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EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:36 PM Mar 2016

LAT: FBI to interview Clinton

Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:04 PM - Edit history (1)

As has long been expected.

Clinton email probe enters new phase as FBI interviews loom

Prosecutors also are expected to seek an interview with Clinton herself, though the timing remains unclear.

The interviews by FBI agents and prosecutors will play a significant role in helping them better understand whether Clinton or her aides knowingly or negligently discussed classified government secrets over a non-secure email system when she served as secretary of State.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html

And from the WaPo:

"Throughout, Clinton aides paid insufficient attention to laws and regulations governing the handling of classified material and the preservation of government records, interviews and documents show. They also neglected repeated warnings about the security of the BlackBerry while Clinton and her closest aides took obvious security risks in using the basement server."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
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LAT: FBI to interview Clinton (Original Post) EdwardBernays Mar 2016 OP
oh, my.... Fairgo Mar 2016 #1
haha - YEP! 840high Mar 2016 #54
OOPs monicaangela Mar 2016 #101
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #2
WaPo major story on this today. grasswire Mar 2016 #3
There was a time when just the thought of having to give an interview NWCorona Mar 2016 #11
We should take bets about how far this has to go before she finally leveymg Mar 2016 #22
The next few weeks will be interesting. NWCorona Mar 2016 #23
It would be the right thing for Hillary to do... which is why I don't expect that to happen. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #32
"claw back" grasswire Mar 2016 #42
She got an office at Foggy Bottom and a bunch of jets last time. Why not do it again? leveymg Mar 2016 #96
Things Are Heating Up noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #17
Dear God, that WaPo article! Barack_America Mar 2016 #72
Sandy Berger, David Petraeus, ... TheDormouse Mar 2016 #4
Except that Patreaus might lose a star (that is tens of thousands of dollars) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #26
Sandy Berger is no longer toxic philosslayer Mar 2016 #93
I missed his death nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #107
No. The worst thing is that she's denied the White House and leveymg Mar 2016 #35
I want the Clinton Foundation exposed. grasswire Mar 2016 #43
So do I. 840high Mar 2016 #56
There was a lot of useful digging on this board into the Carlyle Group and its generosityto Bush. leveymg Mar 2016 #95
In an election season. Marr Mar 2016 #36
Sandy Berger died last December. Punkingal Mar 2016 #64
I expect Hillary will be covered perfectly well with plausible deniability. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #5
not after this roguevalley Mar 2016 #66
I hope Zira Mar 2016 #78
Now we will hear how this is another RW conspiracy... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #6
The timing couldn't be worse for Clinton NWCorona Mar 2016 #7
You mean for the real Democratic Party. floriduck Mar 2016 #28
she is not a victim here grasswire Mar 2016 #44
Agreed! No defending here NWCorona Mar 2016 #59
too late - Monday's lead story on Morning Joe nt floppyboo Mar 2016 #86
For us and the party. 840high Mar 2016 #58
No big deal. woolldog Mar 2016 #8
You pulled your head up from the sand to post this. RiverLover Mar 2016 #13
No Big Deal? noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #18
Meh. If it were Sanders being interviewed by the FBI demwing Mar 2016 #21
This EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #24
Hold it, I was told, promised et al nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #9
we were on this weeks ago nt grasswire Mar 2016 #12
John Deutch autorank Mar 2016 #57
You cover enough courts nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #65
Is this supposed to sound significant Dem2 Mar 2016 #10
Why are you still taking in absolutes? NWCorona Mar 2016 #15
This isn't a Men's Warehouse commercial Aerows Mar 2016 #81
Ooooooh Dem2 Mar 2016 #97
Hillary's talking point NWCorona Mar 2016 #14
As long as they don't interview her twice, she'll be ok. Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #16
Oh My noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #19
I'm glad I've leavened this tragedy with levity Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #41
My father always told me Aerows Mar 2016 #80
The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging is the reality of wrongdoing. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #20
Exactly!!! Perception is often what counts and sways events/mindsets. Often facts become RKP5637 Mar 2016 #31
