Accusations of Vote Fraud at the Democratic Caucus in Alaska

[bravenak]

https://m.

Very interesting. I saw nothing wrong myself.

[floriduck]

1. Me neither. I wonder what the issue was. nm

[bravenak]

8. After the second vote some Hillary people left

They (sanders supporters)wanted their votes thrown off but it had been certified after the second round. They also disagreed with the numbers too, but it had been certified by the party.

[floriduck]

16. In Washington, they could leave after the second vote

and it counted. Not sure how Alaska runs things. Thanks for explaining it to me.

[bravenak]

20. Same thing here.

Some people just did not understand the rules.

[Loki]

117. Imagine that.

Not understanding the rules, or thinking the rules just don't apply to them. Sound Familitar?

[Cha]

2. K&R.. Mahalo for caucusing for Hillary in Alaska, brave!

[bravenak]

9. It was fun!

I got some free Hillary signs to put up in my windows. Need them for the General.

[Cha]

35. Oh wow.. That does sound like Fun!

[stevenleser]

3. I guess the Tweets I posted can't be so easily dismissed now. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. ???

[Krytan11c]

10. Another link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511582300

The folks who hid it probably had a problem with your antisemitic source.

[stevenleser]

14. I doubt it. There were six sources and I am Jewish and the son of a holocaust survivor. nt

[Krytan11c]

24. And you're also a journalist

Which means you should do some verifying before posting.

In light of recent events on this board people are taking even whiffs of antisemitism very seriously.

[stevenleser]

27. I did plenty of verification. There are six sources. That is four more than most journalists need.

And that person is being accused of being antisemitic from one questionable tweet that is not particularly antisemitic.

[Krytan11c]

37. And..

You know they are talking about the same event?
You asked these sources about what happened? Or did you just go off the tweets?
Is there any video?

And btw in the link i posted above there are 3 antisemitic tweets, obvious ones, not one iffy tweet.

[stevenleser]

45. I only see one. BTW, are the other five sources I posted in my hidden posts accused of antisemitism

too?

[Krytan11c]

48. You see one, I see three nbd

And as far as I know of no, they're not. However, you should know that one bad source can ruin a story.

[Hortensis]

105. Supply an excuse for shabby partisan behavior sounds more like.

As truth and free speech lovers (surely you are), shouldn't you deplore this hide?

[Krytan11c]

120. Scroll down

You'll see that I called his hide in this thread bull. I didn't alert or serve on the jury for his other thread. I was just pointing out why it could have been hidden and having a discussion with him about it.

[Hortensis]

122. You absolved yourself, of course, but those

who did this thing are not. Shabby excuses and none at all among those you are arguing on behalf of are all too common.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Six twitter accounts.

Thank Carlos Danger no one has ever made more than one of those, huh.

[NorthCarolina]

121. Aren't real "journalists"

typically fair and unbiased as opposed to partisan? I think "pundit" is the word you were searching for.

Pundit - A pundit (sometimes also called a talking head) is a person who offers to mass media his or her opinion or commentary on a particular subject area.

Journalist - The social work and work-craft, and profession (high-level) of reporting on the events, facts, and people that are the "news of the day," such that a society is "informed,"and including the principles of — truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability — as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.

When he chose to advocate FOR a Hillary Clinton based on his "Opinion", and to use his position to actively work to the detriment of the Sanders campaign he ceased being a "journalist" and moved into the role of "pundit". A true journalist is unbiased in their reporting, not using their position to advocate.

[Krytan11c]

123. I know the difference

He calls himself a journalist AFAIK. That's why I was pointing out the issues with his previous thread.

[NorthCarolina]

125. No, he's not a journalist by definition. Using his position

to advocate for a particular candidate as opposed to fair, unbiased reporting, puts him in the role of paid punditry, or pay for advocacy under the seeming guise of journalism.

[bravenak]

49. That was a bad hide.

[Krytan11c]

50. Yeah, that one was bull

BTW thanks for caucusing today even though I disagree with your choice of candidate.

[bravenak]

51. No prob

It was fun and we all were democrats.

[Dem2]

17. It was fascinating to see your thread locked

But a single anecdotal report by someone on Facebook - it's good.

