking obnoxious, and ignorant. Again, people have commented numerous times why the don't care for the Clinton's yet you ignore those points of view and try to make it something that it isn't.

I get a hide about once every two years. Your OP is more than worthy enough to get uncivil responses.

[whistler162]

25. Heck... I'll support Bernie 'cause he is/was

a Bum's fan. Go Brooklyn!

[Bettie]

27. I did not vote (caucus) for Sanders because he's a man

and I didn't decide against doing the same for Clinton because she's a woman.

I chose my candidate based on whose goals best reflect what direction I'd like to see our country move...away from corporate rule, away from endless war, toward being a society that includes everyone, instead of only the top 1%.

[WhiteTara]

30. You left out WHITE man, which also makes a difference. nt

[ljm2002]

38. He left out JEWISH man too, which also makes a difference. n/t

[WhiteTara]

39. hmm. Would one cancel the other? nt

[w4rma]

32. Hillary Clinton's Internet Supporters Desperately Want This Campaign to be about Sexism

I want to start with a few key facts, because they’ll be important in a moment:

1. Among left-leaning female voters under the age of 45, Bernie Sanders holds a significant lead in the polls.

2. He’s received far more donations from females than Hillary Clinton.

3. The results in Iowa showed that he won handily in the under-45 category, regardless of gender.

As it happens, there is absolutely a gap in support when it comes to Sanders and Clinton. But it’s not a gender gap—it’s an age gap. The exit polls in Iowa would have been stunning for the sharp contrast they painted between young and old voters, if that divide hadn’t already been reflected in just about every national poll that’s come out in the past two months. Sanders won the 17-29 youth demographic in a rout with 84 percent support, and though the margin was smaller in the 30-44 range, he still trounced Clinton 58 percent to 37 percent. Climb higher, though, and the situation changes drastically. Among voters 45-63, Clinton won 58-35 percent, and for 65 and older, Bernie was clobbered 69-26.

It’s simple math: Older people vote for Clinton, younger people vote for Sanders. I saw it at the precinct I observed Monday night, and the stats back it up.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/hillary-clintons-internet-supporters-desperately-w.html

[H2O Man]

34. Please stop.

[DLnyc]

35. I ran a little poll a while ago on this subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511472260

if you are interested

[ljm2002]

36. How many times has he cited that as a reason to vote for him?

Or for that matter, how many times has anyone on his campaign done that? Or any of his supporters?

Answer: Zero, zip, zilch.

Now of course, it actually is quite legitimate for Hillary to bring up her gender as one reason to vote for her. I don't have a problem with that at all. I do have a problem when any criticism of her is claimed to be sexist, which some of her supporters do and even she sometimes does. But yes, her being a woman who is a serious contender for President on the Democratic ticket is a big deal and she and her supporters have every right to promote that angle.

If this were a different election season, and if her opponent was not Bernie Sanders, that might have been a deciding factor for me. But with Sanders in the race, for me the choice is clear and stark: we can elect an agent of change, with bold yet achievable ideas for this country; or we can elect another middle of the road (read: center right) candidate with timid ideas who will tinker around the edges while saying mostly the right things on social issues.

[Cal33]

37. Probably not many. I was a supporter of Elizabeth Warren, and continue to be an admirer

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of hers. I didn't know anything about Bernie until he declared his candidacy for the
presidency. That was when I started reading up on him. I switched over to him only
when it became definite that Elizabeth was not going to run. The political views of
both of these are so much like my own. Many of Bernie supporters were supporters
of Elizabeth -- just like me.

You happened to pick the wrong man to use as an example.

[OrwellwasRight]

40. I don't see where you're going with this.

I've been told it is my obligation to support Hillary because she's a woman. I respond by asking if I am obligated to support creepy Senator Tim Scott because he's black. I think the answer is in both cases no. I am sure there is an "I hate women, I'll only support men" constituency. Those peeps are voting for Trump, not Sanders. But thanks for playing.

[EffieBlack]

41. One of the beauties of institutional sexism and racism is that white and male are the default, so

people can give them a preference without making any extraordinary effort or even realizing they're doing that

That is why someone can shrug their shoulders and say, "I have no problem with voting for a woman, but not just any woman. She has to be the RIGHT woman. And I'm not going to vote for her just because she's a woman. She has to be the most qualified person."

And then, without batting an eye, they turn around and make their choice from a slate filled with unqualified, mediocre white men.

Women and minorities have to prove themselves exponentially more qualified than white men in order to even get in the room - and they STILL have their qualifications questioned.

Hell, Hillary Clinton was FIRST LADY, SENATOR, and SECRETARY OF STATE - she is more qualified than any of the men running for President - yet people are still claiming with a straight face that people are voting for her only because she's a woman. That's because, in this society, it is very simple to vote for a man because he's a man but never have to admit it because the white men are the default and, thus, support for them never needs to be explained.

[runaway hero]

44. But what makes any them mediocre?

Trump is a multibillionaire businesman

Rubio was the speaker of the florida house and a rising star

Cruz was one of the smart guys at the Ivy League

O'Malley was one of the most popular governor in the country at one point.


I don't think we would be having this problem if Warren was in Clinton's position. According to many polls, if it comes down to Trump vs Hillary, Hillary would win. But people would be holding their nose on both sides.


Hillary is going to win, so I don't why it bugs you someone votes for someone else. Bernie doesn't have the delegates to do anything.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. I don't vote based on gender or race or style of underwear.

I voted for a woman in 2012 for president, but not because she's a woman, but she's a progressive.

[corbettkroehler]

45. If Warren Had Run, I Would Have Offered Even Greater Zeal

The candidate's gender is irrelevant to me.

[jpb33]

48. More

desperate nonsense from the Hillary Clinton Cult of Personality.

[beam me up scottie]

50. I guess I'm going to hell:

?1454870743

[Jitter65]

51. You mean how many will admit it? nt

[SheenaR]

52. Classic move

Drop this garbage OP in and vanish as the comments come in

This woman supports Bernie

[beam me up scottie]

55. That's what bothers them the most, the vast majority of women on DU support Bernie.

They can call us BernieBros all they like.

[slipslidingaway]

56. Did Sanders or any of his suporters ever reference his gender as reason to vote for him? NO ...

so this question is just a little embarrassing. But the Clinton supporters have raised gender as an issue to vote for her. Sorry, woman over 60 who does not vote based on my gender. To try and turn this around, when no Sanders supporter has raised the idea of voting for him because he is male, is disgusting.

What you do not understand is that many people do not vote based on gender, race, religion or sexual orientation.

[Nanjeanne]

59. Six.

[DiehardLiberal]

60. Me! I find intelligence, integrity, compassion and kindness very sexy.

[DemocracyDirect]

61. I would love to vote for a woman.

Just not that one.

Does it concern anyone that the first woman President would be the wife of a former President?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the first women President was someone like Elizabeth Warren.

[Chan790]

62. I'm supporting anybody that isn't Clinton. n/t

[Recursion]

63. Oddly enough I have a RadFem friend who is

She's out and out said "I think the US will never elect a woman in a general election, so I'm backing Sanders as our only chance".