Why would the Super Delegates switch to Sanders?

[lunamagica]

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Sanders has not helped to raise a penny for other Democratic races. Financial support is needed keep seats and not lose them to the GOP.

Every SD that supported Hillary was attacked, insulted, their FB pages filled with the vilest insults by Sander supporters. The Sanders camp has called them sell-outs and said they are corrupt. And now they have the gall to ask for their vote?

Here's a little hint: Don't insult and bash people whose support you'll want later. It's not wise. A little respect goes a long way.

[dchill]

1. Simply because he would actually win.

[brooklynite]

5. The Superdelegates I've spoken to don't seem to think so.

[dchill]

17. For now, it's in their best interest to say that.

I'm sure you're aware of how and why they became so super.

[Hekate]

22. Why don't you share this information with the rest of us?

Details, details.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Do you want the Supers to overrule the popular vote and pledged delegates?

Thank you in advance.

[dchill]

73. Certainly not, in the state they represent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Do you want the Supers to overrule the popular vote and pledged delegates?

Thank you in advance.

[dchill]

107. OTOH, apparently they can do whatever they want.

[lunamagica]

27. I guess you haven't seen this

After heavy media coverage of fights at his events and his repeated moves to egg on his backers as they get rough with protestors, Trump is now trailing Hillary Clinton by a gap that would be the largest in decades come election day.

Clinton is clobbering Trump by double digits in five of the six national polls released this week, up from narrow leads she held for most of the campaign. Trump's slide is being driven by women as the percentage of Americans with an unfavorable opinion of him continues to rise. And pollsters believe the violence at his rallies — not to mention his ongoing misogynistic rhetoric — may be scaring off Republican and independent female voters.

More http://www.aol.com/article/2016/03/25/donald-trump-hits-all-time-low-in-the-polls-that-really-matter/21333718/

[dchill]

32. Really no telling who the GOP nom will be.

IMO

[FarPoint]

93. No need to even think along those lines.

They are committed to Hillary and once New York, Pennsylvania voting is done.... It's all Hillary there after...my opinion.

[RoccoR5955]

127. Especially when

Sanders wins NY and PA, along with CA.
Clinton shall be there.... GAME OVER for her!

[FarPoint]

134. The superdelegates, they will not vote Sanders.

Sanders has never embraced the Democratic Party. To explain, he has never endorsed, gone out and campaigned for or fundraised with any Democratic candidate, ever......Like Ohio, where I am from, Pennsylvania, New York, they will stay loyal as Democratic voters as well. Sanders can't win....

[RoccoR5955]

137. Oh?

And you know these superdelegates?
I know two in NY who had committed to Clinton in 2008, but switched to Obama.
As a matter of fact, Sanders helps the down ticket races, because he brings higher turnout.
Clinton does not.
It has ALWAYS been the case that superdelegates flip when convention time comes around, as that is when the Democratic candidates campaign with and for the candidate, and the superdelegates want to be on the side of the person who wins the convention.

Sanders did embrace the Democratic Party early on. He didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left him, as they have left the middle class.

[NorthCarolina]

2. Probably for the good of the Party.

Best to be where the party is headed. Makes no sense to stay where it's been when that clearly isn't working.

[lunamagica]

13. Platitudes and slogans don't win elections. Votes do. She is ahead by millions

and has hundreds more PD than Sanders.

[Beacool]

39. What makes you think that they would consider switching to Sanders to be

better for the party???

Besides, no super delegate is going to switch to the candidate with less pledged delegates. That would be subverting democracy.

[NorthCarolina]

45. Subverting Democracy?

I think at some point in time the truth will become known about who is really subverting Democracy. Possibly sooner than you think.

[pangaia]

86. Oh, God, the irony !

[JonLeibowitz]

3. If the person you were backing before belongs in jail, it behooves you to switch.

The optics of that just aren't very good

[lunamagica]

15. The SD respect and admire Sec. Clinton

[JonLeibowitz]

18. I hope they are comfortable with her in orange.

In my opinion she has broken the law.

[Hortensis]

74. And IMO disregard for law, evidence and justice itself

Is appalling. It seems clear to me how this attitude would lead people to behave, and goodness knows horribly has, if only the rules of evidence, the law, and justice itself can be set aside.