Skinner needs to get to this jury issue sooner than later.

[stevenleser]

21. Yep. I would say there is a double standard, but even that is too generous for whats happening

around here.

[jeff47]

29. Yes, it is fascinating to see people cite antisemitic twitter accounts when it advances their cause.

[stevenleser]

31. It wasnt an antisemitic twitter account. And there are six sources. Not even a good try. nt

[jeff47]

34. Really?

You might wanna actually break out that journalistic training and look at the past tweets from that account. They are rather interesting.

But hey, anything to advance your cause, right?

[stevenleser]

38. By all means, lets bring Behind the Aegis, host of the Jewish group here to see if he agrees.

I'll PM him. He and I have had many discussions about such things in the past.

I can predict what he will say and let's see if he agrees. He and I have noted that many folks who have seemingly had no interest in antisemitism and Jewish issues before will all of a sudden show extreme interest and elevate what is at most an insensitive comment to full blown Nazism if it satisfies a political cause of the moment. I'm betting he sees the one comment by that twitter poster exactly that way.

Stand by.

[jeff47]

42. Because that would change the history of past tweets?

Ya got caught being sloppy. The proper thing to do is move on and not be so sloppy next time.

[Ghost Dog]

58. Don't hold your breath...

Egos at play.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. WHY THE HELL WAS THAT POST HIDDEN?

[stevenleser]

33. C'mon, you and I both know the answer to that question.

[jeff47]

36. One of his main sources in that post has a history of antisemitic tweets.

I wasn't on the jury, but some might find that problematic.

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. How many jurors referred to that? ...

With all due respect ... that has the smell of bullshit.

[jeff47]

54. No idea, since I wasn't on the jury.

The alerter could have pointed them to the tweet history. Or not.

Steve could post the jury results.

[stevenleser]

39. See my post #38. nt

[bravenak]

6. Guess not

I was surprised at the disturbance. After such a great win, I thougt people would be cheering, not calling for arrests.

[Thinkingabout]

12. Not the first time for calls to arrest.

[bravenak]

15. I was shocked to hear that.

I really was.

[Thinkingabout]

23. Now you may know how others have felt, this day is over, on to the

Next primaries, thanks for working for Hillary. Don't fall to intimidation.

[bravenak]

43. Yep.

We are almost home.

[Thinkingabout]

52. Yes and we can still hold our heads high and stay on the high road

And out of the ditch.

[bvf]

59. Not to mix metaphors...

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but that ship has sailed.

[stevenleser]

13. One would think. Pretty fascinating actually. nt

[bravenak]

18. Fascinating ain't even the half of it.

There were thing going on the entire time that I will keep to myself.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Yes they can, that was not harrasment from mythical bernie bros

nice effort at conflating, I give you a B, maybe a B+ for effort

[stevenleser]

22. Nope, they can't. Bravenak and I have talked privately about what was happening there. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Of course you have

whatever buddy

She said she did not see anything in the OP, so what is it?

Anyway, watching hawaii myself.

and this from the OP_

Very interesting. I saw nothing wrong myself.

[stevenleser]

28. If you doubt it, ask her, she's right here. nt

[nc4bo]

26. Why even bother Nadin? We have the party section in one corner and the potty section in the other.

Neither are compatible with one another at this time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. I don't know, but hawaii might be cooking

twitter is already full of reports, that of course I cannot confirm... so will give them the same validity as what Steven posted about mythical bernie bros. (That is until I find somebody I know in person)

[nc4bo]

46. Yep, I see what you mean. nt

[lunamagica]

4. Interesting. Thanks for posting and for caucasing, Brave

[bravenak]

11. It was fun!!

[George II]

40. Voter fraud????

Unbelievable, especially when you play the game from the outside in.

I guess the big problem was that some voters were distracted because they could see Russia from their caucus!

[bravenak]

41. Yeah

It was surreal.

[mcar]

44. This should be investigated, I would think

Hope you enjoyed your caucus experience!

[bravenak]

47. I did!

Had a good time with my Hillary crew.

[Smarmie Doofus]

111. But you don't even like Hillary. nt

[libtodeath]

115. Whoops

[Lordquinton]

56. Election fraud is a serious issue

I'm sure it will be treated as seriously as all the documented reports of Clinton interference of Caucasus over the past several months.

