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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:46 PM Mar 2016

It is amazing "inevitable" hillary is still losing states. This late she should win them all.

Face it, many many people do not like her, do not trust her and do not want her to be the nominee.

Remember, no one knew Bernie. He was not a national political figure known to a lot of people. Sort of like Obama who was not widely known but kicked hills butt.

She has a hard time sealing the deal.

She probably will win in the end, but losing these states is not good news for her.

Thank god the GOP have terrible candidates, because that might be the only reason we in in November with hill running.





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It is amazing "inevitable" hillary is still losing states. This late she should win them all. (Original Post) Logical Mar 2016 OP
Unable to win and be happy about it without attacking Hillary? THAT is why she can lose in GE if Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #1
Why is anything, no matter how truthful, that is disadvantage to Hillary.... daleanime Mar 2016 #27
The primary was front-loaded with Hillary-favorable states by design. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #2
Remember how quickly that "Hillary Logo" font appeared here at DU? arcane1 Mar 2016 #10
that DU bubble seems to cover America reddread Mar 2016 #38
You might want to review the dates for the 2008 primaries and caucuses. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #22
Truth doesn't fit the rigged/conspiracy junk spread here. Hoyt Mar 2016 #26
So when did we finally start the debates? daleanime Mar 2016 #29
Thank you for throwing cold water on yet another silly conspiracy theory mythology Mar 2016 #28
Sing it! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #30
It was not good news Sanders has not won in several states and the delegates Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #3
No, Hillary had a HUGE advantage she has not cashed in on. A unknown has won states from her. nt Logical Mar 2016 #12
Maybe not enough for the unknown. I am puzzled why you call Sanders Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #15
Seriously? Really? You think Bernie was well known compared to Hillary? nt Logical Mar 2016 #18
I think Hillary has been active in many areas, personally I have known Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #23
You're so right... well known in Vermont, sure, but not really elsewhere. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #31
Here you go..... Logical Mar 2016 #19
Welcome to November I am afraid. libtodeath Mar 2016 #4
People havent been listening to their betters and elders, telling em who theyre allowed to vote for Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #5
True! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #36
Apparently New York and Pennsylvania are the new firewall.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #6
Actually, you are wrong. Look at 2008. Onlooker Mar 2016 #7
But she was WELL KNOWN, like this year. And Obama was UNKNOWN. She was expected to win. nt Logical Mar 2016 #11
Obama gave the keynote speech in 2006, people remembered him from Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #17
Every possible advantage in her favor, and she still can't seal the deal. EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #8
Yep. Bernie didn't marry Bill Clinton and get eight years of free publicity in the White House. tabasco Mar 2016 #9
And Bernie's not just squeaking 'em out, either. XemaSab Mar 2016 #13
And not just the states, he kicked her ass in every county in WA XemaSab Mar 2016 #14
Only one county in Oklahoma went for hill madokie Mar 2016 #35
That is great! nt Logical Mar 2016 #39
So true! nt Logical Mar 2016 #16
true Logical Mar 2016 #37
Not just losing. Getting plummeted. morningfog Mar 2016 #20
Love it! It's not over till its over. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #32
Bernie isn't famous for being married to a president. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #21
Good point karynnj Mar 2016 #24
Great points! nt Logical Mar 2016 #25
Wait which is it? mythology Mar 2016 #33
Hmmmm, Obama, unknown, beats Hill. Bernie, unknown, was down by 50 now down by 8. Interesting. nt Logical Mar 2016 #34

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
27. Why is anything, no matter how truthful, that is disadvantage to Hillary....
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

an "attack"? Sorry to be the bear of bad news, but she's not very popular with a large chunk of the population. Like it or not that's simply the truth.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
2. The primary was front-loaded with Hillary-favorable states by design.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

Debates were pushed back to the Fall while the Clinton campaign harvested early voting before voters had a chance to get to know Bernie.