I have never and will never behave that way and have always opposed any that do. In my more innocent years, I just assumed that they would come from the right.

[JonLeibowitz]

75. Well, they say all power corrupts. It occurs on the left as well as the right.

You need someone with a strong moral fiber to have any hope of withstanding corrupting influences of absolute power.

[Hortensis]

78. i am referring to people with the attitude of a lynch mob, lieb.

Civilization'sjob is to keep this kind of shocking

disregard for justice under control and to protect the mob's intended victims.

[JonLeibowitz]

80. I really don't understand what you mean.

I am not supposed to hold an opinion on whether someone is corrupt and has broken the law because a court has not done so?

I am aware of political realities of the justice system at the highest level. Heck, they talk about it on CNN and MSNBC.

I suppose Nixon did not break the law, as he was never convicted?

[Hortensis]

81. And I think you do.

Backing away is definitely in order.

[JonLeibowitz]

83. Ok, well, you didn't address my question. Did Nixon break the law? Did he belong in jail?

I have never advocated for mob justice. At the same time, I recognize that one can have broken the law without a court's determination of that fact.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Yes. Yes. We all love Dear Leader.

Give me a break.

[pangaia]

87. And you know this, how?

[Hekate]

25. Just in case HRC is the nominee, who will you vote for?

?

[JonLeibowitz]

28. I will vote for President and downticket races.

As I always do.

[UMTerp01]

4. They won't

The end. Bye.

[daleanime]

6. It's amazing how often.....

people don't take their own advice.

[lunamagica]

19. I don't understand? If you mean me, I've never insulted a delegate of any kind

[lunamagica]

56. We are talking about SDs here

[amborin]

7. it's called democracy

[lunamagica]

11. Please explain. She is ahead in pledged delegates by the hundreds. She is ahead in votes by the

millions. Democracy has her winning the nomination

[lunamagica]

64. Spin, spin spin. Fact is the candidate who has the most pledged delegates wins the nomination

Simple math

[Loki]

76. Simple math is beyond their capabilities. Over 2 million votes now and counting.

They act as if this election process is something they have never heard of before now. Being ignorant of the rules or the law is not an excuse. Try that next time you get stopped for speeding.

[SusanCalvin]

97. So you agree the superdelegates are irrelevant at this point.

That's my position as well.

[amborin]

82. Yesterday, she is ahead 300 in pledge delegates, with more than 2,000 yet to be won by either candid

[Hortensis]

8. Encouraging hooliganism isnt in the

national good. People shouldn't blame pols automatically for the people they draw, but they need to consider if they reflect something about the candidate, perhaps facets that the candidate is playing down or even trying to hide. After some months I came to believe that the far left contingent's vast intolerance and hostility toward other groups did illuminate those facets in their chosen leader, Bernie Sanders. He is basically one of them.

Without their revealing behaviors, I might still be interpreting his attitude as a very justified, and attractive, impatience with the way things are, not also as the contempt for people like me that it is.

As for Hillary, her long hard work, including appearances, meetings, fundraising, in support of Democratic candidates started literally decades ago,, long before she decided to run for national office herself, and has continued all the years since.

[Hekate]

29. Bingo

[Starry Messenger]

9. Avian magic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. The Supers will support the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

[SheenaR]

16. This ^

You may see a few/some switch if they feel obligated to vote with their constituents, but a massive switch to the candidate with less delegates is very unlikely.

[SusanCalvin]

94. ^THIS^

[lmbradford]

12. support vs voting for

Just because a super supports a candidate, doesnt mean they will vote for them at convention. Whoever has the most pledged delegates will get the support of the supers or the party will have mass hysteria and chaos. Thwarting the will of the voters is a bad idea.