And perception may be all we're gonna get. The system is rigged. RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #100
This is nothing, happens all the time, all other Secretaries of State went through FBI interviews morningfog Mar 2016 #25
No, it does not happen all the time nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #27
It's great in fact! The FBI is trying to clear Hillary's good name! DJ13 Mar 2016 #51
this is a done deal. the FBI WILL recommend indictment and the DOJ WON'T indict. Vote2016 Mar 2016 #29
If that is the case, we will have another Watergate. grasswire Mar 2016 #45
Began to leak already nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #55
FBI agents have said if she is not indicted they will resign Samantha Mar 2016 #71
"...or negligently discussed classified government secrets over a non-secure email system when she Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #30
"Knowledge or Reason to Believe"... n/t Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #79
If There is a Criminal Referral noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #33
Los Angeles Times is just another Right Wing Rag.. I don't think we're allowed to link to here 2banon Mar 2016 #34
There are several ways she could reply sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #37
It looks like there is just no end to the VRWC. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #38
This email fiasco matt819 Mar 2016 #39
Because someone is going through everything, letter by letter and making sure every "t" is crossed -none Mar 2016 #106
Dear Freinds, please don't hang your hopes on the outcome of these probes 2banon Mar 2016 #40
this ^ nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #49
Yes, I remember FitzChrismas. Was overjoyed, we thought there would be justice senz Mar 2016 #52
What a massive letdown Fitzmas was! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #84
Yes, Patrick Fitzgerald had seemed like an avenging angel senz Mar 2016 #113
And who would want this person anywhere near the WH? FFS has everyone lost onecaliberal Mar 2016 #46
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #47
Even if her actions were legal, they were grossly negligent. Arrogantly stupid decisions. JudyM Mar 2016 #48
ty 840high Mar 2016 #60
They should do it during the next debate! cui bono Mar 2016 #50
Wow. Did Fitzmas finally come on Easter? Barack_America Mar 2016 #53
The question is: Will she lie to the FBI like she has the media? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #61
Will She Be Interviewed Under Oath?.....nt global1 Mar 2016 #62
They don't use oaths. What she says may be used against her. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #63
But she can say she doesn't want to talk to them correcT? Logical Mar 2016 #67
She can plead the 5th. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #69
here she is lying about Libya: amborin Mar 2016 #68
Lies and cover up will get you. gordianot Mar 2016 #70
remember when she blamed the IG that Obama had appointed? Here: amborin Mar 2016 #73
She won't be indicted rbrnmw Mar 2016 #74
Tha is a grand statement to put forward . TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #76
Before or after the primaires? n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #75
What's come out about the CONTENTS of Clinton's private server... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #77
Thank you for this well thought out post awake Mar 2016 #87
Great post but did you consider this ... passy Mar 2016 #90
THIS should be an OP !!! John Poet Mar 2016 #102
This is "Game Over" for Clinton FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #82
Will it be 11 hours? joshcryer Mar 2016 #83
All the comments EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #85
Apparently the FBI are Right Wingers TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #92
Shall we pretend to be ignorant? Dem2 Mar 2016 #98
Do not forget that Marth Stuart went to jail not for insider stock trading but for awake Mar 2016 #88
Whatever they do, they need to wrap it up sooner than later. Vinca Mar 2016 #89
They should EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Mar 2016 #94
On MSNBC just now pinebox Mar 2016 #99
"She's toast". SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #112
Hillary should just ask herself, JEB Mar 2016 #103
Clinton insists on replacing traditional nuclear football with one of her own RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #104
I'll just leave this here. vdogg Mar 2016 #105
But why let the facts Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2016 #109
lol EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #114
HILLARY, PLEASE, PLEASE WITHDRAW... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #108
She tried to privatize the State Department to serve HERSELF. arcane1 Mar 2016 #110
How much easier was the destruction of Libya made by her actions with these polly7 Mar 2016 #111