[bravenak]

57. There was no Clinton interference

I was at the Caucus, so I know that it was all certified before I walked out.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. #hillarybros

[bravenak]

61. OMG

[Chitown Kev]

62. Hope you had fun, bravenak

That did seem to be a lot of drama, going on about prison and things...

[bravenak]

63. I had a great time.

I have no idea who they wanted to go to prison... They just did not understand how the process worked, lol. It went on for a while before I started filming....

[Number23]

64. Awwww sooky sooky now! No wonder why a few folks are so BERRNED up that they couldn't shut you

up??!

Girl, you are taking this to a whole 'nother level now! No wonder they are so pissed!!!

[bravenak]

65. Same in person as here. Samesies.

I was kinda calmed after seeing it in person full force. Prison? OMG. And yes. I was told about the wonderful MLK. Because I must not have known anything about him. It was surreal. Like, never mind. Meeting 'you know who' in person. It was like that.

[Number23]

66. I TOTALLY get the rage now. They've been trying for months to shut you up. To run you off this site

and you, not only have not left, but are now taking this shit right to 'em from an entirely different angle.

And yes. I was told about the wonderful MLK.

Do tell. I guess we should be comforted in knowing that the particular brand of paternalistic cluelessness that has blanketed this site for months on end is not just confined to DU.

[bravenak]

67. He was so EARNEST!!

Like he had finally found a student to teach. Like it was 'Dangerous Minds'... I told him I had to GO.

[Number23]

68. For shits and giggles, I just read quite a few stories in the int'l press on the haps today

Without fail, every last story regardless of whether the news organization was left wing or not, was "Bernie sweeps Saturday! Still lags terribly behind Clinton" or "Bernie wins three states! Still faces massive shortcomings against front runner Clinton." Every one. Without fail.

Most of the articles noted that Clinton barely even refers to him anymore, she's lasered in on Trump.

[delrem]

70. That's why she's losing 80/20, 70/30, in Washington, Alaska, Hawaii.

It's like you guys haven't a clue.

[Number23]

71. It's like the point I was making to bravenak just sailed over your head. And you still felt compelle

to respond. And her wins in Mississippi and South Carolina and other states was every bit as thorough as his wins today. The difference is, the states she won were heavy on delegates unlike the vast majority of Sanders' wins.

So let me do this again: "Sanders wins three states: STILL DESPERATELY LAGS BEHIND CLINTON" and "Sanders sweeps Saturday! Still has almost insurmountable delegate deficit to overcome."

She is still winning. Handily. Which is exactly what the press is saying and which you are desperately trying to act as though you don't understand.

[delrem]

72. He didn't just "win" those states. He won them decisively.

That's what you and bravenak don't get.

The meme you and bravenak have been running with is that Sanders' supporters are racists.
That meme isn't supported by facts. It's just pushed and pushed and pushed, relentlessly.
As if by a PAC.

[Number23]

73. And she has won equally as decisively in other states with far more significant delegate counts

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Which is why she's winning the delegate count, the popular vote, the super delegate count and pretty much everything else.

The meme you and bravenak have been running with is that Sanders' supporters are racists.

Your guy is losing. Lying about me and bravenak won't change any of that. It really won't. Your post says everything that needs to be said about how psychotic this web site is now. You are flat out LYING about me.

[delrem]

74. Yes, you are correct.

But don't you tell me that you and bravenak haven't been calling "white progressives" who support Sanders racists.
Because you have. I have the PMs to prove it.

[Number23]

75. Post them. Post EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Right here in this thread.

And let me add your bullshit to my post before you "accidentally" hit that self delete button:

delrem (9,253 posts)
74. Yes, you are correct.

But don't you tell me that you and bravenak haven't been calling "white progressives" who support Sanders racists.
Because you have. I have the PMs to prove it.

[delrem]

76. OK, with bravenak's permission, I will post them. /nt

eta: I will post them all. My own responses included so full context is provided.
Why not?

[Number23]

78. Fuck that. You say you have PM's that prove your BS, I give you permission to post them right here

[delrem]

79. No. The PMs were from bravenak.

You haven't permission rights for bravenak.

