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So let me get this straight, hillary is sunk (Original Post) okieinpain Mar 2016 OP
Bernie voted for it bravenak Mar 2016 #1
Are they whitesplainin' again? leftofcool Mar 2016 #3
You got it bravenak Mar 2016 #10
Because of the violence against women part of the bill. Punkingal Mar 2016 #4
This is why Bill signed the bill. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #8
Actually it was the children hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #16
Maybe the story will change next week. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #23
Bernie has voted against other bills for minor reasons in the past to maintain his purity Trenzalore Mar 2016 #27
No excuse. If Clinton gets blame so does Sanders. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #36
Was just going to say Sanders voted for the bill, guess now Sanders is sunk. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #5
They always forget to say that part bravenak Mar 2016 #11
Fair is fair. sheshe2 Mar 2016 #22
Shhhh! MADem Mar 2016 #6
Righto! bravenak Mar 2016 #13
Yes along with the black caucus NWCorona Mar 2016 #9
Vote counts just the same bravenak Mar 2016 #12
I never said it didn't NWCorona Mar 2016 #20
Yes. dchill Mar 2016 #2
I'm not to sure this is going to be a productive discussion NWCorona Mar 2016 #7
One more paragraph about what? scscholar Mar 2016 #14
This just seems that this is kinda flamish. NWCorona Mar 2016 #18
I'm going to assume you don't understand the multitude of reasons this OP is problematic Godhumor Mar 2016 #15
not sunk FreedomRain Mar 2016 #17
Hillary should be indicted in May yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #19
You should be ashamed of yourself DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #24
sure seems it with all the right wingers around here lately. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #28
You better start watching this email disaster more closely yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #33
I know right? beedle Mar 2016 #21
In other words he was the against the bill before he was for it./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #29
No, his stance is still clear beedle Mar 2016 #35
We can either educate or electrocute. MelungeonWoman Mar 2016 #31
too bad she's still ahead in popular vote by a mile and delegates decisively. ericson00 Mar 2016 #25
Sigh...not this shit again uponit7771 Mar 2016 #26
compared to her long term efforts for welfare reform? reddread Mar 2016 #30
No Democrat has ever won a majority of the white vote for President after 1964 BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #32
that would suppose that the crime bill is all black voters are concerned with bigtree Mar 2016 #34
 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
16. Actually it was the children
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

There was a big concern back then about hyper-violent children becoming criminals.



21:40. He really hammers away at that idea. The crime bill was supposed to deter most and incarcerate the incorrigible ones. But it just tagged a generation as criminals and tore apart poor communities. Just as many had predicted.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
27. Bernie has voted against other bills for minor reasons in the past to maintain his purity
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:57 AM
Mar 2016

I believe he had some reason for being against Amber Alerts, and the Brady Bill, etc.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
9. Yes along with the black caucus
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

The difference is that Bernie CBC and the rest of the Democrats. Didn't use demonizing language to get it passed.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
15. I'm going to assume you don't understand the multitude of reasons this OP is problematic
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

But you might want to seriously consider a self-delete.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
33. You better start watching this email disaster more closely
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

The unfolding shady activity has
nothing to do with a right wing evil conspiracy to discredit
Hillary and everything to do with the Clinton Foundation
business model.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
21. I know right?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

They had exactly the same stance on the bill so how can one have two different opinions on their supp .. o ...r.... OH!


U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager on Thursday reiterated the senator’s reasoning for voting in favor of the Clinton administration’s 1994 Crime Bill despite serious reservations. The House version of the bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons. Sanders had supported the ban since 1988. The conference committee version included not only the assault weapons ban but also the Violence Against Women Act provisions. Sanders supported these efforts to protect women.

In Sanders’ statement at the time, he criticized the mass incarceration and death penalty provisions in the bill, saying:

“…it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence.

And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world, will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails.

Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.”

During consideration of the bill, Sanders voted six times to weaken or eliminate the death penalty provisions and voted separately against creating new mandatory minimums. Then-First Lady Hillary Clinton spoke strongly in favor of increased incarceration, labeling at risk youth as “super-predators” who had to be “brought to heel.”


Seems there was only one thing that could possibly get Hillary to put aside her strong aversion to firearms, the thought of putting "$uper predator$" into the Prison Industrial Complex.
 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
35. No, his stance is still clear
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

it hasn't really changed ... he's for doing something about violence against women, and still wants to gut the stupid part of the bill that has failed.

If he had voted against the bill you'd be claiming he didn't do enough to stop violence against women.

He may have voted for the bill, but he had the right position on all the sections of that bill, unlike Hillary who once again showed poor judgement in the parts she supported.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
25. too bad she's still ahead in popular vote by a mile and delegates decisively.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:25 AM
Mar 2016

yea, sunk like an iceberg.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
30. compared to her long term efforts for welfare reform?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

thats where the beef is.
her personal involvement
targeting services for
single mothers with children.

she is getting a bye from everyone on her darkest secret.

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
34. that would suppose that the crime bill is all black voters are concerned with
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:28 AM
Mar 2016

...that would be bad for Bernie, since he voted for it.

But, clearly, assigning blame for that that legislation isn't the primary consideration of the majority of these voters.

Hillary has a wide coalition of voters supporting her.

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