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. WaPo major story on this today.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

Here it comes, kids.

There is no longer any possible pretense that she transmitted no classified mail.

There is no longer any pretense that she didn't know what was going on.

The fact that two major papers are into the details of the story today means there's movement. It is going to come down, and it's going to be ugly.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
22. We should take bets about how far this has to go before she finally
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

releases her hostages, er, I mean delegates. Does she really have to stay in until the bitter end?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
32. It would be the right thing for Hillary to do... which is why I don't expect that to happen.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
4. Sandy Berger, David Petraeus, ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

This is just kabuki theater, to use a hackneyed phrase.

The worst that could possibly come out of this for Clinton is a light tap on the hand.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
26. Except that Patreaus might lose a star (that is tens of thousands of dollars)
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

and Berger has not been in politics like for a good while. I hear he is a little toxic.

Agreed, there will be no prison here, (if indicted) but a plea might include having to step down from the race.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
35. No. The worst thing is that she's denied the White House and
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

is actually indicted under the felony statute Sec. 793. I agree like Berger and Petraeus, she'll never see a day in jail because she will likely be pardoned before she pleads down to the misdemeanor included charge Sec 1724.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
43. I want the Clinton Foundation exposed.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

The bulk of the nefarious activity has not been exposed yet.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
95. There was a lot of useful digging on this board into the Carlyle Group and its generosityto Bush.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:11 AM
Mar 2016

The Clinton Foundation appears to have served largely the same purpose of funneling large amounts of Saudi and other foreign funds into select American political pockets. I'd like to see what we could turn up.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
36. In an election season.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

If you want to go into an election with a nominee who's being 'lightly tapped on the hand' for improperly handling secret documents... I don't know what to tell you. Trump would leave her in shreds.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
5. I expect Hillary will be covered perfectly well with plausible deniability.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

I just hope it is wrapped up quickly enough to not be a distraction during the campaign for the general (since she is still likely to be our candidate).

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
6. Now we will hear how this is another RW conspiracy...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:48 PM
Mar 2016

How dare anybody question a democrat's ethics or impugn her highness with trivial things like laws and rules

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
28. You mean for the real Democratic Party.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016

We don't want her escapades to get in the way of Bernie's nomination. She'd be doing her former party a favor by bowing out respectfully.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
59. Agreed! No defending here
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

But from a campaign perspective this isn't the news you want on Monday and it's no good going into NY. Which is pivotal for both her and Bernie.

He supporters can scream RW machine all they want but this was Hillary's doing.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
21. Meh. If it were Sanders being interviewed by the FBI
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:08 PM
Mar 2016

we'd never hear the end of the calls for him to step aside.

autorank

(29,456 posts)
57. John Deutch
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016
John M. Deutch is another high profile political appointee who got caught mishandling secure digital information. He took information off of a mainframe/server, put it on a government computer at work, and took that computer home. The elements of HRC's escapade are there with the exception that she apparently had a tech download the information from State and move it to her private server. Deutch's problem wasn't having a government computer at home. It was having an insecure computer wiht top secret information resident at his home.

Petraeus and Deutch cases took about 1.5 years to a slap on the wrist. If HRC's slap on the wrist happens before the convention, it will be devastating. If not and there's a solid leak, it will be almost as devastating. It's a no win for her since, absent extraordinary circumstances, she violated the law.

Bigi oopsie, you're eright.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
65. You cover enough courts
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

it is an oopsie

But the major funny thing is that I was promised here that this would never, ever, like ever, get big. 4 papers so far are picking this one...

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
15. Why are you still taking in absolutes?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

This is serious stuff. It's not like she can say no I'm not gonna sit down and talk.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
14. Hillary's talking point
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

I've requested all along to have a sit down with the FBI.

That will give comfort to some of her supporters but this isn't good.

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
16. As long as they don't interview her twice, she'll be ok.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

She has trouble delivering consistent story more than once.

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
41. I'm glad I've leavened this tragedy with levity
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

No, seriously.

The tragedy is that she is so lost, she can no longer tell the difference between truth and expedience.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
80. My father always told me
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:58 AM
Mar 2016

that if you know you did wrong, take steps to prevent doing it again, you are okay.

When you start doing so much wrong that you can't even realize you did something wrong, then you are in trouble.

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
31. Exactly!!! Perception is often what counts and sways events/mindsets. Often facts become
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

irrelevant depending on the depth of the perception and how much staying power it has. For one example, the swiftboating of Kerry.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
100. And perception may be all we're gonna get. The system is rigged.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:20 AM
Mar 2016

If Clinton is indicted, it won't be because justice is being done. It will be because she's run afoul of some other major power player.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
25. This is nothing, happens all the time, all other Secretaries of State went through FBI interviews
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

It's great in fact! The FBI is trying to clear Hillary's good name!

THERE IS NO THERE THERE!!!! Republican fishing ... this is bad.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
51. It's great in fact! The FBI is trying to clear Hillary's good name!
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016


Wait............



.......Hillary has a good name?!

When did that happen?!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
45. If that is the case, we will have another Watergate.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

Because either James Comey will resign, or straight arrow FBI officials will begin to leak.

Obama will lose his legacy.

Not good.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
55. Began to leak already
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

to the NY Post, but that is not a link I dare post on DU, due to the nature of the source. You know what I mean

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
71. FBI agents have said if she is not indicted they will resign
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

I have not heard Comey say that, but many think it will happen if she is not indicted. That is why I think a deal will be negotiated.