[Number23]

80. POST THE PMs. I'm sure bravenak won't mind. Since you got PM's that show where I called every white

Sanders supporter a racist, POST THEM.

[delrem]

83. You don't seem to be a friend of bravenak.

You don't know what you're trying to egg on.

Or maybe you do.

But I'm going to leave you go, buster.

[Number23]

85. POST YOUR PM's. You raced into this thread to toss around your lies and now I'm saying "post your

proof" and you're posting every damn thing but proof. Most folks would have at least a twinge of decency to behave this way but it's clear that with some of you, the amount of hatred you guys have for certain folks here is fucking astonishing.

I don't know what I did to get on your bad side and I don't give the first damn about it. I'd do it all over again if I knew. I don't know what you people's problem is but I just thank God that you and the type of people you represent will never be my ally on ANY issue.

And I'm copying in this too just in case that self-delete button gets "accidentally" pressed:

delrem (9,258 posts)
83. You don't seem to be a friend of bravenak.

You don't know what you're trying to egg on.

Or maybe you do.

But I'm going to leave you go, buster.

[delrem]

86. You seem disturbed.

[Number23]

88. I was fine until you came in with your garbage. Why don't you toddle off now and find someone else

to lie about?

[delrem]

89. Hey, if that'll settle you down, OK.

Have a peaceful night, Number23.

[Number23]

90. I'd tell you exactly what to do with yourself, but you're not worth the hide

And I don't even care about hides.

[delrem]

91. Hey, it wasn't me who came up with the term "BernieBro", or #Berniesoblack

or any of the fun stuff that you guys indulged in.
Don't give me credit for that.

I was kinda like "wtf", myself.

[Number23]

92. Neither bravenak or myself came up with it either. And how fucked up is it that you are acting as

though we did? What is wrong with you?

Perhaps, instead of screaming "STOP CALLING ME A RACISt!!11" and covering your delicate ears, you could have actually read, listened and made even the tiniest effort to understand what the THOUSANDS of black folks that participated in those themes and other ones were trying to say.

But instead, it's apparently much easier for you NINE MONTHS LATER to come racing into a thread and accuse two posters here of doing something knowing good andgod damned well that we didn't. But we share the same melanin quotient as the folks that came up with with the #Berniesoblack tag so we gotta be guilty some kind of way, right? Do you people HEAR your damn selves?

[delrem]

93. I've got a memory. Too bad for that. /nt

[Number23]

94. Anyone reading this thread can see what you "got." Nothing

[delrem]

96. I invite all persons to read this thread. Let any of the poor buggers decide. /nt

[Number23]

98. The poor "buggers" will see you talking crap and scurrying away when repeatedly asked for proof

[bravenak]

99. Made it up

I never discuss YOU with HIM. He was on ignore until this subthread. Putting him back on now, with everybody else.

[Number23]

100. Like I said, the hatred some here have for others is fucking astonishing

I don't know what in God's name is wrong with so many of the people here. I truly don't. And I want nothing to do with so many of them.

[bravenak]

101. My ignore list is so damn LONG

And it feels GOOD. Just sayin. No need to abuse yourself reading nonsense anymore. You know I tried to reason. Nothing ever helped. I just say fuck it now and just post my ops and use ignore liberally. I know they saying stuff to me, and I enjoy not reading it.

[Bobbie Jo]

130. They're not saying stuff TO you, brave

They're saying stuff about you among themselves.

It's incredibly childish not to mention creepy as hell.
These targeted pile ons remind me of the crap you used to see in grade school, but we're talking about fucking grown people here.

I suppose there's safety in numbers, because it's never just one of them.

It needs to stop, and at this point I think admin needs to stop enabling this kind of harassment.

[bravenak]

131. Are they still at it?

Kinda strange that people are always talking and thinking about me. I refuse to participate in that kinda stuff.

[1StrongBlackMan]

119. That one is on some real different shit ... LOL. n/t

[bravenak]

95. I have never spoken about Number23 to you

I just looked through my pms because I was wondering wtf you were on about. You claimed I called you racist. I told you I don't care. I have them right here. I sent them to her. Now, post this evidence or just go on. Down to making stuff up at this point. Why in the name of all that's good would I EVER discuss her with somebody like YOU? I would not.