[lunamagica]

21. The will of the voters has HRC ahead by millons

[RandySF]

14. They won't

[lunamagica]

23. I know. I'm just trying to understand why some think that the SD will flock to the losing

candidate

[Sky Masterson]

24. Another thing unfair about Superdelegates is that they can change their vote at anytime

All of the rest of us have a time limit to place our vote and once we place it its final.
There is no way to change it when new information arises or if candidates drop out.
I don't know the solution to this, but it seems unfair to states that voted in the first few states who had far less time and passage of time between then and now to better determine the person they feel best represents them.
I have no idea what the solution is or if its even doable on this other than holding a one day primary Election in June for all states .
I really wish they would cancel out all Super Delegate votes and just go with the what the Electorate choose regardless of the candidate.

[99Forever]

26. Because he has integrity and works for us...

....not his corporate cronies.

[lunamagica]

31. Your one line smears don't answer the OP

[99Forever]

70. My "one line" reply...

... most certainly does indeed answer the question and "smears" no one, unless of course, you are admitting that his opponent does not work for us and does indeed work for her corporate cronies.

[Vinca]

30. For the same reason they switched to Obama.

I never realized how undemocratic the superdelegate system is until this election. Take Vermont, for example. Bernie won by a ludicrous number of votes, but to my knowledge his only superdelegate from Vermont is Peter Welch. That pretty much means the votes of the citizens don't count for anything.

[lunamagica]

34. I thouhgt the Sanders camp had finally realised that nothing is like '08

Did Obama work with and for the party? Yes

Did he or his supporters ever throw insults and accused the SD who supported Hillary of corruption? No.

Was he millions of votes behind? No

See the difference?

[Vinca]

42. So, in the end, if Bernie happened to have a majority of the votes,

you're okay with superdelegates not voting for him? Why bother have an election. Just throw a coronation for Hillary.

[lunamagica]

46. Where did I say that? I firmly believe that the candidate with more votes and more

pledged delegates should win the primary. I have only heard Sanders supporters say that the SD should choose Sanders regardless of who has more pledged delegates.

Don't put words in my mouth.

[brooklynite]

41. "They switched to Obama" when he was winning...

...first things first.

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. If Sanders wins the majority of pledged delegates they should switch.

If he does not, then he is not the choice of the majority of Democrats, and all super delegates should go with Clinton.

[lunamagica]

36. Exactly! Thank you! It so simple. Why do so many people have a problem

understanding this?

[Agnosticsherbet]

40. Because they are believers in one candidate.

I'm an agnostic.

[madaboutharry]

35. I also don't see that happening.

The Super Delegates are the very Bernie rails against on a daily basis. They are the people who make up the establishment that he hates.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

43. Because he won't be running against Trump. The Rs will run a winner against Hillary

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. What does that have to do with the Supers?

The Democratic Supers will follow the will of the voters and ratify the nomination of the person with the most votes and pledged delegates.


As for the GOPU, if they steal the nomination from Trump, Trump and his supporters will see to it it that the person who received the nomination that was stolen from him will lose.

[Beacool]

44. It's called a Hail Mary.

His campaign knows that despite how well he does in caucuses (I'm sure that he will have a great night today), he won't be able to surpass Hillary in the pledged delegate count. Trying to convince super delegates to switch allegiances in hopes of putting Sanders over the line is a strategy of someone who has little else left in his bag of political tricks.

It won't work for the simple reason that super delegates will not switch their allegiance to the candidate who is not ahead in the pledged delegate count. It would be going against the will of the people. Obama won the nomination when he was only a tad over a 100 pledged delegates ahead of Hillary.

[kpola12]

47. If the party is truly democratic.

If Sanders should win the majority of Pledged Delegates the Supers would need to switch.

[lunamagica]

50. Yes! The candidate who wins the majority of pledged delegates should win the

primary

[FlatBaroque]

48. Number 427

[yodermon]

51. Indictment prior to convention. N/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. A thin reed to rest one's hopes upon, in every way imaginable.N/t

[yodermon]

57. Oh, it certainly won't happen; I was just trying to honestly answer the question

posed by the OP, as we're in crazy-ass hypothetical territory anyway.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. I regret my characterization.

If the Supers didn't overturn the 1984 results where Hart looked like a much better G E match up but was behind Mondale by just a little in popular votes and pledged delegates they never will.

[lunamagica]

55. keep dreaming

[rbrnmw]

52. I know a Superdelegate personally

They won't switch to Bernie no matter what, as they have been harassed by his supporters. They also don't like the fact that he is still suing the DNC.