BUT I have no idea what the damages have been, and I don't think if one is on the outside looking in, there is no way to guess without that info what is going to happen. In some cases, it might have been catastrophic. But I personally do not know at this point. And those who do are not talking publicly.

Sam

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
30. "...or negligently discussed classified government secrets over a non-secure email system when she
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

served as secretary of State."


"...or negligently discussed classified government secrets..."


I regret to say this may be the beginning of the end.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
33. If There is a Criminal Referral
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

warranted (there might be) I hope Comey stands up to the enormous pressure that will be brought down upon him to drop it. If there are no illegalities found I hope he will provide all the documentation necessary to clear people. However it ends there is no doubt in my mind that Sec. Clinton exercised terrible judgement on this and that alone should be cause for worry.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
34. Los Angeles Times is just another Right Wing Rag.. I don't think we're allowed to link to here
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016


all kidding aside, I think we're all in agreement with regard to the establishment print media is pretty much all belonging to the same club: the Korporate Party,

n'est-ce pas, mon ami?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
37. There are several ways she could reply
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

"Everyone else before me has done it"

"The State Department is at fault, because
they did not tell me it was wrong."

"This is a RW conspiracy, and I am ashamed
that the FBI participates in something that bad."

"no damage was done, I admitted to a mistake,
what more do you want?"

She will NOT be indicted, just get a little slap
on her hands, comes out and tell the world:

" I told you there was nothing to worry about."

matt819

(10,749 posts)
39. This email fiasco
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

Is just taking too fucking long. Look, I hope they nail Hilary, but it's a travesty that this whole process is taking so long. Either indirect don't. But do it soon

-none

(1,884 posts)
106. Because someone is going through everything, letter by letter and making sure every "t" is crossed
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:00 PM
Mar 2016
and every 'i' is dotted.
And every sentence starts with a capital letter and ends with a ".".
It will be iron clad, with no gaps between the rivets to escape through.
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
40. Dear Freinds, please don't hang your hopes on the outcome of these probes
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016

I remember too well the FitzChrismas, that at the end of the day, actually a period of at least a year, if memory serves, we thought Dick Cheney and Karl Rove was definitely going to be indicted and facing criminal prosecutions, but it did not regardless of the evidence at hand.

And then remember Christie Gate?

nada ding - nada dang thing happened.. lots of wasted hope and energy for justice to be served.

As a rule, it just doesn't happen to people in position of power. The better connected they are, the more likely they escape justice no matter the crime.

So, I suggest, keep apprised of the facts as it's slowly delivered, but let's not let out campaign hopes for Bernie hang on this, cuz it's just not going to get us there.

I love you all, stay strong..



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
52. Yes, I remember FitzChrismas. Was overjoyed, we thought there would be justice
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

everything would be set right, the country would be good again.

On and on and on.

But ... something's got to give ...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
113. Yes, Patrick Fitzgerald had seemed like an avenging angel
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:18 PM
Mar 2016

who would hold the Bush administration accountable, and so many of us were overjoyed. But he was undermined by powerful forces. Not exactly a hopeful outcome.

JudyM

(29,206 posts)
48. Even if her actions were legal, they were grossly negligent. Arrogantly stupid decisions.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

Dereliction of the most basic duty to ensure the confidentiality of a stream of documents that would have been easily foreseeable to be highly sensitive re: international relations, if not national security.

Look at it this way:
If she were, instead, a contractor working for the Secretary of State, wouldn't a *material* element of her contract have been ensuring a high level of security? Yet her server was an off the shelf model, no encryption or anything of the sort -- are you kidding me?!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
61. The question is: Will she lie to the FBI like she has the media?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

Her default reaction is to lie, but it sounds like the FBI has already crossed their Ts and dotted their Is. Does she plead the 5th? We know she won't tell the truth. What we do know is that whatever happens it will be leaked.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
69. She can plead the 5th.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016

But it won't help. The FBI is doing their homework, they'll already know the truthfull answers to the questions they're asking. If she cooperates things will go easier for her. But cooperating with an investigation is not the Clinton way.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
68. here she is lying about Libya:
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:28 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511468802

during the hearings.....will she lie to the FBI, too?

news the other day about a recently released email showed she had apparently lied under oath
about when she started using the private server

aren't the statements in the last paragraph, from WAPO, grounds for a felony conviction?

gordianot

(15,234 posts)
70. Lies and cover up will get you.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

Even if it is a misdemeanor she is no longer the Secretary of State.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
73. remember when she blamed the IG that Obama had appointed? Here:
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:58 AM
Mar 2016
(CNN) -- A letter leaked this week disclosing that intelligence agencies found classified information in former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails has the Clinton campaign aiming its ire at a relatively unknown government investigator.