Now it's the progressive West Coast's chance to weigh in and our voices are/will be loud and clear.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. Remember how quickly that "Hillary Logo" font appeared here at DU?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

It must've been rather embarrassing for the site to go 80% for Sanders after he announced

LiberalFighter

(50,825 posts)
22. You might want to review the dates for the 2008 primaries and caucuses.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

Nearly every state are either holding their primaries when they normally hold them regardless of presidential years or it is nearly at least 1 month later than they were held in 2008.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
28. Thank you for throwing cold water on yet another silly conspiracy theory
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

It's amazing how many of them there are and how ungrounded in reality these theories are.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. It was not good news Sanders has not won in several states and the delegates
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

Went to Hillary. Sanders has to win big in all of the other states. Hillary has not shunned any state, I doubt she will start now. Currently she has more votes than Sanders so this says more people likes Hillary than Bernie.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. Maybe not enough for the unknown. I am puzzled why you call Sanders
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:08 PM
Mar 2016

An unknown when he has been in elected offices three times as long as Hillary?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
23. I think Hillary has been active in many areas, personally I have known
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

About Hillary since the eighties. I would have thought someone elected to mayor since 1980 and to Congress would be much higher profile than Hillary who was not elected to the Senate in 2000.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
31. You're so right... well known in Vermont, sure, but not really elsewhere.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Obama gave the keynote speech in 2006, people remembered him from
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

The speech, see speeches are good.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
8. Every possible advantage in her favor, and she still can't seal the deal.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

I have to wonder how different the results might be if the earliest states were allowed to re-vote today.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
9. Yep. Bernie didn't marry Bill Clinton and get eight years of free publicity in the White House.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

Which reminds me: even with a Dem Congress, H. Clinton could not achieve health care reform.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
14. And not just the states, he kicked her ass in every county in WA
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

That should be a wake up call for TPTB.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
35. Only one county in Oklahoma went for hill
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

Oklahoma county. 76 of the 77 counties went for Bernie

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
21. Bernie isn't famous for being married to a president.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

Too bad he has had to deal with a nearly total media blackout.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
24. Good point
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

To some degree, before the race started, it was considered to be like 2000. Where everyone in power had conceded it was Gore's turn. If anything Bill Bradley looked to be a stronger challenger than any of the people who entered the race against Clinton. Once the votes started, Gore ran the table - winning every state.

Instead, it is fits in the range of contested races. It does not particularly look like any other year. It is not 2008, where Obama and Clinton were always surprisingly neck and neck - after the story being that she was inevitable. It is not as strong and well run a primary fight as Kerry 2004, where he lost 4 states, 2 of which were to favorite sons who had already conceded before those contests.It also isn't 1992, where Clinton got off to a slow start and then needed until June to close the deal. It might be closest to Mondale/Hart 1984 - where Mondale, was the establishment candidate and Hart, at some points gave him a run for his money.

What is unusual is that Bernie has made this a contest to the degree that he has with the entire Democratic power structure against him. This likely caught many pundits and maybe the Clinton campaign by surprise. It is an indication of how strong the dissatisfaction with the status quo really is. I looked at the polling on right direction wrong direction done by Gallup - concerned when people referred to how poor it is. However, looking back it has been pretty poor since the early years in this decade (the beginning of the data I saw.) It might be that we are back to the 1960s mode.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. Wait which is it?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

It's too early for Sanders to drop out because only half the delegates have been awarded, or it's too late for Clinton to lose because she's inevitable? It can't be both.

But let's say for a moment that you're right. A candidate with a substantial edge in pledged delegates and the popular vote losing in a primary late in the calendar spells disaster. Which is exactly why after losing Pennsylvania on April 22, West Virginia on May 13th and Kentucky on May 20th, Obama was handily defeated by John McCain due to this obvious weakness in his candidacy. And thus we have suffered these last 8 years of the McCain/Palin presidency. Oh wait, that didn't happen at all.

It's almost like winning or losing a state that has a non-representative demographic voting population doesn't actually tell you much because it's not representative of the larger voting population.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
34. Hmmmm, Obama, unknown, beats Hill. Bernie, unknown, was down by 50 now down by 8. Interesting. nt
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016
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