[Beacool]

59. This.....

[SheenaR]

65. Well your Superdelegate friend is an idiot

If they are influenced by the fervent nature of supporters.

I guess all Sanders DU supporters should bail in November since they don't get along with Clinton supporters. Solid logic there by your pal.

[rbrnmw]

66. telephone harassment at 3 am will do that to a person

[SheenaR]

67. Guess so

Any link to substantiate their claim?

As you can imagine it's very easy to insert any name to fit that story.

[rbrnmw]

68. nope not putting their name here so they can be harassed

if they want to tell their story they will. Law Enforcement was contacted.
http://www.rollcall.com/opinion-analysis/bernie-sanders-superdelegate-chutzpah/?dcz=

[NorthCarolina]

77. A copy of the police report that was filed maybe?

eom

[rbrnmw]

95. why would I have a copy of it?

I am not the superdelegate and I won't ask for a copy of their police report.

[NorthCarolina]

101. So, it's just "heresay" then?

OK, well that a credible topic for discussion...not.

Perhaps you should have asked your "friend" if they even wanted you to mention it on DU. You know, since most logical posters would want to see something to back up your claim before giving it any credence and all.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

69. ^this

[Sheepshank]

91. IMHO...SuperDelegates are there to promote the best interest of the party ....

...and the voters represent the best interests of the voters. And sometimes, but not always, SD and the popular vote will align on a parallel line.

If SD votes were cast always in favor of the candidate that secures a majority of the delegates or a majority of the votes, then what is the point of their existence?

I'm not advocating for or against SD, I'm stating outright, that the allocation of delegates, will not necessarily dictate the way of SD. 'Tis the nature of Primaries.

I'd bet a million dollars, that right now, Reps wished they currently had a boat load more super delegates rather than the 3 per state (I think) they have and even more autonomy so that those SD could vote in the best interest of the party

[bvf]

103. And a close friend of mine won the Nobel Prize

but turned it down because of a scheduling conflict.

Didn't want to miss his bowling night.

[pdsimdars]

60. Here's a little hint: Stop bashing people you keep trying to get to support your candidate.

All I see are condescension, dismissiveness and smugness and then hammering on them for being so stupid as to not want to vote for Hillary.
I'd say, before posting these thoughtless threads, maybe you should look in the mirror a bit.

[lunamagica]

61. Thoughtless? Didn't SBS supporters swarm every SD who endorsed HRC to harras and insult them?

Would such harassment and insults make these SD more likely to switch to Sanders?

Who has more votes, and more pledge delegates? Shouldn't the SD vote for whoever has more pledged delegates?

Where dis I say that Sanders supporters were stupid not to support Clinton? I don't see that anywhere in my op.

[SidDithers]

62. They won't...

and no way in hell does Sanders get 2384 delegates from pledged delegates only.

Sanders has no path to the nomination.

He's done.

Sid

[rateyes]

71. What irony:

"Here's a little hint: Don't insult and bash people whose support you'll want later. It's not wise. A little respect goes a long way."

Tell that to Hillary and her supporters.

[lunamagica]

72. We're talking about SD here. The real irony would be for Sanders supporters

wanting to claim the high road when it comes to bashing a candidate's supporters

[Buns_of_Fire]

79. They shouldn't. They shouldn't be considered at all until the convention,

no matter what CNN is trying to push.

But let "A" (I'm leaving out names, here) come to the convention with 49% and "B" come in with 45%, and then the SuperDupers toss in enough of their votes to give "B" the nomination anyway, and just watch all hell break loose.

That said, I don't think that'll happen. They'll just be the icing on the cake for whoever wins.

[SusanCalvin]

90. Exactly.

I'm getting tired of hearing it either reported or discussed at this point. It is currently irrelevant.

[Buns_of_Fire]

100. Thank you. I try to make one salient political point a year.

And since I've managed to make it this early, the pressure's off, and I can return to being the complete jerk I am for the other 364 days.

[SusanCalvin]

113. .