A Clinton campaign spokesman alleged I. Charles McCullough III, the inspector general for intelligence agencies, was intentionally leaking seemingly damaging information in collusion with Senate Republicans.

But McCullough is hardly an obvious target for that accusation. An Obama appointee, he was approved in the position back in 2011 with unanimous consent by a majority-Democratic Senate.

http://www.wibc.com/news/national/hillary-clinton-inspector-general-leaking-info-help-republicans

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
76. Tha is a grand statement to put forward .
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:49 AM
Mar 2016

Especially when that individual has no access to the relevant charges and documentation . I thought the HC camp said this wouldn't even get to this stage so excuse me if I disregard this piece of guesswork , that is already out of date .

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
77. What's come out about the CONTENTS of Clinton's private server...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:12 AM
Mar 2016

...and not the private server itself, is likely the focus of this FBI investigation. And it is so bad--Clinton okaying arms deals with 20 countries that gave big bucks to the Clinton Foundation--it would be enough to drive any candidate for any public office--let alone president of the U.S.--out of the campaign in utter disgrace, in a normal democracy.

Not sure this can be called a normal democracy any more. I mean, look what happened to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld, et al, for slaughtering a hundred thousand innocent people and stealing billions from government coffers. Nada, Nada, and Nada, et al.

I just don't think the FBI would have 150 agents on a matter that was only about classification errors or potential security/spying risks.

HOWEVER, the question in my mind is this: Is this FBI investigation for real? (If it is, she is in big trouble, in my opinion.) Or is this FBI investigation in truth an effort to protect Clinton from the nutball Right in Congress? And maybe this: Both--that is, the FBI, the AG and maybe Obama and Obama's advisers are divided about it--some want to prosecute, some don't.

A reason for NOT prosecuting (if the evidence warrants an indictment) would be to protect Obama's legacy from ending on a big scandal--and possibly the political motive of not wanting such a serious reformer as Bernie Sanders in the White House. (Remember Obama is pro-TPP and oversaw the Bailout.)

There may be another factor in this complex equation: I suspect that Obama is very ticked off at Clinton for several reasons. One of them was her early sabotage of Obama's intention to improve relations with Latin America. The Honduran coup (June '09--only six months into his first term, with Clinton as Sec of State) stopped those efforts cold. All of LatAm was outraged and everybody knew of the U.S. complicity. (I was following those events closely at the time. The near universal reaction in LatAm was "same old, same old USA--overthrowing our governments&quot . It has taken him SEVEN YEARS to overcome that Clinton disaster--with his recent visit to Cuba and Obama/Kerry's support for the Colombia/FARC peace talks.

Another reason for Obama anger at Clinton, recently come to light via the email disclosures, is her use of Sydney Blumenthal as a State Dept. advisor. Obama had stated explicitly that he did NOT want Blumenthal in the State Dept. She sneaked around this Obama order by hiring Blumenthal for big bucks at the Clinton Foundation and then using her private server to communicate with him about foreign policy including Libya. And that is the third reason for likely Obama anger at Clinton. Her advice about overthrowing Gaddaffi was wrong and ill thought out, and has resulted in a huge disaster in Libya, Syria and Iraq (vacuums of power into which IS has moved). ('Ill thought out' unless it was coming from Robert (PNAC) Kagan and Henry Kissinger in which case the GOAL was to destabilize the ME, as prep for more all out war.)

(And I believe Obama and Clinton also differed about Iran--she a hawk; he wanting to give peace a chance. He won that argument after she left the State Dept. I may be underestimating the continuity of U.S. foreign policy on this--i.e., a bad cop/good cop U.S.strategy. But in view of the other Clinton disasters and Clinton/Obama disagreements, these could possibly include strategy on Iran.)

If I'm right about Obama anger at Clinton, then maybe he WON'T intervene to save her from an indictment (if the FBI recommends it). It's hard to guess about these matters, since the investigation, of course, is behind the scenes (and has top secret issues involved), and since Obama is a hard man to read. (It took me years to come to the 99% conclusion that Honduras had been Clinton's doing, not Obama's, and I'm still not entirely sure.)

Clinton's not hard to read, though--in my opinion, anyway. I think she was amassing money for buying endorsements and delegates by using her position as Sec of State to gather in large donations from countries with deals pending before the State Dept. The Clinton Foundation is not a "charity," in my view. It is a money machine for buying the presidency.

