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are you (a) PRO Citizens United, (b) ashamed to admit it, or (c) (Original Post) reddread Mar 2016 OP
There's only two choices? Pass. Metric System Mar 2016 #1
No, there are three. a, b and c. cui bono Mar 2016 #9
Bernie Supporter Here - The DNC DWS DLC HRC Third-Way Be Damned cantbeserious Mar 2016 #2
That's a lot of acronyms - and all of them leave a bad taste. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #20
I am pro Citizens United Gwhittey Mar 2016 #3
Ya got me MadBadger Mar 2016 #4
Have a clue Tanuki Mar 2016 #5
then she wont have a problem releasing those paid speach transcripts right? litlbilly Mar 2016 #17
It also looks like she will have to get money the way Bernie is, especially now that her huge litlbilly Mar 2016 #18
I used to be a corporatist---Full Circle Building Corp. panader0 Mar 2016 #6
Do you even know the history of the decision. DURHAM D Mar 2016 #7
+1 Lucinda Mar 2016 #13
C - I am proud Bernie Sanders supporter. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #8
I wish I had a simple answer for Citizens United. I don't like the idea that the FEC can just tell Recursion Mar 2016 #10
It's a lesser-evils thing. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #12
There was one very glaring problem with the decision strategery blunder Mar 2016 #14
OTOH the support of a super-famous or super-eloquent person is worth immeasurably more Recursion Mar 2016 #19
d) I dislike false trichotomies. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #11
do you like a) strangling orphan kittens, b) drowning three-legged puppies NuclearDem Mar 2016 #15
Que? Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #16
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
20. That's a lot of acronyms - and all of them leave a bad taste.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

May we please change the menu to something palatable?

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
18. It also looks like she will have to get money the way Bernie is, especially now that her huge
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

donor base might be holding on to their money a little tighter.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. I used to be a corporatist---Full Circle Building Corp.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

We had a general license and made a few big donations: Turkeys to employees at Xmas
and a beautiful dress for an employee's daughter's quinceanera.
do I need the sarcasm thing?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. I wish I had a simple answer for Citizens United. I don't like the idea that the FEC can just tell
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

a filmmaker that he can't release his film because an election is happening soon.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
12. It's a lesser-evils thing.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

I think that Citizen's United was 100% correct as a matter of constitutional law: restrictions on political campaigning are precisely the thing the 1st amendment was put in place to prevent.

I also think most DUers are far, far too blase about the costs of overturning it.

But it's also the case that it means that the political support of a rich person is worth immeasurably more than the political support of a poor person, and hence that government is even more likely to disproportionately represent their views and interests.

And I think that that means that - even though it would be a massive, appalling infringement of freedom of speech - a constitutional amendment to reverse it might well be the lesser evil.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
14. There was one very glaring problem with the decision
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

And that was Justice Kennedy's sweeping proclamation that unlimited campaign contributions cannot create the quid pro quo and appearance of corruption that campaign finance restrictions had been intended to prevent.

That was, to be blunt, an assertion unsupported by evidence, and the decision rests so heavily upon that assertion for its logical validity (recognizing here that the Supreme Court is allowed to effectively pull legal validity out of its ass).

Now, the wealthy are permitted to openly bribe politicians under the guise of "campaign contributions" and related super PACS, and are nigh untouchable. It is nearly impossible to prosecute corruption anymore, unless the politicians and purchasers thereof involved are EXCEEDINGLY stupid and self-incriminating.

Even the First Amendment is not absolute; perhaps at the time the decision was made the campaign finance laws at question could not pass the applicable standard of strict scrutiny. But if the SCOTUS had an opportunity to revisit the decision, and looked objectively at how much easier it has become for corruption to control the political process (especially should Bernie lose the nomination), some kinds of restrictions to tamp down brazen buying of legislative favors and allow the People to not have their voice suffocated by lobbyist money might be able to pass strict scrutiny now.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. OTOH the support of a super-famous or super-eloquent person is worth immeasurably more
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

than the support of an unknown or inarticulate person. (For that matter Bono's and others' activism is based on that idea.) What makes money different?

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. do you like a) strangling orphan kittens, b) drowning three-legged puppies
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:21 AM
Mar 2016

or are you c) a Clinton supporter?

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