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. They don't do that... on CNN-I

I am dead serious

[Lorien]

84. Because they don't want to lose to Drumpf. nt

[lunamagica]

85. Please see post #27

[Land Shark]

88. Answer: Because the ONLY legitimate basis for political authority is We the People

In some states that means support Clinton, in other states Sanders. Without a tie to the people, the superdelegate votes are aristocratic, not democratic, so superdelegates would naturally want to be on the democratic side of course, no matter what anybody says on their fb pages.

[SusanCalvin]

92. One can hope. nt

[Gomez163]

89. because UNICORNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[imagine2015]

96. Because ..... They want to save their own skins and don't want to go down with the Titanic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511569761

[Beacool]

99. That's not even a valid argument.

It's not that difficult, just as in 2008, the super delegates will support the person with the most pledged delegates.

That person will more likely than not be Hillary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. It is called poltics and if he overcomes her

you will see it. The fact that this has to be explained is ludicrous, but it is DU

[Beacool]

102. The problem is that Weaver and Devine, also Sanders in his interview with Rachel,

implied that they were going to try to convince super delegates to switch to Sanders even if Hillary was ahead in pledged delegates. That's not going to happen. It would go against the will of the people. The super delegates will stick with Hillary. The only way that they would switch to Sanders in substantial numbers would be if Sanders accumulated more pledged delegates than Hillary. As it stands, the likelihood of that event taking place is slim at best.

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. You mean like oh HRC said she was going to do in 2008?

Enquiring minds and all that.

IT IS CALLED POLITICS. Again, the fact this has to be explained to people who claim to be political animals is ludicrous. But hey, it is DU.

[George II]

132. 2008 is history, 8 years in the past....

According to the Sanders campaign just a week or two ago, the superdelegates should vote with the popular vote.

I did an analysis of that, and if it truly is what the Sanders campaign wanted, Clinton would be ahead about 300-95 in superdelegates, considering the states she won and her winning margin.

So now the Sanders campaign has changed, and they feel that badgering and cajoling superdelegates is permissible in order to get them to vote AGAINST the popular vote in their states?

I've been involved in many campaigns both locally and state-wide. It seems that every time someone wants their reality to be different, they explain it away with "that's politics".

[nadinbrzezinski]

133. Ok 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992...

this is the way it's been done for a while George. That pattern breaks in 1972 or so, and don't get me started with 1968

Now my evil size is going, let him overcome her in PDs, and then the party nominate her on the first vote. I hope Philly PD got enough pepper spray. And since the Rs are hinting the same. WHOOHOO, this year will not be just fire season, but civil unrest season! Hey, I'm ready for both. WHOOHOO

[George II]

138. He's also got about 2.7 million popular votes to overcome, too.

So, you're hinting that you're in favor of a disruption of the convention? You equate it to what the Rs are hinting (only one in particular), and that's not disruption or civil unrest, but to quote him "riots".

[nadinbrzezinski]

139. I am just saying that if he gets more delegates than she does

and the party does that, they are idiots.

Is that clear enough for you?

[George II]

142. I never disagreed with that, except that it will never happen that he will get more delegates.

Who did disagree?

That's the way it works at conventions, the candidate that gets the most delegates is the nominee. It's been that for decades.

[lunamagica]

148. Good anaalysis George. Again, #FeelTheMath

[lunamagica]

108. I'm asking for an explanation becaise she's winning pledged delegates by the hundreds, and votes

by the millions, yet the Sanders camp thinks the SD will switch to him.

What's ludicrous about that?

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. That you do not undersatnd that if he catches her in PDs and overcomes her

they will switch.

If they do not, well Chicago 1968 would be a preview of Philadelphia 2016

For the record, the GOP is thinking of the same shit in Cleveland... YAY two parties doing that! What is not to like?

This is so basic it is embarrassing, really.

[lunamagica]

110. Yes, It is embarrasing tha so many have so little understanding of the process and the math

that they still believe is is is going to overtake her in PDs

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. Well you might want to take that issue with John King at CNN

I suspect the analytics at CNN is far better.

[lunamagica]

112. John King? I'm sorry, I rather pay attention to the math

#FeelTheMath

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Yup the math, the kind of performance that he needs to open the map

that is the math, you are correct.