If any Clinton supporter is genuinely interested in WHY many of us Sanders supporters are so disgusted with Clinton and so passionate about putting a CLEAN president in the White House, they will give this matter some study. We are NOT rightwing nutballs. We don't care about "Benghazi, Benghazi," or Monica, or Whitewater or any of that lunacy. We loathe that lunacy. THIS is NOT lunacy. We do not want this REAL corruption in our party or in the White House. And we are very worried, indeed, about Clinton's close connection to Kagan and Kissinger.

passy

(853 posts)
90. Great post but did you consider this ...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

A presidential pardon. Obama is bound to find out quickly what the FBI has on her and could consider issuing a presidential pardon or commutation just before he leaves office. Of course this would mean the case will have to be processed rather quickly but it's not impossible. It would ressemble Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence.
This would no doubt hurt Obama's legacy amongst some Democrats but for repubs it wouldn't make a difference as they already see him as a foreigner and a traitor anyway.
As you mention Blumenthal I am reminded of the article about his e-mails to her about the situation in Sudan, information that clearly appears to be highly confidential or top-secret and coming directly from the NSA, information that surely should not be sent through a personal server. How Blumenthal got hold of that information is surely part of the FBI case.
What is going to be interesting is to see how this all ties up with the Clinton Foundation. In which way did hers or Blumenthal's access help the Clintons in their dealings with donors worldwide, how much secret info did they have when talking to politicians, presidents or business leaders?

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
82. This is "Game Over" for Clinton
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:53 AM
Mar 2016

Even a "Slap on the Wrist" means she can no longer hold a Security clearance.

Can you imagine the field day Trump would have - 24-7 "Why elect a President who doesn't have the clearance to read the Daily Presidential Briefing"

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
85. All the comments
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:48 AM
Mar 2016

On the politico and Hill story related to this are basically people saying this is Benghazi redux ie another fake politically driven scandal. I guess no one told the FBI.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
98. Shall we pretend to be ignorant?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:36 AM
Mar 2016

It's called due diligence, they have to make it look thorough least it be called a political whitewash. Yes, I realize the extremes on the left and right will call it that anyway, but you can't please everybody.

awake

(3,226 posts)
88. Do not forget that Marth Stuart went to jail not for insider stock trading but for
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:56 AM
Mar 2016

Lying to the FBI and it did not take years. I think the FBI already knows the facts and if Hillary try's to mislead them then the hammer will come down hard and fast.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
89. Whatever they do, they need to wrap it up sooner than later.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 07:58 AM
Mar 2016

If we go into the general election with this over our heads we're cooked.

Response to EdwardBernays (Original post)

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
99. On MSNBC just now
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:03 AM
Mar 2016

They just tied Bernie's wins over the weekend to Hillary emails and how interviews are beginning along with how she ignored security warnings on her Blackberry consistently.

Here we go. Now they are tying it all together.

She's toast.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
105. I'll just leave this here.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

Since Sanders supporters are too busy salivating to actually read the damn story.

Many legal experts believe that Clinton faces little risk of being prosecuted for using the private email system to conduct official business when she served as secretary of State, though that decision has raised questions among some about her judgment. They noted that using a private email system was not banned at the time, and others in government had used personal email to transact official business.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
114. lol
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016

I love the bit you didn't bold... very typical Clintonite...

In addition to that, the private server is one thing, stupid as it was, but endlessly using a blackberry, after beng told repeatedly that it was a security risk... not using proper security for months on your server, thinking that you know best when it comes to classification, and trying to subvert it because you're impatient... these aren't the hallmarks of a competent person, much less a good leader, much less a President... and the fact that her best defence is to try and make it out like it's all a big right-wing smear... ugh... it's so arrogant and absurd... take some personal responsibility... but look, this is someone that had no problem lying to Obama's face about being "transparent" with her Foundation's donor list... I don't expect much.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
108. HILLARY, PLEASE, PLEASE WITHDRAW...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

...BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF, AND START THINKING ABOUT THE NATION!!!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
110. She tried to privatize the State Department to serve HERSELF.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

NOT what I want in a so-called "leader". This isn't some banana republic. Not yet, anyway.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
111. How much easier was the destruction of Libya made by her actions with these
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

private emails to and from Blumenthal against Obama's wishes? She pushed Obama on Libya - did his reluctance drive her to resorting to secrecy? She needs to answer for all of this shit - hundreds of thousands of human beings are having their lives destroyed.

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