[bravenak]

97. Post them

[delrem]

102. OK

bravenak
I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!

delrem
Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
Mail Message

you hurt me in a way I hadn't been hurt in years!
I don't understand because I don't even know you.

bravenak
Re: Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
Mail Message
I felt the same way!!

>
> you hurt me in a way I hadn't been hurt in years!
> I don't understand because I don't even know you.

delrem
Re: Re: Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
Mail Message
Well, at this point I don't give a damn.
You call me a racist, I don't give a damn.
I just don't give a damn and I'm going to trash you for real.

Bye.

bravenak
Re: Re: Re: Re: I lied when I said I put you on ignore. Congrats on the election!
Mail Message
I call them like I see them. You treat all of us blacks like shit them complain when we notice. I don't give a fuck if you trash me you stupid vainglorious asswipe. You act fucking racist so u get called on it.
If it wasn't true ur stupid ass wouldn't be so pissed. Truth fucking hurts huh? After that black lives matters shit, we got a bunch of fucking racists on bernie's side. Deal with it. I can curse too fucktard.
> Well, at this point I don't give a damn.
> You call me a racist, I don't give a damn.
> I just don't give a damn and I'm going to trash you for real.
>
> Bye.

[bravenak]

103. What does any of that have to do with her?

You said I said she called you ALL names. None of that said anything about her.

[Matt_in_STL]

104. Honestly, I wouldn't even worry about it

When an avowed anti-Semite goes around accusing everyone else of racism I think it is just a mechanism to cover up those racist beliefs.

[bravenak]

82. No need to even bring him up

He really is done.

[1StrongBlackMan]

118. Wow ... that one is really "interesting". n/t

[delrem]

69. 81.6 vs 18.4 percent.

It seems to me that rational people prevailed.

[Ichingcarpenter]

77. Shit post

stirring up untruths again.

[bravenak]

81. Bull

This is video evidence of the events today. You can talk mess, but you cannot say it did not happen.

[Ichingcarpenter]

84. Shit post I watched it

shit post

[bravenak]

87. Like i care one damn bit what anybody thinks about my posts

Really. I do not care what any of you guys think about anything

[DisgustipatedinCA]

106. Yeah? How's the big Federal investigation going? The one where you claim to have received mean mail?

Tell me another one, bravenak. I love all of your stories.

[bravenak]

109. You sure do love reading my posts

Heavens know why people obsess over everything I post and do.

[bravenak]

112. The feeling is mutual.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

113. Good enough.

[Ghost Dog]

107. Then why are you constantly posting, bravenak?

Wasting your time and energy.

[bravenak]

108. Don't worry about what I do

Worry about your own self. Much better use of YOUR time.

[Ghost Dog]

114. Ok, thanks for your concern.

Heading to the beach with a friend today; will be live-recording another friend playing cajón, claves cubanas, shakers, several guitars and a ukele through an iPad and loopstation in a local bar here in the island village tonight.

It's good to relax every now and then.

Spring has sprung! 22°C!

[libtodeath]

116. After some important revelations I am sure that feeling is more then mutual.

[bravenak]

126. Nice and redundant

[libtodeath]

128. Make your bed thing ya know.

[CalvinballPro]

124. Sanders sent one of his many SuperPACs to Alaska. I suspect that like the rest of his campaign...

...they had trouble following the rules as well.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

127. You do understand that when your hypothesis is based on a lie, the whole thing is bunk, don't you?

GDPro is played such that you're compelled to base your statements on verifiable facts.

[CalvinballPro]

129. Sanders had a SuperPAC in Alaska whose office was set up next door to one of his campaign offices.

http://time.com/4261350/bernie-sanders-super-pac-alaska-millenials/

The Anchorage-based America’s Youth PAC, made up almost entirely of former Bernie 2016 campaign staffers, is the latest unconventional outside group to throw its support behind the Vermont senator. Its leaders broke off from the Sanders campaign last week and have holed up in an old mall on the outskirts of town, just steps away from the official campaign’s office in the same building.

Now, what were you saying again? Yeah, I thought so.

[fun n serious]

132. Wow! He is doing that a lot and in every state. nt