I am not surprised really. But the math said that he will close up today by a large number. This is far from over. Deal with it. And I say as somebody who gives two fucks who your party nominates m'kay.

[lunamagica]

116. You are quite angry and crass for someone who doesn't care

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. facts are not angry

and I am just stating facts, deal with it.

[lunamagica]

118. OK, your candidate is having a good day, enjoy it

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. Alas he is not my candidate

but I do enjoy democracy

[lunamagica]

120. OK

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. That must have pissed you off

but I keep my vote to myself... and i do not expect my primary to count either. I am going for MINIMUM WAGE.

[lunamagica]

123. No, I'm fine...it's that you sounded to me like a Sanders supporter

Sorry if i was mistaken

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. I do analysis, I cannot stand the partisanship

m'kay and this is getting down right dangerous

[George II]

143. If, if, if. The Democratic Party doesn't operate on "ifs", they operate on reality. And....

...."for the record", I don't think anyone on DU really cares what the gop does, at least they shouldn't. They should be more concerned with supporting the Democratic Party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

144. George if the D side of the house, as in leadership, is not concerned

bout civil disobedience, well then.

I know that I am, as a citizen.

And yes, the IF I presented is not that crazy depending on a few factors. Live with it, or not, I really could give two shits about it.

And the fact that this has to be explained on a site where people who claim (many don't) to know how the system works have to have these things explained is embarrassing.

[George II]

145. Believe me, Ms. brzezinski, you do not have to explain these things, we all get it, just not.....

....your take on "this".

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. Beieve me you can be as condescending as you want to be

it is hilarious

[George II]

147. In what manner is what I said "condescending"?

[KPN]

105. Interesting hopw the Hillary campaign and supporters

tried very hard to smear Bernie by pointing to "all the Democratic Party fundraisers he participated in in which Wall Street types were present", and now they say he's never done a thing to help the DNC raise money.

They just can't help themselves -- with all the deception, they can't keep their lies straight.

[frylock]

106. Don't insult and bash people whose support you'll want later. It's not wise.

The ironing is delicious!

[ibegurpard]

122. if you're representing a state

That goes for the opponent of the person you endorsed by a landslide then you might want to rethink that endorsement.

[jg10003]

125. Super Delegates are politicians & politicians main concern is to win.

Talk all you want about the will of the voters, the democratic process, etc. Assuming Clinton does not have enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination, then ultimately the TPTB in the party will nominate whoever has the best chance of winning. Remember, the GOP has their convention first. This means that the big-whigs in the party will have time to evaluate who the strongest candidate will be.

[lunamagica]

128. She's hundreds PDs ahead of Sanders

[ViseGrip]

126. For ignoring them, the voters will throw their asses out? Maybe?

[Roland99]

129. What a BS premise

Look at how the DNC with DWS at the helm has mistreated Bernie all along. And for all the good he's done for the party for decades.

[lunamagica]

130. OK, then. He's also losing big the PDs

[krawhitham]

131. He has helped raise money for other Democratics

[libtodeath]

135. Party before principle is what you call for.

[lunamagica]

141. No, I'm calling respect. Respect for the will of the voters

[cui bono]

149. And when will you be calling on respect from Hillary?

She's the one who keeps lying about Bernie and attempting to smear him. He has run a very respectful campaign.

.

[SheilaT]

136. The super delegates have, so far, always gone with

the candidate with the most regular delegates. If Bernie gets the majority of the regular delegates and the supers stick with Hillary, she'll lose the general election big time. If she gets to the end of the primary season with the majority of regular delegates, then great! They'll be doing the right thing.

Oh, and to quote you: Don't insult and bash people whose support you'll want later. It's not wise. A little respect goes a long way.

[George II]

140. There isn't a single reason for any of the superdelegates to change their vote/endorsement....

...why would they?

As you point out, Clinton has raised tens of millions of dollars to help other DEMOCRATS in their election campaigns, including many of the superdelegates themselves. Sanders hasn't raised a penny for them.

Who in their right mind would support someone who didn't lift a finger for them to get elected? No one!

As they say, "that's politics"!